We annotated Texas’ near-total abortion ban. Here’s what the law says about enforcement.

Paradox.79 · Sep 13, 2021

We annotated Texas’ near-total abortion ban. Here’s what the law says about enforcement.

The law will be carried out by civilians “deputized” to do what the state cannot: enforce its new restrictive abortion law. Here’s where the process is laid out in the statute and what it means.
Texas’ new abortion law — which bans abortions at about six weeks from the patient’s last menstrual period — rests on the actions of private citizens to enforce the law, rather than the government.

While abortion patients themselves can’t be sued under the new law, anyone who performs or aids with the abortion can be sued — and by almost anyone. Legal experts interviewed by The Texas Tribune have said the law dramatically expands the concept of a civil lawsuit and is aimed at keeping providers from using the constitutional right to an abortion under Roe v. Wade as a legal defense.

Paradox.79 · Sep 13, 2021

This country is a hoot. Religion and Politics are supposed to be separated but many times it is not. You can be a pro choice and be a Christian. Many are, and the reason there pro choice is because a victim of rape needs to have that option. Pro Choice Christians are not talking late term abortions. A fetus starts feeling pain and having consciousness around 28 weeks so after that point, medical reasons only. But the fact is the great majority of abortions happen in the first 2-4 months. At that point the fetus is not suffering or has consciousness because that part of the brain has not formed yet. These laws accomplish nothing, if you can afford it you will go to a state that its is legal. If you can not woman go to back ally abortions. Or they will just grow the plants that abort naturally. The point is laws that over restrict make it more dangerous.

spiritfilledjm · Sep 13, 2021

Life is life. Whether it be 5 seconds after conception or 5 years old. What the child feels is irrelevant. Terminating life, more often than not for the convenience of not having to carry a child for 9 months and not interfere with one's life, is wrong, completely, both biblically and morally.

Lifelong_sinner · Sep 13, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
You can be a pro choice and be a Christian.

WRONG!! You cannot.

Paradox.79 · Sep 13, 2021

spiritfilledjm said:
Life is life. Whether it be 5 seconds after conception or 5 years old. What the child feels is irrelevant. Terminating life, more often than not for the convenience of not having to carry a child for 9 months and not interfere with one's life, is wrong, completely, both biblically and morally.

No it is not biblically...there is not a line in the bible that speaks of it. And there is more than one line in the bible were the killing of children is acceptable. God told the Jews to kill every man woman and child more than once in the old testament. Oh wait they were allowed to keep young virgins. We know what was done to them. And no one is talking about convenience. Were talking the college girl who is gang raped by a bunch of guys at a party. Sadly that has been regular occurrence for decades. Or the woman who for medical reasons which is often enough...I know dozens of cases were the abortion was not about convivence. Woman still die from childbirth...it is a dangerous part of life, there side effects that are dangerous. Some woman have medical problems that require medication that are dangerous to fetus's causing death and horrible side effects. I have actually never heard of woman saying I do not want to be a parent and having an abortion for no reason. That is the problem, Christians treat all abortion as convivence. The Christian based laws (religion and politics are supposed to be separate in this country) that are made rarely consider the woman situation. Here is one for you...a girl is raped...Christians want her to carry to term. Which Christian is going to pay for the medical bills, the mental health bills, the bills if she has complications, the depressions that happens after birth that some woman have, the counseling for her rape...oh and wait she might die in birth, woman still die form child birth. KNOW ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MEDICALLY TELL SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL THEM!!!!!

Paradox.79 · Sep 13, 2021

Lifelong_sinner said:
WRONG!! You cannot.

Yes you can, there is no line in bible about abortion. The bible actually does not acknowledge a fetus being alive till its born. Some do not believe the fetus is alive till it is born. Others like myself would have a problem with abortion as a convivence but a victim of rape or person who has medical problem deserves that option. I know woman who had cancer and to chose between abortion, chemo the would kill it anyways, or carry to term die from cancer, maybe the baby survives.

