Teacher Resigns After Parent Complains Pride Flag Is "Personal Agenda"

PloverWing · Sep 12, 2021

muichimotsu said:
It's Missouri, not shocking that they don't have any non discrimination statute for sexual orientation, since the entire former Confederate states ALSO don't have any.

Mostly, you're correct here, but I want to point out an exception: As of 2020, Virginia prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.

(Sources: Virginia Archives - Freedom for All Americans , Governor Northam Signs Virginia Values Act , LIS > Bill Tracking > SB868 > 2020 session )

I grew up in Virginia, and I still love the state. Much has changed there in the last half-century since I was a child.

zippy2006 · Sep 12, 2021

muichimotsu said:
I'm willing to admit I could be wrong, the problem is the arguments presented are either trying to treat everything equally in a way that diminishes any nuance of the symbols and render even an expression of support as somehow political or claims that a rainbow flag is on the level of a Nazi flag. Either way, extreme solutions and exaggerating the problem so that they don't have to address the underlying aspects.

Posts like #26 and #28 are not talking about Nazi flags.

Presumably one has to give an argument that makes recourse to a principle which does not presuppose the truth or falsity of the controversial LGBT issue at stake. I haven't really seen you do that, although I haven't read all of the posts in the thread.

The rainbow flag symbolizes the legitimacy of certain sexual orientations, and in places where this legitimacy is controversial public schools should not be indoctrinating in its favor. And yes, a teacher flying such a flag is a form of indoctrination.

zippy2006 · Sep 12, 2021

hedrick said:
You have to treat people equally. If you are going to ban the teacher from mentioning that he is gay, you have to ban teachers from saying anything about or showing pictures of opposite-gender partners.

"If homosexuality cannot be promoted then sexual biology cannot be taught." The absurdity is too hard to hide.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

zippy2006 said:
Posts like #26 and #28 are not talking about Nazi flags.

Presumably one has to give an argument that makes recourse to a principle which does not presuppose the truth or falsity of the controversial LGBT issue at stake. I haven't really seen you do that, although I haven't read all of the posts in the thread.

The rainbow flag symbolizes the legitimacy of certain sexual orientations, and in places where this legitimacy is controversial public schools should not be indoctrinating in its favor. And yes, a teacher flying such a flag is a form of indoctrination.

Isn't the removal of the flag and the forcing of the teacher's resignation an indoctrination for certain hate groups?

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

zippy2006 said:
"If homosexuality cannot be promoted then sexual biology cannot be taught." The absurdity is too hard to hide.

Not that long ago this same sort of 'logic' was employed to keep black teachers out of white schools.

zippy2006 · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
Isn't the removal of the flag and the forcing of the teacher's resignation an indoctrination for certain hate groups?

Well, no matter which version of the story we adhere to, no one forced the teacher to resign.

Is removal of the rainbow flag indoctrination? No, because the principle/policy is that such symbols are not allowed in the classroom on the basis of indoctrination. It should never have been there in the first place. Removing it is just adhering to the principle, not indoctrinating students.

SilverBear said:
Not that long ago this same sort of 'logic' was employed to keep black teachers out of white schools.

No, I think you're wrong. Feel free to try to support that claim.

(It just so happens that whites and blacks can successfully breed)

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Schools don't exist for the purpose of protecting children's feelings.

If a child is distraught by the lack of a flag....the teacher should point out how ridiculous it would be for teachers to have to put up flags for every whiny child. If that doesn't work, tell the child's parents to get them a therapist.

and if it is whiny bigoted parents that are distraught by the presence of a flag?

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

zippy2006 said:
Well, no matter which version of the story we adhere to, no one forced the teacher to resign.

Is removal of the rainbow flag indoctrination? No, because the principle/policy is that such symbols are not allowed in the classroom on the basis of indoctrination. It should never have been there in the first place. Removing it is just adhering to the principle, not indoctrinating students.

indoctrinated into what?

Are you suggesting that the mere sight of a rainbow flag could turn people gay????

No, I think you're wrong. Feel free to try to support that claim.

(It just so happens that whites and blacks can successfully breed)

Can you clarify this breeding statement?

zippy2006 · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
indoctrinated into what?

