IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

JohnD70X7 said:

The works either became just going through the motions, or they interfered with the doctrine of salvation (which Ephesians 2:9 clearly forbids).

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John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.KJV

JohnD70X7 said:

Oh, btw, James 2 also says the demons believe there is one God and tremble.

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James 2:19-21 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice.

Ligurian said:

The everlasting covenant never ended and it never will. Or forever has no meaning.

Jeremiah 27:5 the everlasting covenant shall not be forgotten
Jeremias 38:30 every one shall die in his own sin
Jeremiah 39:39-40 And I will give them another way, and another heart
Hosea 1:19 And I will betroth thee to Myself for ever

In the Gospels of Matthew and John, only those who are drawn to the Father come to Jesus. How are we drawn to the Father? By the order in His creation, and by the Laws which maintain that order. This is the world that the Father sent His Son to save.

When Jeremiah says I will give them "another heart", God means that the Law written on our heart is the Holy Spirit, causing us to remember what Jesus taught us about the nature of the Father's Law, and teaching us what it all means.

The "another way" is the easy yoke of Jesus... Matthew 5--Matthew 7... the Sermon on the Mount... at the end of which we are told that we must not only hear what Jesus says, but do what He says... for this is the real meaning of belief.

Jesus says those He loves He rebukes, so be earnest and repent. Those who are never rebuked are not loved by God. And the reason for God rebuking us is the purging... the cleaning of the branches of the vine... removing from each of us what doesn't belong.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Ok thanks for sharing..... sooooo? What does this have to do with the post you were responding to? As posted earlier, I think one thing that a lot of people seem to forget and that the new covenant was never made with gentiles *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gods' Israel according to the new covenant scriptures are no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are now born of the Spirit who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. There is no more Jew or Greek all are now one in Christ. If we are not a part of God's Israel born into God's new covenant promise through faith we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise.

God bless.

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Moriah's Song said:

I don't sit in judgement of the Jews who reject Christ, yesterday or tomorrow.

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Yet you did wrongly associate them as the "synagogue of Satan" when those Lord Jesus pointed to, do lie, and only 'CLAIM' to be Jews, but are not. He was pointing not to Jewish synagogues, but to the false crept in unawares of Jude that crept in among the tribe of Judah long ago. Many country preachers that don't study all their Bible often do that same pointing to bloodline Jews like you do, when Jesus was not pointing to true Judah.

1. true Jews (born of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and some small remnants of the northern ten tribes that left the north when king Jeroboam setup calf idol worship - see 1 Kings 11 forward).

2. false Jews (the crept in unawares of Jude 1 that were 'ordained' to the condemnation of working against Christ. The "tares" of the parable of the tares of the field. The "brute beasts" that Apostle Peter said were made to be taken and destroyed. These HIDE as Jews among true Judah.

Therefore, we CANNOT point to unbelieving Jews that reject Lord Jesus as the "tares", because like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11:25 forward, God blinded them so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. And when the 'fullness of the Gentiles' is done, that is when He will remove their blindness, according to Paul.

I covered this, and the relevant Scripture on this, so this is not my... idea. It is God's written Word.

Moriah's Song said:

I disagree with your statement that "Jesus was pointing to another group" instead of the "synagogue of Satan"; meaning those who were not "true Jews." Clearly there was persecution in the early church by the Jews to those who accepted Jesus as the Messiah as you can see from the following....

(Acts 5:27-42)

- They were "charged to not teach in His name" but Peter and the apostles answered "we must obey God rather than men."
- When they heard this they were enraged and wanted to kill them. (v 33)
- "...when they called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name." (vs. 40-41)​

(Acts 6-8:1)

- The arrest of Stephen..."because the (synagogue of the Freedmen) could not withstand the wisdom and the spirit with which he spoke." (vs. 9, 10)
- The apostle Stephen; the first martyrdom....."the elders and the scribes came upon [Stephen] and seized and brought him before the council, and set up false witnesses who said..." (vs. 12-13)
- The stoning of Stephen...."Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth against him....But they cried out with a loud voice an stopped their ears and rushed together upon him. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him; and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.....And Saul was consenting to his death."​

(Gal 1:13)

At this time, Saul was passionately opposed to the teachings of the church and sought permission to go to Damascus and hunt down Christians wherever he could find them...."For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it,..."​

Paul’s conversion was a bitter pill to the Jews of Damascus where he first began to preach this gospel. Paul, after his conversion, was subject to almost immediate threat to life and limb,... Paul was a Jew of high standing in his time, but somehow his standing afforded him no protection when he began to preach Christ crucified.