People still die from child birth...that is the biggest reason woman have to chose. Know one is talking about late term abortion most doctors will not do it unless medically required. You can not make a religious based law forcing a woman to do something that can kill here. It is not as often anymore...BUT WOMEN STILL DIE FROM IT!!! And if your Christian view require a rape victim to carry a fetus to term, you need to pay for it. The rape victims medical bills, counseling...if she has complications you need to pay for those. If she dies which is a possibility you need to pay for that Childs upbringing.

That is the kicker you want to force a rape victim or some with medical problems to carry a child to term but not one of you want to pay for it.

Lifelong_sinner · Sep 13, 2021

You cannot be a christian AND pro choice. Why?? Because it is to practice sin. The Bible speaks about practicing sin, aka living a lifestyle of sin. This is why homosexuals arent saved if they are living that lifestyle.
To live daily thinking that abortions are ok is practicing sin. We are to love what God loves, and hate what God hates. Jesus spoke about children, you dont harm a child, even unborn ones, ever!!

Paradox.79 · Sep 13, 2021

Lifelong_sinner said:
You cannot be a christian AND pro choice. Why?? Because it is to practice sin. The Bible speaks about practicing sin, aka living a lifestyle of sin. This is why homosexuals arent saved if they are living that lifestyle.
To live daily thinking that abortions are ok is practicing sin. We are to love what God loves, and hate what God hates. Jesus spoke about children, you dont harm a child, even unborn ones, ever!!

So a person with cancer should carry to term. The chemo will kill it, if the woman skips chemo she will die. Or the victim of a rape...pregnancy has alot side effects some dangerous and some fatal. Despite all or medical knowledge today woman still die from it.

In what world do you think you or any Christians think you have the right to make a law that could kill someone.

And not all Christians believe a fetus is alive before birth. The laws and your belief on abortion are based on personal belief. Lets be real...there is know proof there is god. There is no proof other than personal beliefs and faith. Laws in this country are not supposed to be affected but religious beliefs. I am a Christian I believe in god but my Believe are not based in scientific fact. Again this is the problem with Christians and Muslims both of you think you have the right to force YOUR RELIGIOUS AND MORAL BELIEFS ON ANOTHER!!! You do not, my pastor is pro choice, she had cancer and she had already been going through chemo when she found out. That had to be her decision and she is not for abortion for convivence. But she understands there are cases were it has to be on the table. YOU CAN NOT ORDER SOMEON OR MAKE A LAW FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN KILL THEM!!!!

spiritfilledjm · Sep 13, 2021

Exodus 20:13, Matthew 18:4-7, Proverbs 6:16-19

Maria Billingsley · Sep 13, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
Yes you can, there is no line in bible about abortion. The bible actually does not acknowledge a fetus being alive till its born. Some do not believe the fetus is alive till it is born. Others like myself would have a problem with abortion as a convivence but a victim of rape or person who has medical problem deserves that option. I know woman who had cancer and to chose between abortion, chemo the would kill it anyways, or carry to term die from cancer, maybe the baby survives.

People still die from child birth...that is the biggest reason woman have to chose. Know one is talking about late term abortion most doctors will not do it unless medically required. You can not make a religious based law forcing a woman to do something that can kill here. It is not as often anymore...BUT WOMEN STILL DIE FROM IT!!! And if your Christian view require a rape victim to carry a fetus to term, you need to pay for it. The rape victims medical bills, counseling...if she has complications you need to pay for those. If she dies which is a possibility you need to pay for that Childs upbringing.

That is the kicker you want to force a rape victim or some with medical problems to carry a child to term but not one of you want to pay for it.

There may not be anything in scripture about abortion however there is scripture acknowledging a created being by God. God can and does sanctify the unborn.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

SkyWriting · Sep 13, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
Religion and Politics are supposed to be separated but many times it is not.

The "wall of separation" limits the governments ability to restrict religion.
There are no laws that limit how religious people act in government positions.