Into what the symbol symbolizes, explained in post #102. Reading posts is a great idea when you are engaging on a discussion forum.

Can you clarify this breeding statement?

Try a dictionary. It's not hard.

Ana the Ist · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
and if it is whiny bigoted parents that are distraught by the presence of a flag?

If I had my way....no flags would be removed.

However, the left started a movement to remove symbols like flags because they offend people.

Complain to the people who started this garbage. They thought it was a good idea...and when they started arguing that flags should be taken down, people told them that could apply to any symbols and they might find one they like being removed next.

Sadly, they're too short sighted and ignorant to understand these things. Look at the upside though, at least it's just flags and not something like freedom of speech.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Wrong.

Actually Missouri's safe school act of 2001 does address student perceptions of personal safety and requires schools to address student concerns about their personal safety at school.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

zippy2006 said:
Into what the symbol symbolizes, explained in post #102. Reading posts is a great idea when you are engaging on a discussion forum.

it doesn't explain anything. Try again

Try a dictionary. It's not hard.

i know what the individual words mean, you will note i didn't ask about any word definitions. I was asking you meant by posting such an inane and potentially bigoted remark in your post.

Ana the Ist · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
Actually Missouri's safe school act of 2001 does address student perceptions of personal safety and requires schools to address student concerns about their personal safety at school.

I mentioned how it can be addressed in that post.

zippy2006 · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
I was asking you meant by posting such an inane and potentially bigoted remark in your post.

Saying that an interracial couple can produce offspring is bigoted?

I think you're confused about what is being said, as your responses don't make a lick of sense. Again, my advice is to start reading posts before you respond to them.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
If I had my way....no flags would be removed.

However, the left started a movement to remove symbols like flags because they offend people.

Complain to the people who started this garbage. They thought it was a good idea...and when they started arguing that flags should be taken down, people told them that could apply to any symbols and they might find one they like being removed next.

Sadly, they're too short sighted and ignorant to understand these things. Look at the upside though, at least it's just flags and not something like freedom of speech.

But its the right demanding the removal of a symbol because they find it offensive for some reason.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I mentioned how it can be addressed in that post.

You indicated that it was not the job of the school to see to student safety. Even though in Missouri it is actually the job of the school to do just that.
you are suggesting that a minority student who doesn't feel safe in the school form say potential bullying be sent to a therapist because obviously there is something wrong with the student.

SilverBear · Sep 12, 2021

zippy2006 said:
Saying that an interracial couple can produce offspring is bigoted?

I think you're confused about what is being said, as your responses don't make a lick of sense. Again, my advice is to start reading posts before you respond to them.

i posted that "Not that long ago this same sort of 'logic' was employed to keep black teachers out of white schools."
Somehow you warped that statement about segregation into a nonsequitur breeding but i'm the one not making sense. Right.

Meanwhile i can't help but notice you have run away from my question: "Are you suggesting that the mere sight of a rainbow flag could turn people gay????"

Ana the Ist · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
But its the right demanding the removal of a symbol because they find it offensive for some reason.

Is it? I just heard a parent complained. Do we have their voting record or something?

The problem is that now....because of a bunch of people saying that "offensive flags" should be removed and doing little protests over flags....schools are just going to remove flags when the complaint gets made.

If you think that sounds stupid....I agree completely, and I said as much when it was the Confederate flag.

This is what the left wanted. They made this bed....now they gotta sleep in it.

Ana the Ist · Sep 12, 2021

SilverBear said:
You indicated that it was not the job of the school to see to student safety.

No...I believe I said it's not the job of the school to protect student feelings.

That's wildly different from physical safety.

tall73 · Sep 12, 2021

muichimotsu said:
So the school wants to just be "neutral" about acknowledging and supporting LGBTQ students?

You asked for a Missouri document describing the legal situation and I provided it.

And yes, apparently the school wants to be neutral in regards to all sexual orientations. Sexual orientation pride is not the subject matter of his class.

Would you be fine with a banner indicating objectum sexual pride? Would you be fine with a banner promoting heterosexual pride?

There is no need to put pride flags for any sexual orientation.

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