Teacher Resigns After Parent Complains Pride Flag Is "Personal Agenda"

Freth said:

I'd post a video of a gay pride parade, but it's not fit to be posted on this forum. There is no defense for that sort of behavior, no matter how you try to sugar coat it.

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Children are not forced there and you don't get to decide what is in their best interests arbitrarily or with ignorance that assumes the children are going to be traumatized somehow. Sex negative, bigoted against sexual and gender minorities, virtue signaling, tone policing, the list goes on of how you keep digging a hole with this moralizing tripe.

You'd likely also flip your wig if a drag queen read to children, as if that's going to "indoctrinate" children. Except it really doesn't, drag queens are not sexual, much as you very likely believe them to be based on cherry picking.

Ana the Ist said:

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Short memory much?

This was followed by a series of articles in left wing rags about how the left doesn't need to tolerate or respect opposition.

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And you proved my point by showing your confirmation bias, ignoring any consideration that people might not agree with that. A vocal minority does not necessarily represent the majority. And you consider yourself rational?

Ana the Ist said:

Nope.

These are symbols....whether Confederate flag or Pride flag. You don't get to decide what they mean for other people.

In removing one because it offends some....you open the door to remove the other.

You only have the left to blame here.

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And you don't get to arbitrarily act like they are equal: symbols have meanings that are more common, someone feeling otherwise doesn't invalidate the others, but they don't get to be treated as equal based on irrational and inaccurate Lost Cause of the Confederacy nonsense

It is not mere offense, it is damaging in the historical reality of what that flag represents, you can't conveniently ignore history because it doesn't suit you. And I'll be the first to admit there might be some ugly aspects of the early LGBTQ pride movement, that doesn't negate the positive contributions by the innate nature of accepting those that are sexual minorities that harm no one by merely being who they are.

But Confederacy advocates normalize slavery and marginalization of black people, that isn't comparable and the dishonesty with which you equivocate only shows how privileged you are to never have struggled as black people continue to against those who would make apologies for the Confederacy as if it was EVER good.

Except conservatives have responsibility in this as well by acting like a pride flag is even comparable to a Confederate flag in what it represents. Or are you conveniently ignoring how often that is a complaint from conservatives as relates to LGBTQ pride in any sense, even far more legitimate extracurricular groups? This isn't a left leaning only issue, this is you trying to be partisan and dishonestly ignore right wing reactionaries.

Hank77 said:

I agree that the teacher isn't teaching them "to be gay" however, I think there shouldn't be anything displayed in a classroom that can't be completely discussed with the students. If a student asks a question about something they see in class the teacher should be able to honestly explain if they can't do that, for any reason, the item shouldn't be there. A gay pride flag is such an item.

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The discussion of point was that the teacher was supportive of LGBTQ and would offer them support, but not necessarily in class when they were doing things unrelated to that. Same as my professors in college being a safe space for LGBTQ when they taught religious studies.

No, it really isn't, because this isn't like displaying a flag that creates a polarizing environment about American nationalist pride or notions about how the Confederacy was just about state rights.

A pride flag or BLM flag is advocating on behalf of a minority that is not harmful and is not suggesting that people who disagree don't matter or evangelizing on behalf of some idea that "liberals are bad and black people are overreacting". This white fragility, straight fragility, is pitiful to even hear people try to defend, because they aren't the victims here, they're making themselves victims because they don't feel like they're as important as they should be.

When LGBTQ and black people have been demonstrably marginalized, the flag's display is not controversial to voice that basic support rather than create needless boundaries as many other flags brought up explicitly do.

super animator said:

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And you apparently didn't read what I said: I didn't claim it didn't protect individual rights, I said it didn't give an ABSOLUTE right, major difference that you glossed over to claim I'm some gun control extremist.

super animator said:

You said "initially and primarily written with the intent of citizen militias" that isn't true, per SC ruling.

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So the historical context and even explicit statement in the 2nd amendment that focuses on the militia is irrelevant? The SC wasn't undermining that point, it was BALANCING it with the idea that, yes, individuals have a right to bear arms.

And I wasn't debating that part either, if you'd read my statement carefully, because the latter is not an absolute right of an individual, same as a right to speech, religious exercise, press, etc. There are reasonable limitations on all of them, so it cannot be free for all, that's anarchy

Albion said:

That is, however, what reportedly happened when the student protested about the "rainbow" flag and no pledge of allegiance.

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You mean this story barely tangentially linked?

"A high school teacher in California was removed from her classroom after a TikTok video of her joking about telling students they could pledge allegiance to the Pride flag went viral and angered parents and the conservative internet at large"

Because someone can't tell a joke and has to get all huffy when someone insults their little nationalist sentiments? Show that the school has anything like a pledge of allegiance before class and maybe we could talk about it, but this is someone making a mountain of a molehill

Ana the Ist said:

It's not arbitrary....they are equal.

One is a flag, the other is a flag.

Anything beyond that is subjective.

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So nothing has meaning now because you want to equivocate? Good to know you're so "objective" when it suits you and then no symbols have any kind of consistent meaning alongside variable ones. It's not either/or, you want to keep splitting, it just ends up showing confirmation bias on your part or, even more dishonest, both-sides-ing, as if the pride flag is regarded with the same notions as the modern revival of the Confederate flag in direct response to the black civil rights movement

So the American flag as we associate it is purely a subjective thing and someone else and just say it means something else? That's how your logic sounds in applying it to symbols and flags. Maybe want to rephrase that so it doesn't sound like you're going full relativist

tall73 said:

The document dealt primarily with national level guidelines.

But here is similar content for Missouri educators from The Missouri State Teachers Association:

Free Speech Update

A relevant quote:

School districts have the authority to control course content and teaching methods. You are generally considered to speak for the school district when you are in your classroom. Therefore, your speech in the classroom does not have First Amendment protection. Political speech in the classroom should be limited to courses where politics and current events are part of the curriculum. In general, you should exercise caution not to appear as advocating a particular religious or political view in the classroom. “Speech” also applies to classroom decoration, posters or displays.

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So the school wants to just be "neutral" about acknowledging and supporting LGBTQ students? The problem therein is where students don't feel protected, accepted, or safe and the school is supposed to be concerned about their welfare.

It'd be little different if they just say, "Oh we want to protect black students, but BLM is 'controversial', so we'll just remove virtually any sense of acceptance and just leave them to the dogs," as if a free market solves all problems versus needing executive actions from an authority, like in the case of applying a policy with some nuance instead of zero tolerance, which can lead to the kind of legalistic tripe that harms students more than helps them

But when they pick and choose with regards to something people make political in a divisive sense rather than it being reflective of a political issue incidentally (as in it isn't a partisan thing, Log Cabin Republicans exist, it's not just for left leaning people), it doesn't send a good message about the idea that they have to maintain neutrality based on people's perceptions rather than the facts of the case on an individual basis.