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But I can't figure out why that would/should be your default definition of a seer.

To me, a seer is any legitimate prophet to whom God, primarily, grants visions (while they are awake).

Prophetic visions serve Gods purposes.
In Peter's case it was to bring the Gentiles into the Salvation of Christ.
God used this example due to Jews considering Gentiles unclean.

One example of a seer is the Spirit of python Paul cast out of a woman.
Paul and Barnabas was thrown in jail, because people used this Girl or woman for divination.
Prophecy will always align with God's Word, and is given by God for his purposes.
The gift of knowledge operates differently, All the Spirituals or Gifts of the Spirit are given by He the Holy Spirit.
We have a total revelation about a circumstance.
To say you are a seer is a self given title.
I have watched some operate, they ask questions of a general nature, or over hear a conversation about someone then suddenly they have a word for that person.
I watched a man who was fresh out of Seminary lose a future pastoral Job because he started going to these odd meetings proclaiming soul ties.
He even believed he had a spirit of witchcraft he was delivered from.
The gist was some one in his family was a witch, so that link was still there.
Hogwash!
Whomever the Son has set free is free indeed.
 
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I am able to see into the spiritual realm. It happened about a year and a half ago.
I had a vision of Jesus in the clouds. Then I saw a temple with a bright light emanating from the doorway in the clouds. People were standing in front of it. Both visions were in color.
In photographs I can see spirits.
I can tell you that the demonic spirits as described in Revelation 9 are here. I see them in the sky all the time. They are disguised as clouds. They match exactly to those described in Revelation 9. They wear a crown and have scorpion tails.
UFOs can't be explained because they arent interplanetary visitors in alien crafts.
They are demonic spirits flying around disguised as alien crafts.
This is why they manuever the way they do. Their purpose is to confuse and alarm humanity. It is one of Satans deceptions.
I have seen at least 300 earthly spirits .
I see spirits every single day.
I am not onto the occult.
I ask God for guidance...and find myself posting prophetic words on FB that seemingly come out of nowhere.

There are no such thing as human spirits wondering the earth.
There have been people with the gift of discerning of spirits.
I'm not doubting what you have said, Just a caution.
I have had visions since I was a Child.
Every one I remember clearly, God gives us help in time of need, and warns us of what is coming our way.
William Brannon was a preacher with uncanny abilities.
Unfortunately He began to teach his own theology as to what transpired in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Kenneth Hagin heard a prophesy from God that Brannon would be taken home that year.
Hagin delivered the Prophecy to Brannon's staff and family.
Brannon died in a car wreak I believe that year.
This is not outside of Gods Word Prophets would give Gods message to kings, that they would die in a certain time.
Samuel when called on by a witch told Saul He would die with Johnathan the next day and they died.
 
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Anyone who sets themselves up as a seer ministry and solicits others to receive prophetic guidance is a counterfeit and is functioning from a demonic familiar spirit in the same way as a witch-doctor or a fortune teller operates.

This is quite different to someone receiving a prophetic word of knowledge, wisdom or encouragement for a fellow believer. Although there is no operating manual for these spiritual gifts, we know that the purpose of the prophetic gifts is to point people to Christ and to enhance their faith in Him.

If a person uses a prophetic gift to exalt himself or the person he speaks to, then he is functioning from a familiar spirit and not from the Holy Spirit, because he is pointing the person away from Christ to himself or to puff up the person he is giving the word to. Any prophetic word could very well include a divination spirit that could bring spiritual or physical harm to the person receiving the prophetic word.

Anen
 
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I have now completed a study on the link between the Gospel of Christ and the prophetic. If a person sets him or herself up as a seer, then they are advertising self instead of the Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the Cross for sinners. It is characteristics of those purporting to be seers to put the Gospel on the back burner, and some of the things the persons "sees" have either nothing to do with Gospel, or contradicts the Gospel to the point that the seer is promoting another gospel in that the person becomes a "lens", revealing things contrary to what the Holy Spirit has revealed to all believers through the Gospel of Christ. If you PM me, I will attach a copy of the Ebook that results from my study.
 
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I have now completed a study on the link between the Gospel of Christ and the prophetic. If a person sets him or herself up as a seer, then they are advertising self instead of the Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the Cross for sinners. It is characteristics of those purporting to be seers to put the Gospel on the back burner, and some of the things the persons "sees" have either nothing to do with Gospel, or contradicts the Gospel to the point that the seer is promoting another gospel in that the person becomes a "lens", revealing things contrary to what the Holy Spirit has revealed to all believers through the Gospel of Christ. If you PM me, I will attach a copy of the Ebook that results from my study.
So anyone and everyone who calls themselves a "seer" is a heretic? Got it.
 
