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Probably nothing, nevermind.Investigate what exactly?
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Probably nothing, nevermind.Investigate what exactly?
But I can't figure out why that would/should be your default definition of a seer.
To me, a seer is any legitimate prophet to whom God, primarily, grants visions (while they are awake).
I am able to see into the spiritual realm. It happened about a year and a half ago.
I had a vision of Jesus in the clouds. Then I saw a temple with a bright light emanating from the doorway in the clouds. People were standing in front of it. Both visions were in color.
In photographs I can see spirits.
I can tell you that the demonic spirits as described in Revelation 9 are here. I see them in the sky all the time. They are disguised as clouds. They match exactly to those described in Revelation 9. They wear a crown and have scorpion tails.
UFOs can't be explained because they arent interplanetary visitors in alien crafts.
They are demonic spirits flying around disguised as alien crafts.
This is why they manuever the way they do. Their purpose is to confuse and alarm humanity. It is one of Satans deceptions.
I have seen at least 300 earthly spirits .
I see spirits every single day.
I am not onto the occult.
I ask God for guidance...and find myself posting prophetic words on FB that seemingly come out of nowhere.
Anyone who sets themselves up as a seer ministry and solicits others to receive prophetic guidance is a counterfeit and is functioning from a demonic familiar spirit in the same way as a witch-doctor or a fortune teller operates.
This is quite different to someone receiving a prophetic word of knowledge, wisdom or encouragement for a fellow believer. Although there is no operating manual for these spiritual gifts, we know that the purpose of the prophetic gifts is to point people to Christ and to enhance their faith in Him.
If a person uses a prophetic gift to exalt himself or the person he speaks to, then he is functioning from a familiar spirit and not from the Holy Spirit, because he is pointing the person away from Christ to himself or to puff up the person he is giving the word to. Any prophetic word could very well include a divination spirit that could bring spiritual or physical harm to the person receiving the prophetic word.
I have now completed a study on the link between the Gospel of Christ and the prophetic. If a person sets him or herself up as a seer, then they are advertising self instead of the Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the Cross for sinners. It is characteristics of those purporting to be seers to put the Gospel on the back burner, and some of the things the persons "sees" have either nothing to do with Gospel, or contradicts the Gospel to the point that the seer is promoting another gospel in that the person becomes a "lens", revealing things contrary to what the Holy Spirit has revealed to all believers through the Gospel of Christ. If you PM me, I will attach a copy of the Ebook that results from my study.Anen
So anyone and everyone who calls themselves a "seer" is a heretic? Got it.I have now completed a study on the link between the Gospel of Christ and the prophetic. If a person sets him or herself up as a seer, then they are advertising self instead of the Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the Cross for sinners. It is characteristics of those purporting to be seers to put the Gospel on the back burner, and some of the things the persons "sees" have either nothing to do with Gospel, or contradicts the Gospel to the point that the seer is promoting another gospel in that the person becomes a "lens", revealing things contrary to what the Holy Spirit has revealed to all believers through the Gospel of Christ. If you PM me, I will attach a copy of the Ebook that results from my study.
There is no such function in the New Testament. Every believer is guided by the Holy Spirit. There is no need for a "seer" to take the place of the Holy Spirit within the believer. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, therefore the function of seer became redundant after the arrival of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Hebrews 1 says that in times past God spoke by His prophets, but in these last days He speaks through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus now speaks to us through the indwelling Holy Spirit as He makes the Scriptures clear to us. The Scripture says that they who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. It also says that they who are led by the Spirit are not under the Law. Therefore, under the Old Covenant, believers were led by the Law and the Prophets, but under the New Covenant, believers are led by the Spirit. Therefore, seeking to be led by a seer, is denying the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and through that denial, it is equivalent to a denial of Jesus Himself who is in the Spirit. No man have have two masters, and I use that principle to say that a believer can be led by the Spirit and a seer at the same time. He must love the one and hate the other and vice versa. That is why I believe that a person who looks to a seer for guidance effectively denies Christ, and therefore Christ is no longer of any value to him. All he has is a dead religion that will not save him.So anyone and everyone who calls themselves a "seer" is a heretic? Got it.