Paradox.79 · Sep 14, 2021

SkyWriting said:
The "wall of separation" limits the governments ability to restrict religion.
There are no laws that limit how religious people act in government positions.

Yes but abortion laws are not based on man's law there based on religious beliefs. I got a friend who is a Christian she does not believe a fetus is a human being till it has consciousness. Before that it is a parasite in her mind and she truly believes this. Basically about 28 weeks in to the pregnancy is when the part of the brain that has consciousness and feels pain start to form. My personal beliefs aside are just that my personal beliefs. My biggest problem with Christianity is the belief that they have the right to enforce there religious and moral beliefs onto another. Muslims do it as well. There hundreds of religions, and cultures, and beliefs. For the Native American stealing or raiding an enemy tribe was not wrong. Stealing from your tribe was one of the worst crimes. I do believe a fetus is a human being. But I do not believe anyone has the right to force victim of rape to carry to term. The reason for pro choice is pregnancy is dangerous and even today while rare is still fatal. You can not force someone to do something that can kill them. There is a huge list of side effects to pregnancy some of which can kill you. Abortion has touched my family and rape as well. So when I here someone try to force there religious beliefs onto another especially on one who was a victim of one of the worst crimes possible I get infuriated. There was a story here in the states of an 11 year old rape incest victim who got pregnant and Christians were insisting she had to carry to term. A sad truth is Christianity is almost as hated as Islam. Every year more and more people turn away from religion, because of case like this.

Hvizsgyak · Sep 14, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
This country is a hoot. Religion and Politics are supposed to be separated but many times it is not. You can be a pro choice and be a Christian. Many are, and the reason there pro choice is because a victim of rape needs to have that option. Pro Choice Christians are not talking late term abortions. A fetus starts feeling pain and having consciousness around 28 weeks so after that point, medical reasons only. But the fact is the great majority of abortions happen in the first 2-4 months. At that point the fetus is not suffering or has consciousness because that part of the brain has not formed yet. These laws accomplish nothing, if you can afford it you will go to a state that its is legal. If you can not woman go to back ally abortions. Or they will just grow the plants that abort naturally. The point is laws that over restrict make it more dangerous.

Less than 5% of the abortions performed in America are due to rape, incest or health of the mother. Lets be serious about the abortions from the other 95%. If the Democrats would handle the situation better for the 95% then Texas wouldn't have to make the laws that they do. I'm so tired of hearing about the cases of rape, incest or health of the mother. Congress can deal with those cases individually. Focus on the 95% who have abortion because "its not the right time", "its a girl, I wanted a boy", "my career", "I have three kids already"... Abortion should not be used as a form of contraception. Can we agree on that principle?

Hvizsgyak · Sep 14, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
No it is not biblically...there is not a line in the bible that speaks of it. And there is more than one line in the bible were the killing of children is acceptable. God told the Jews to kill every man woman and child more than once in the old testament. Oh wait they were allowed to keep young virgins. We know what was done to them. And no one is talking about convenience. Were talking the college girl who is gang raped by a bunch of guys at a party. Sadly that has been regular occurrence for decades. Or the woman who for medical reasons which is often enough...I know dozens of cases were the abortion was not about convivence. Woman still die from childbirth...it is a dangerous part of life, there side effects that are dangerous. Some woman have medical problems that require medication that are dangerous to fetus's causing death and horrible side effects. I have actually never heard of woman saying I do not want to be a parent and having an abortion for no reason. That is the problem, Christians treat all abortion as convivence. The Christian based laws (religion and politics are supposed to be separate in this country) that are made rarely consider the woman situation. Here is one for you...a girl is raped...Christians want her to carry to term. Which Christian is going to pay for the medical bills, the mental health bills, the bills if she has complications, the depressions that happens after birth that some woman have, the counseling for her rape...oh and wait she might die in birth, woman still die form child birth. KNOW ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MEDICALLY TELL SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL THEM!!!!!