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So anyone and everyone who calls themselves a "seer" is a heretic? Got it.
There is no such function in the New Testament. Every believer is guided by the Holy Spirit. There is no need for a "seer" to take the place of the Holy Spirit within the believer. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, therefore the function of seer became redundant after the arrival of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Hebrews 1 says that in times past God spoke by His prophets, but in these last days He speaks through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus now speaks to us through the indwelling Holy Spirit as He makes the Scriptures clear to us. The Scripture says that they who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. It also says that they who are led by the Spirit are not under the Law. Therefore, under the Old Covenant, believers were led by the Law and the Prophets, but under the New Covenant, believers are led by the Spirit. Therefore, seeking to be led by a seer, is denying the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and through that denial, it is equivalent to a denial of Jesus Himself who is in the Spirit. No man have have two masters, and I use that principle to say that a believer can be led by the Spirit and a seer at the same time. He must love the one and hate the other and vice versa. That is why I believe that a person who looks to a seer for guidance effectively denies Christ, and therefore Christ is no longer of any value to him. All he has is a dead religion that will not save him.
 
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There is no such function in the New Testament. Every believer is guided by the Holy Spirit. There is no need for a "seer" to take the place of the Holy Spirit within the believer. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, therefore the function of seer became redundant after the arrival of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Hebrews 1 says that in times past God spoke by His prophets, but in these last days He speaks through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus now speaks to us through the indwelling Holy Spirit as He makes the Scriptures clear to us. The Scripture says that they who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. It also says that they who are led by the Spirit are not under the Law. Therefore, under the Old Covenant, believers were led by the Law and the Prophets, but under the New Covenant, believers are led by the Spirit. Therefore, seeking to be led by a seer, is denying the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and through that denial, it is equivalent to a denial of Jesus Himself who is in the Spirit. No man have have two masters, and I use that principle to say that a believer can be led by the Spirit and a seer at the same time. He must love the one and hate the other and vice versa. That is why I believe that a person who looks to a seer for guidance effectively denies Christ, and therefore Christ is no longer of any value to him. All he has is a dead religion that will not save him.
You know this garbage is what is wrong with the Church today.

You know what I did this weekend? I was part of a crusade that held locally in my community. Outside ministers came in and partnered with local churches of all kinds. Different denominations, beliefs, traditions coming together in unity to spread the gospel... Hundreds gave their lives to the Lord, were healed, were delivered, or were baptized. Thousands of meals were given to the needy and even more were prayed for and loved on. Also, we just had a whole lot of fun together.

You spend your time studying to find a way to discredit a group of believers and cause division because of a name. A name? Prophets are in the NT, Paul listed them as part of the group called to help equip the saints. I know of zero prophets/seers/whatever you want to call them that call them, that encourage others to be led by them instead of the Spirit - unless they are leaders of a very obvious cult. Prophets/seers speak BY the Spirit, so those who listen ARE being led by the Spirit, not the man. Mature prophets or ministers of any kind will tell you to seek the Lord for yourself to confirm anything they release by the Spirit.

Focusing on what's "wrong" with other Christians is what got the Church into the mess it is in right now. Sure, there's plenty of error out there, but the solution isn't to go seeking it out. The solution is to actually to go out and live the gospel. If we did more of that, much of the error would begin to fix itself.
 
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I Was Saved in 1967, at a Freewill Baptist Church.
In all these years I have often tumbled along by the Grace of God.
There were times I had to apologize for being wrong.
On these Forums I once defended my Faith to a fellow beliver.
I simply had the same answer as always, but this Charismatic teacher, calmly put me in my place.
my fault was presuming His motives, so after reading again I had to message Him and apologize.
He said to me this meant a lot to Him because people rarely would do this.
Often the motives for others commenting are not to degrade, they are for our edification.
 
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OK. It seems that Samuel and Asaph were the only ones identified that way, and it also seems that the definition changed to Prophet. I fail to see how this can apply to New Covenant believers, because they don't need a seer or a prophet to show them the will of God, because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. That is why the New Testament Scripture says that believers don't need any man to teach them the ways and will of God, but that the indwelling anointing of the Holy Spirit will perform that function.
Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.
Still praying for you.
 