You know this garbage is what is wrong with the Church today.There is no such function in the New Testament. Every believer is guided by the Holy Spirit. There is no need for a "seer" to take the place of the Holy Spirit within the believer. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, therefore the function of seer became redundant after the arrival of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Hebrews 1 says that in times past God spoke by His prophets, but in these last days He speaks through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus now speaks to us through the indwelling Holy Spirit as He makes the Scriptures clear to us. The Scripture says that they who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. It also says that they who are led by the Spirit are not under the Law. Therefore, under the Old Covenant, believers were led by the Law and the Prophets, but under the New Covenant, believers are led by the Spirit. Therefore, seeking to be led by a seer, is denying the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and through that denial, it is equivalent to a denial of Jesus Himself who is in the Spirit. No man have have two masters, and I use that principle to say that a believer can be led by the Spirit and a seer at the same time. He must love the one and hate the other and vice versa. That is why I believe that a person who looks to a seer for guidance effectively denies Christ, and therefore Christ is no longer of any value to him. All he has is a dead religion that will not save him.
Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.OK. It seems that Samuel and Asaph were the only ones identified that way, and it also seems that the definition changed to Prophet. I fail to see how this can apply to New Covenant believers, because they don't need a seer or a prophet to show them the will of God, because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. That is why the New Testament Scripture says that believers don't need any man to teach them the ways and will of God, but that the indwelling anointing of the Holy Spirit will perform that function.
OK. It seems that Samuel and Asaph were the only ones identified that way, and it also seems that the definition changed to Prophet. I fail to see how this can apply to New Covenant believers, because they don't need a seer or a prophet to show them the will of God, because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. That is why the New Testament Scripture says that believers don't need any man to teach them the ways and will of God, but that the indwelling anointing of the Holy Spirit will perform that function.
Until I see examples (other than Agabus) of widespread prophets through the New Testament I will remain skeptical. We see the prophets who predicted Trump's victory in the election ended up with egg on their faces.Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.
Still praying for you.
As I said in a previous post, I can now recognise prophets who are making their voices known in our modern church, speaking out against the idolatry, occult, and false teaching and prophecy that is coming through the ultra-Charismatic Faith movement preachers (Copeland, Hinn, Osteen, Meyer, Dollar, and others) who are more in it for the money they are making than for the furtherance of the real Gospel. In my previous post I named three of the true current church prophets, who are closer to the role of the O.T. prophet in our time.Correct.
Prophets in the OT were a power position with GOD. GOD operated great amounts of power through them for His purposes besides having different revelation gifts reveal things to people.
While the position is valid as an office in the NT covenant, we shouldn't expect a NT prophet to waste all their time being a fortune teller to the body of Christ.
I am certainly not a cessationist. I believe that cessationism is a false teaching that is not mentioned in the New Testament. If someone can show me any Scripture that says that God has definitely described the gifts of the Spirt, including the sign gifts, as being just temporary, for just the establishment of the Church and then must cease, I will become a cessationist. And the verse in 1 Corinthians 13 about when the perfect has come, has nothing to do with the spiritual gifts. It shows that faith, hope and love, endure through to eternity where the gifts of the Spirit are no longer needed. Even Calvin says that we need the continuation of the gifts of the Spirit because of our weaknesses, but when we die, we leave our weaknesses behind, and the gifts along with them. So as long as there are souls to be saved, and imperfect Christians populate the church, we need the continuation of the gifts.I do not doubt that the Spirit is being poured out to great numbers today.
I belive you may be missing the point of what Oscar is saying.
Oscar is not a Cessionest for sure, it is that some among the Body make self proclamation as to their title.
I believe the power of God is shaking this World.
In Portland every time a Church would try to wittness they were run off and beaten.
A Evangelist showed up and a huge crowd of believers Praised God.
The young people were on their knees seeking Salvation.
Even some of the violent people dropped.
No one can interrupt a service God ordained.
I personally feel a spirit of divination when a person proclaims what he or she is, then starts to speak things over people.
The Spirit is called Python, and is as real today as it was in Paul's time.
This is a dangerous Spirit that has its followers dabbling in the occult.
I take nothing away from the Power of God, it's just you need to watch those who proclaim themselves with a title.
Paul Had all the Gifts, yet His teaching was not giving any Glory to Himself.
I agree with tturt. Dialog about growing and flowing in the gifts seems to be much more in line with this forums SOP and just more edifying than complaining about what's wrong with this group or that group. It gets quite annoying and tiresome that every thread has to devolve to: Trump prophesies this... I don't believe that... so and so does it wrong... seer isn't in the NT... it's old, and imo, it's inappropriate.Hello, Oscarr...I see your still teaching against prophets for today. I thought by now you would have received a revelation from the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see. Lol.
Still praying for you.
Since spiritual gifts is about spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit according to the new and better covenant. Old testamentisms aren't really relevant in that context, that's all.seer isn't in the NT
And that would be wise and sensible thing to do rather than make a big stink about it.Since spiritual gifts is about spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit according to the new and better covenant. Old testamentisms aren't really relevant in that context, that's all.
I'm willing to look at seer and prophet as the same thing since it was previously the term used.