(Acts 9:23-25)

- His escape from the Jews..."When many days had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him, but their plot became known to Saul. They were watching the gates day and night to kill him; but his disciples took him by night and let him own over the wall lowering him in a basket."​

Perhaps the most striking demonstration of the evolution of Jewish persecution is found in the treatment James, the brother of Jesus,

(Acts 12:1-5)

- The martyrdom of James and the imprisonment of Peter..."About that time Herod the king laid violent hands upon some who belonged to the church. He killed James the brother of John with the sword; and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also...and put him in prison."​

Shortly after James, the brother of Jesus was killed, the persecuted leadership of the church moved outside of Judea – to Pella in the early 60’s A.D. seeking safety from Jewish wrath. The Jews had persecuted the Christians in the hopes that they could protect their captive nation.

In addition to the reference to "the Synagogue of Satan", in John 8:44, 47b where Jesus is speaking to the crowd in the temple court of the Gentiles, and of which the Jewish scribes and Pharisees were there also, he says to them..."You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires..."

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You still are rejecting a pretty huge part of God's Word by not understand who Christ's REAL enemies are.

Your attitude shows gross anti-Semitism, a hatred of ALL Jews that reject Jesus Christ.

Those in Christ Jesus are NOT... to have that attitude, but instead have hope that the Jews which God blinded away from The Gospel will turn to Christ!

But instead, all you seethe is hatred against unbelieving Jews!

You are in major need of studying and HEEDING what Apostle Paul taught about his brethren the Jews in Romans 11:25-32!

Ligurian said:

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the Kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Matthew 13:52 Then said He unto them, Therefore every scribe [which is] instructed unto the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure [things] new and old.

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Yep! What Lord Jesus said there is correct!

In Matthew 13:19, that applies to ALL who allow the devil to deceive them away from God's Holy Writ.

And in Matthew 13:52, that treasure out of things new and old represent The Old Testament and New Testament Books. They are meant to be understood together! And that response He gave after asking His Apostles if they understood what He was teaching them. I've been trying here to get brethren to open up their Old Testament Books in deeper study while on this forum, but to little avail.

Ligurian said:

The everlasting covenant never ended and it never will. Or forever has no meaning.

Jeremiah 27:5 the everlasting covenant shall not be forgotten
Jeremias 38:30 every one shall die in his own sin
Jeremiah 39:39-40 And I will give them another way, and another heart
Hosea 1:19 And I will betroth thee to Myself for ever

In the Gospels of Matthew and John, only those who are drawn to the Father come to Jesus. How are we drawn to the Father? By the order in His creation, and by the Laws which maintain that order. This is the world that the Father sent His Son to save.

When Jeremiah says I will give them "another heart", God means that the Law written on our heart is the Holy Spirit, causing us to remember what Jesus taught us about the nature of the Father's Law, and teaching us what it all means.

The "another way" is the easy yoke of Jesus... Matthew 5--Matthew 7... the Sermon on the Mount... at the end of which we are told that we must not only hear what Jesus says, but do what He says... for this is the real meaning of belief.

Jesus says those He loves He rebukes, so be earnest and repent. Those who are never rebuked are not loved by God. And the reason for God rebuking us is the purging... the cleaning of the branches of the vine... removing from each of us what doesn't belong.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Ok thanks for sharing..... sooooo? What does this have to do with the post you were responding to? As posted earlier, I think one thing that a lot of people seem to forget and that the new covenant was never made with gentiles *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gods' Israel according to the new covenant scriptures are no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are now born of the Spirit who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. There is no more Jew or Greek all are now one in Christ. If we are not a part of God's Israel born into God's new covenant promise through faith we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise.

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LoveGodsWord said:

You cannot tell me can you.

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Can't tell you what? Can't tell you that the gentiles got a different message than the lost sheep of the house of Israel got? Why don't you know that already?