That's the Old Testament. Read the 4 Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and the letters of Paul, John, Peter and James. That what Christians follow.

Jonathan1303 · Sep 14, 2021

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Jonathan1303 · Sep 14, 2021

there is more at risk here, not only the fetus, but also the mother´s life. If you want to die for your unborn child, ok, that´s fine, but i would my friends and family members to decide on their own

grasping the after wind · Sep 14, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
So a person with cancer should carry to term. The chemo will kill it, if the woman skips chemo she will die. Or the victim of a rape...pregnancy has alot side effects some dangerous and some fatal. Despite all or medical knowledge today woman still die from it.

In what world do you think you or any Christians think you have the right to make a law that could kill someone.

And not all Christians believe a fetus is alive before birth. The laws and your belief on abortion are based on personal belief. Lets be real...there is know proof there is god. There is no proof other than personal beliefs and faith. Laws in this country are not supposed to be affected but religious beliefs. I am a Christian I believe in god but my Believe are not based in scientific fact. Again this is the problem with Christians and Muslims both of you think you have the right to force YOUR RELIGIOUS AND MORAL BELIEFS ON ANOTHER!!! You do not, my pastor is pro choice, she had cancer and she had already been going through chemo when she found out. That had to be her decision and she is not for abortion for convivence. But she understands there are cases were it has to be on the table. YOU CAN NOT ORDER SOMEON OR MAKE A LAW FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN KILL THEM!!!!

There is no law that does not force someone's moral beliefs upon those that disagree with those beliefs. It is not unique to either Christians of Muslims. BTW Anyone who doesn't believe a fetus is alive is a science denier. What constitutes being alive has been very well defined by the scientific community and a fetus qualifies. Belief in science is also a belief. Science is a very useful tool for understanding the physical universe it is not qualified nor was it ever intended to be a moral compass. Science deals with objective facts about what exists in the physical universe. Morality deals with subjective value judgements about what is right and wrong. If one is looking to science to tell one what is morally upright or morally repugnant one is going to be disappointed as science will refuse to tell you. Individual scientist will have opinions but science doesn't have any way to define the concepts of morally good or morally bad.

You mention some rare cases where abortion is supposedly necessary. Let's just grant that such necessity may exist though we do not know how many of those cases exist in which early delivery would be a satisfactory solution in place of abortion . Even if it were zero number where early delivery would be satisfactory, is it a reasonable argument to say that because there are some cases where abortion is a necessary thing, that abortion should be completely available to everyone without any conditions attached because of those rare cases?

SkyWriting · Sep 14, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
There may not be anything in scripture about abortion however there is scripture acknowledging a created being by God. God can and does sanctify the unborn.”

The unborn are also rapists, serial killers and pedophile priests. I have a number of cousins that were stillborn. If they had halos on their heads they wouldn't make it out of the womb.

I don't think scripture identifies anything not having been created by God.

JimR-OCDS · Sep 15, 2021

The law in Texas is bad because it makes citizens who are not involved with the
cases, to sue the doctors who are.

If I were a obstetrician, Texas would be the last place I'd want to work.

I'm pro-life, but this isn't the way to end abortion.

The SCOTUS merely let the law stand as there wasn't anyone suing or using the
law for them to rule on. They were following the law by not standing on it.

When it does come to the court, the justices will most likely throw the law out.

JulieB67 · Sep 18, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
The bible actually does not acknowledge a fetus being alive till its born

As a Christian, I personally hate the word "fetus"

Luke 1:41 "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:"

Luke 1:44 "For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."

If that's not being alive I don't know what is.

John the Baptist already could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit while still in his mother's womb.

And it's God that actually creates our spirits that go into our flesh bodies.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

ETA and the word for babe is Greek word 1025 brephos- an infant (prop unborn) lit or fig -babe (young) child, infant. And it is the same word used in this verse to describe Jesus, there is not a difference between the babe that is in the womb and a babe that is born,

Luke 2:12 "And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the Babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger."

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