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OK. It seems that Samuel and Asaph were the only ones identified that way, and it also seems that the definition changed to Prophet. I fail to see how this can apply to New Covenant believers, because they don't need a seer or a prophet to show them the will of God, because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. That is why the New Testament Scripture says that believers don't need any man to teach them the ways and will of God, but that the indwelling anointing of the Holy Spirit will perform that function.

Correct.

Prophets in the OT were a power position with GOD. GOD operated great amounts of power through them for His purposes besides having different revelation gifts reveal things to people.

While the position is valid as an office in the NT covenant, we shouldn't expect a NT prophet to waste all their time being a fortune teller to the body of Christ.
 
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Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.
Still praying for you.
Until I see examples (other than Agabus) of widespread prophets through the New Testament I will remain skeptical. We see the prophets who predicted Trump's victory in the election ended up with egg on their faces.

Also, where are the prophecies that predicted Covid, 9/11, the Taliban takeover of Afganistan before the time? We don't see any. You would think that such serious world events would have been prophesied by the prophets in the Church. But we don't see them.

I don't see any definition of a "seer" in the New Testament, so, seeing that God has said all that He is going to say in the written Scriptures, and He has not said anything about the ministry of "seer" in the New Testament, then I don't believe it, because my view is that if it ain't in the New Testament then it ain't true for the Church. John was not a prophet. He was an Apostle who had a vision from the Lord and wrote it down. He was never a continuous prophetic ministry to the Church. So we can't call him a "seer" by any stretch of the imagination.

But we do have some great prophets in the church who do not predict the future, but are speaking out against the evil corruption that is taking over the Charismatic movement in the form of the false Word Faith teachers and prophets, teaching lies and fostering occult music and manifestation in their churches. Justin Peters, John MacArthur, Spencer Smith, to name three well known ones. They are fulfilling the ministry of prophet to speak out against falsehood and idolatry in the same way that Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Ezekiel spoke out against the false prophets and shepherds of their day.
 
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Correct.

Prophets in the OT were a power position with GOD. GOD operated great amounts of power through them for His purposes besides having different revelation gifts reveal things to people.

While the position is valid as an office in the NT covenant, we shouldn't expect a NT prophet to waste all their time being a fortune teller to the body of Christ.
As I said in a previous post, I can now recognise prophets who are making their voices known in our modern church, speaking out against the idolatry, occult, and false teaching and prophecy that is coming through the ultra-Charismatic Faith movement preachers (Copeland, Hinn, Osteen, Meyer, Dollar, and others) who are more in it for the money they are making than for the furtherance of the real Gospel. In my previous post I named three of the true current church prophets, who are closer to the role of the O.T. prophet in our time.
 
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I do not doubt that the Spirit is being poured out to great numbers today.
I belive you may be missing the point of what Oscar is saying.
Oscar is not a Cessionest for sure, it is that some among the Body make self proclamation as to their title.
I believe the power of God is shaking this World.
In Portland every time a Church would try to wittness they were run off and beaten.
A Evangelist showed up and a huge crowd of believers Praised God.
The young people were on their knees seeking Salvation.
Even some of the violent people dropped.
No one can interrupt a service God ordained.
I personally feel a spirit of divination when a person proclaims what he or she is, then starts to speak things over people.
The Spirit is called Python, and is as real today as it was in Paul's time.
This is a dangerous Spirit that has its followers dabbling in the occult.
I take nothing away from the Power of God, it's just you need to watch those who proclaim themselves with a title.
Paul Had all the Gifts, yet His teaching was not giving any Glory to Himself.
I am certainly not a cessationist. I believe that cessationism is a false teaching that is not mentioned in the New Testament. If someone can show me any Scripture that says that God has definitely described the gifts of the Spirt, including the sign gifts, as being just temporary, for just the establishment of the Church and then must cease, I will become a cessationist. And the verse in 1 Corinthians 13 about when the perfect has come, has nothing to do with the spiritual gifts. It shows that faith, hope and love, endure through to eternity where the gifts of the Spirit are no longer needed. Even Calvin says that we need the continuation of the gifts of the Spirit because of our weaknesses, but when we die, we leave our weaknesses behind, and the gifts along with them. So as long as there are souls to be saved, and imperfect Christians populate the church, we need the continuation of the gifts.
But the ultra-Charismatic churches such as Bethel and Hillsong have muddied the waters and have introduced exaggerated manifestations of tongues, prophecy, kundalini, etc., that have made it appear that these things are integral to Charismatic continuance of the gifts, which they are not.

