Evangelical Lutheran church installs 1st transgender bishop

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In light of 1 Corinthians 2:14 and Ephesians 4:18 ... What's next for the "natural man?"

Don't know if this is better or worse than "female Bishops," for they are a male I believe. I have no idea. Onwards the world goes I guess.
 
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The ELCA already allows both men and women to be bishops -- in other words, a person isn't barred from ordination on account of their gender -- so ordaining transgender and nonbinary people is consistent with the spirit of that existing policy.
 
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Despite that title (which was taken straight from the news report), this is a reference to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), the nation's largest Lutheran branch.

It is not, however, what would be called an "Evangelical church," Lutheran or otherwise, in case anyone sees the small case 'c' there and gets a different idea.
 
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Despite that title (which was taken straight from the news report), this is a reference to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), the nation's largest Lutheran branch.

It is not, however, what would be called an "Evangelical church," Lutheran or otherwise, in case anyone sees the small case 'c' there and gets a different idea.

What's an Evangelical church vs this church? I don't really think I understand the terminology.

It is a crazy thing though, open sinners being allowed a platform to teach anything about the faith... it's not scriptural.
 
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So I didn't see this in my earlier response. Evangelical was first used in Germany to distinguish the reformers from the established Church. To this day it's still a really common part of the name, or in some cases is the same, of most Lutheran CHurches, even mainline churches.

No, Paul would not be shocked.
Paul talks often about all people being sinners, which would include himself. So yes, he probably would be shocked to hear that.
 
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Paul talks often about all people being sinners, which would include himself. So yes, he probably would be shocked to hear that.

I believe you've missed Paul's meaning completely - perhaps read more of what Paul has said. Living in open sin is reason to remove a person from the congregation itself, in the hopes of saving them if they refuse to listen to correction and turn away from sin.

We dont give them a platform to teach from - or haven't you read about Jezebel in Revelations?
 
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Bonkers world we live in.

A Gigantic Sodom and Gomorrah

Really?

I’m thinking of a few Bible verses here.

Matthew 11
23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, LORD of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

The wise and prudent. Who are they in this time?
Revealed to babes. Who are they in this time?

Jeremiah 23
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

Maybe we don’t have a good understanding about Sodom. Or Gomorrah. But the Lord could open our minds. Only He has the power.

Think about the Apostles who followed the Lord around right next to him, who were brought up learning the scriptures in their temple from their religious leaders.
But they did NOT understand the scriptures. Not until the Lord opened their minds.

Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

Also, notice the word “might”.

The Lord can open our minds, but even that doesn’t guarantee that we will understand.

My point: Who of us can cast the first stone? Who of us has had our minds “opened”, so that we might understand the meaning of the scriptures?

Just my thoughts.
 
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What's an Evangelical church vs this church? I don't really think I understand the terminology.

It is a crazy thing though, open sinners being allowed a platform to teach anything about the faith... it's not scriptural.
Hi.

Well, you know that it's become common to refer to fundamentalists or Pentecostal Christians or non-denominational churchgoers and similar churches as "Evangelicals." The media in particular started doing that to differentiate these Christians from the mainstream Protestant churches that we all could name.

In a way, it's a shame, because the word was not previously used in a negative sense or as a way to divide up Bible-believing Protestant denominations.

The topic of this thread deals with a controversial issue and I thought there was a chance that some people, on either side of the issue, would see the term as written in the title of this thread as a general descriptor rather than as the name of a particular church body.
 
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Judging from the article they don't seem to be leading a Biblical lifestyle. Had they transgendered, then been saved and matured in the faith enough to be able to hold a senior leadership position I don't think the fact that they had transgendered before coming to Christ would matter; they had been forgiven. This doesn't seem to be the case though. Like so many they start well by reaching out to others, but then lead in a wrong direction by endorsing sinful behaviour instead of bringing people to repentance, forgiveness and salvation.

In view of the scriptures the OP posts it seems that some parts of the Church are not preaching the true gospel and that may continue. OTH those with the Truth need to proclaim it in love, realising that some people may face issues which those of us who are happy in the gender we were born with don't understand.
 
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