Galatians 2:7-9 But contrariwise, when they saw that
the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

Now,
Jesus says what the Gospel of the circumcision consists of... over and over again in the Gospels... calling it the Kingdom of Heaven, the Kingdom of God, My Kingdom, This Gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom... He's talking about the Gospel He preached to His Disciples of Galilee... every day, for 42 months. Every word Jesus preached to them is the Gospel of the circumcison.

And we have the Gospels of Matthew and John as first-hand-witness of Jesus:
John 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father: the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me; and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me.

Go not into the way of the Gentiles

Matthew 10:5-7 These Twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

And this Gospel is what Peter fed Jesus' sheep.

1 Peter 1:23-25 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by this Gospel is preached unto you. (Isaiah 40:3, John 1:23)

Do you understand that last purple sentence? The Gospel Jesus taught is what His Father gave Him to teach the circumcision, John 12:44-50 says the same thing. But more, Peter is saying this Gospel itself is everlasting because the word of the Lord endureth forever. And since 1 Peter is said to the Diaspora, this is the Gospel of the circumcision.

Trust and Obey

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast hearkened to My voice.LXX

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock:

Davy said:

Yep! What Lord Jesus said there is correct!

In Matthew 13:19, that applies to ALL who allow the devil to deceive them away from God's Holy Writ.

And in Matthew 13:52, that treasure out of things new and old represent The Old Testament and New Testament Books. They are meant to be understood together! And that response He gave after asking His Apostles if they understood what He was teaching them. I've been trying here to get brethren to open up their Old Testament Books in deeper study while on this forum, but to little avail.

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The Sermon on the Mount is bookended by these verses, saying the same thing:

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven:
5:20 but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 7:24-27 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon the rock. 26 And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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fulfil (pleroo = make replete)
fulfilled (ginomai = generated)
break (luo = destroy, disolve, melt, put off)
the rock (ho = the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.)

Matthew 16:15-18 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but My Father which is in Heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

LoveGodsWord said:

There is no more Jew or Greek all are now one in Christ. If we are not a part of God's Israel born into God's new covenant promise through faith we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise.

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Jesus never says any of that to His Galilean Apostles,
to whom He teaches His Father's Gospel of the Reign of Heaven.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

Ligurian said:

Jesus never says any of that to His Galilean Apostles,
to whom He teaches His Father's Gospel of the Reign of Heaven.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

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LoveGodsWord said:

What is it in the scriptures and the OP provided here that you disagree with?

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I don't agree or disagree with that which was never written to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the circumcision. If I were to read other people's mail I would try very hard not to have an opinion or react according to the contents of the letter.

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The "another way" is the easy yoke of Jesus... Matthew 5--Matthew 7... the Sermon on the Mount... at the end of which we are told that we must not only hear what Jesus says, but do what He says... for this is the real meaning of belief.

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Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

There's no doubt God wants us to do good.

But your definition of belief is not in alignment with verse 9.

Ligurian said:

Where in the Gospels of Matthew and John does Jesus say "fallen human nature"?

Or even hint that mankind is satanic? The people who were the sons of the devil were trying to kill Him... they earned the title. Are you one of those people who think babies are born with horns and a tail?

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Alrighty:

Matthew 16:23 (AV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The thing that be of the whole human race is satanic.

John 8:43–44 (AV)
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Isaiah 64:6 (NIV84)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Psalm 53:3 (NIV84)
3 Everyone has turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Romans 3:10 (NIV84)
10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

Ligurian said:

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
15:23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and besought Him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped Him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But He answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
28:17 And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted.
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

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I'm sorry. I don't see the relevance (or the point you are making) by quoting these scriptures.

Ligurian said:

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.KJV



James 2:19-21 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice.

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You do realize Abraham was before the cross of Christ.
And those who obeyed the Law as much as they were able were before the cross.

But since the cross:

Romans 5:20 (NIV84)
20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

Romans 7:15–25 (AV)
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This is the Apostle Paul's confession and verdict. The Apostle Paul. The Hebrew of Hebrews, who regarding the Law of Moses was blameless (Philippians 3:4-7). A man (since the Damascus Road conversion) who devoted his life solely to Christ and the preaching of the Gospel. IMHO the rich young man who [eventually] gave up everything to follow Christ (Matthew 19:16-22 / Mark 10:17-22)...