What characterised the true Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, was that the main emphasis was preaching the Gospel of Christ and pointing people to the Cross and the finished work of Christ on it. The exercise of the gifts were designed to bring sinners to the Cross and to strengthen the faith of those in the churches.

They were never designed to glorify the preachers and to point people to the likes of Copeland, Osteen, and company to make it appear that these men are somehow special and are closer to God than us mere mortals. We hear ridiculous accounts by these men that they have a special relationship with God that makes it appear that God does only what they want Him to do, and one false teacher said that God asked him for his opinion on what to about an issue. These things are not the genuine Charismatic. They are the invention of these men who are unashamed about amassing great personal wealth from the slim wallets of the faithful.

The sad part about this is they draw the tens of thousands to their conferences because they give the people what they want. The Scripture tells us of the O.T. false prophets prophesying that they can continue in their idolatry and sin, and the people want it that way. The true prophets were persecuted because the people did not want to hear the truth. In the same way, the tens of thousands who attend Copeland's, Osteen's, and Meyer's conferences don't want to hear the true Gospel. They want the blessings and the goodies these false teachers offer them.
 
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According to this forum's rules "If you wish to debate whether or not the sign gifts are still active today, please start a thread in the General Theology forum." There will be lots of folks there who agree that spiritual gifts aren't for today.

Otherwise, this forum is for learning and sharing according to Scripture.
 
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Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.
Still praying for you.
I agree with tturt. Dialog about growing and flowing in the gifts seems to be much more in line with this forums SOP and just more edifying than complaining about what's wrong with this group or that group. It gets quite annoying and tiresome that every thread has to devolve to: Trump prophesies this... I don't believe that... so and so does it wrong... seer isn't in the NT... it's old, and imo, it's inappropriate.
 
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seer isn't in the NT
Since spiritual gifts is about spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit according to the new and better covenant. Old testamentisms aren't really relevant in that context, that's all.

I'm willing to look at seer and prophet as the same thing since it was previously the term used.
 
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Since spiritual gifts is about spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit according to the new and better covenant. Old testamentisms aren't really relevant in that context, that's all.

I'm willing to look at seer and prophet as the same thing since it was previously the term used.
And that would be wise and sensible thing to do rather than make a big stink about it.
 
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I don't want to be misunderstood, and I am sure that those who know me over the years know through reading my posts that I have always passionately supported the continuance of the spiritual gifts and ministries.

But I am deeply concerned that because of the invasion of counterfeits like the Prosperity and guaranteed healing preaching into the Charismatic movement, we have to be able to discern between what is genuine and what is false. I have tried to point out the differences. My opposition to "prophets of the nation" has been justified by the false prophecies favouring Donald Trump in the recent election. But I do know that there are prophets in the church today, but not like the ones given by Bethel, the prosperity preachers, or Benny Hinn.

I have realised that the New Testament prophet is similar to the Old Testament one, not in the prediction of the future, but in the call to Christian people to turn from their idols, coldness, lack of commitment, sinful lifestyle and hypocrisy, and return in faithfulness to the Christ who died on the Cross for them and to walk in the Spirit, demonstrating the power of God through the genuine gifts of the Spirit and the five-fold ministries.

In the same way the prophets of the Old Testament were rejected and persecuted, it is the same with the New Testament ones. There is a video of a Calvary Chapel pastor in a prosperity conference who functioned as a prophet in urging the people to put their faith in Christ alone. As a result he was accused by the female preacher of having a demon and was frog-marched out of her conference by security. His message was not what she or the people there wanted to hear. They wanted the promise of wealth, blessing, and healing that was offered in the conference.

The reason why I oppose the definition of "seer" in the New Testament church is the implication that a "special" person acts as a "lens-man" who can see into the hearts of people and into the future, with the intention that people put their trust in him and his "special gift". But a seer was not crucified for us, nor has he taken our sins upon himself and given us a righteousness that makes us acceptable to God. We put our full trust in the One who died for us on the Cross and who rose from the dead to give us eternal life.

Therefore the role of the New Testament prophet is for the church to repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. His message is not generally popular, and that is why the way to eternal life is narrow, and few there be who find it.
 
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