Romans 11:29 (AV)
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

This is the Apostle Paul... do you believe you can compare or do better than Paul? Do you believe any of us can? I certainly do not delude myself with such notions.

Jesus' yoke is easy. His burden is light.
How can he say this if we are to outdo the Pharisees (on this side of the cross)?

Matthew 5:20 (AV)
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is referring to the imputed righteousness of Christ through faith in him. Otherwise all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) and those of the Sanhedrin are dung (Philippians 3:8).

JohnD70X7 said:

Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

There's no doubt God wants us to do good.

But your definition of belief is not in alignment with verse 9.

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I don't follow Paul's gospel to the gentiles.
Galatians 2:7
I follow the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Ligurian said:

Where in the Gospels of Matthew and John does Jesus say "fallen human nature"?

Or even hint that mankind is satanic? The people who were the sons of the devil were trying to kill Him... they earned the title. Are you one of those people who think babies are born with horns and a tail?

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JohnD70X7 said:

Alrighty:

Matthew 16:23 (AV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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OK, one more time:

The Gospel of the Kingdom, 101

Matthew 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus didn't teach His Galilean Apostles what He didn't do.
Peter repented, Jesus forgave him.
And here's the proof:

John 17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word.

John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou Me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto Him, Feed My lambs.


God would've given such an important task to what you call a satanic...?
That can't even happen in the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

JohnD70X7 said:

The thing that be of the whole human race is satanic.

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Then the prophecies of Matthew 21:39-45 and Daniel 2:34-35, Matthew 22:16-17 and Matthew 23:34-35... simply would not exist. Nor would John 8:33 and Matthew 22:15-16, or Matthew 24:4-24, Revelation 13, Revelation 17, etc., ad infinitum.

JohnD70X7 said:

Isaiah 64:6 (NIV84)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Psalm 53:3 (NIV84)
3 Everyone has turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Romans 3:10 (NIV84)
10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

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Let's look at Isaiah 64:6 in context:

The whole chapter is only about Judah.

Isaiah 64:4-11 From of old we have not heard, neither have our eyes seen a God beside Thee, and Thy works which Thou wilt perform to them that wait for mercy. 5 For these blessings shall happen to them that work righteousness, and they shall remember Thy ways: behold, thou wast angry and we have sinned; therefore we have erred, 6 and we are all become as unclean, and all our righteousness as a filthy rag: and we have fallen as leaves because of our iniquities; thus the wind shall carry us away. 7 And there is none that calls upon Thy name, or that remembers to take hold on Thee: for Thou hast turned Thy face away from us, and hast delivered us up because of our sins. 8 And now, O Lord, Thou art our Father, and we are clay, all of us the work of Thine hands. 9 Be not very wroth with us, and remember not our sins for ever; but now look on us, for we are all Thy people. 10 The city of thy holiness has become desolate, Sion has become as a wilderness, Jerusalem a curse. 11 The house, our sanctuary, and the glory which our fathers blessed, has been burnt with fire: and all our glorious things have gone to ruin.LXX


Now let's look at Psalm 53:3 in context:

These are atheists... not Israelites.

Psalms 53:1-6 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, and become abominable in iniquities: there is none that does good. 2 God looked down from heaven upon the sons of men, to see if there were any that understood, or sought after God. 3 They have all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, there is not even one. 4 Will none of the workers of iniquity know, who devour My people as they would eat bread? they have not called upon God. There were they greatly afraid, where there was no fear: 5 or God has scattered the bones of the men-pleasers; they were ashamed, for God despised them. 6 Who will bring the salvation of Israel out of Sion? When the Lord turns the captivity of His people, Jacob shall exult, and Israel shall be glad.LXX

Ligurian said:

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
15:23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and besought Him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped Him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But He answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
28:17 And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted.
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

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JohnD70X7 said:

I'm sorry. I don't see the relevance (or the point you are making) by quoting these scriptures.

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Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:

Galatians 2:7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision;

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom: Peter is Jesus' Disciple, so that's what Peter taught, too. Matthew 10:6-7, Matthew 24:14, Matthew 28:18-20.