The New Covenant Sabbath is still Friday/Saturday

Albion said:

I'm thinking that the fallacious arguments have to be contended with in a "one at a time" fashion. Your post here seems to me to be a tacit admission that the claim I was referring to ("God doesn't change") is erroneous. So, that's one more step forward.

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I would defer to scripture.

Freth said:

I would defer to scripture.

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Don't we all.

SabbathBlessings said:

A covenant is an agreement, it could be about laws, it could be about anything. The first covenant was broken by the Israelites. The Second Covenant is based on better promises, but nowhere does God say He is writing new laws in our hearts. This teaching is false and leads people to break the holy commandments of God.

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God's covenants contains His standard of righteousness. That means life and death hangs in the balance.
To Adam eating from from a forbidden tree was a commandment that led to death.
To Noah (Gen. 9:1-17) God gave 7 commandments and promised not to flood the earth again. The sign of the covenant was a rainbow. Sorry to point out that Sabbath was not one of those commandments.

1. Not to worship idols.
2. Not to curse God.
3. Not to commit murder.
4. Not to commit adultery, inappropriate behavior with animals, or sexual immorality.
5. Not to steal.
6. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
7. To establish courts of justice.

To Abraham was given the everlasting covenant to blessed all nations through His seed (Jesus). The sign of that covenant was circumcision. Yes, this promise was also called, the gospel preached to Abraham.
Jesus made it clear that circumcision though a law of Moses was was kept on the Sabbath day, because it was a command passed down from Abraham. The Exodus from Egypt shows that God commanded Moses that only those who were circumcised can keep the Passover can join the caravan. (Ex12)
Sabbatarian don't want to process what those fact means. It means that circumcision was given before the Sabbath and had to be kept as a sign of the everlasting covenant.
It also meant that Sabbath had to be broken to circumcise the 8th day of a male's birth, if it falls on the Sabbath.

Scripture in Exodus read what Paul also taught. The law was added to the Abrahamic covenant because the people rebelled in the wilderness.
The law of Moses is called the first covenant in reference to the New or second covenant that was made with the Nation of Israel. The sign of the Mosaic covenant was the Sabbath.
Hopefully you'll point to my errors and not ignore my responses.

As already stated numerous times God did not tell us the New Covenant would have an entirely new law system and all the previously laws would be deleted including the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and stored in the Most Holy of God's Temple. God said:

Jerm 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

This shows the laws were already established. God wrote His laws with His own hand and you're argument is not with me but our Creator and Savior.

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You can state it a zillion times but it's still false. God does attach His laws to His covenants.
At the giving of the Mosaic covenant is your ten commandments. The law is the words of the covenant. God said He would give a new Covenant. God said of the Old Covenant, It was not made with the fathers. (before Moses), and the New would not be like the one made with Moses. Somehow you have the law given through Moses in the New covenant.

First error made is to interpret a prophesy as literal, so it can fit your argument. The new testament reveals more of the Jer 31 prophesy and tells us twice (Heb8,10) that God would write His laws not His law on the hearts.

Jesus repeated the greatest commandments from the Old Covenant and said On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets Matthew 22:40 and Jesus never deleted His Fathers commandments nor is Jesus and God's laws at odds with each other as many people try to falsely make a case for. There is no scripture stating the Ten Commandments has been deleted. Jesus said teaching the least of the commandments you will be least in heaven Matthew 5:19 so that sound serious to me. Least means lost.

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Your arguments here is falsely comprised.... this post has enough issues to address.

We show our love and duty to God when we obey commandments 1-4 and our duty to man when we obey commandments 5-10. You are free to believe as you wish, but Jesus is coming back soon and may have some questions for those who choose to ignore the holy commandments of God, written by our Savior and is stored in the Most Holy of God's Temple. You can have that on your conscious, but not on mine because Jesus said IF you love Me, keep my commandments Matthew 14:15 and came to magnify God's law, not destroy. Isaiah 42:41, Matthew 5:17-20, The New Covenant is about love. We show love to God according to scriptures by our obedience. John 14:15, John 15:10. 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17

Hope this helps. God bless

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No it does not help. It appears that piling together many issues is hard to address and it hides error with truth.
God Bless

BobRyan said:

Amen! you can quote that scripture a zillion times and it is still true as ever! The "New Covenant" detail "in scripture" many people find too "inconvenient to quote"

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Indeed! Sadly too many people think they can change God’s will and believe they can do what the wish without consequences, but we know thats not what scriptures teaches. Just like when Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 which points back to when man was created on the six day and the next day was God’s holy Sabbath. How anyone can interpret the Sabbath was made only for Jews when no scripture states that. Jesus is coming back soon enough and it will all get straightened out. God bless and Happy Sabbath!

Cribstyl said:

God's covenants contains His standard of righteousness. That means life and death hangs in the balance.
To Adam eating from from a forbidden tree was a commandment that led to death.
To Noah (Gen. 9:1-17) God gave 7 commandments and promised not to flood the earth again. The sign of the covenant was a rainbow. Sorry to point out that Sabbath was not one of those commandments.

1. Not to worship idols.
2. Not to curse God.
3. Not to commit murder.
4. Not to commit adultery, inappropriate behavior with animals, or sexual immorality.
5. Not to steal.
6. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
7. To establish courts of justice.

To Abraham was given the everlasting covenant to blessed all nations through His seed (Jesus). The sign of that covenant was circumcision. Yes, this promise was also called, the gospel preached to Abraham.
Jesus made it clear that circumcision though a law of Moses was was kept on the Sabbath day, because it was a command passed down from Abraham. The Exodus from Egypt shows that God commanded Moses that only those who were circumcised can keep the Passover can join the caravan. (Ex12)
Sabbatarian don't want to process what those fact means. It means that circumcision was given before the Sabbath and had to be kept as a sign of the everlasting covenant.
It also meant that Sabbath had to be broken to circumcise the 8th day of a male's birth, if it falls on the Sabbath.

Scripture in Exodus read what Paul also taught. The law was added to the Abrahamic covenant because the people rebelled in the wilderness.
The law of Moses is called the first covenant in reference to the New or second covenant that was made with the Nation of Israel. The sign of the Mosaic covenant was the Sabbath.
Hopefully you'll point to my errors and not ignore my responses.
You can state it a zillion times but it's still false. God does attach His laws to His covenants.
At the giving of the Mosaic covenant is your ten commandments. The law is the words of the covenant. God said He would give a new Covenant. God said of the Old Covenant, It was not made with the fathers. (before Moses), and the New would not be like the one made with Moses. Somehow you have the law given through Moses in the New covenant.

First error made is to interpret a prophesy as literal, so it can fit your argument. The new testament reveals more of the Jer 31 prophesy and tells us twice (Heb8,10) that God would write His laws not His law on the hearts.



Your arguments here is falsely comprised.... this post has enough issues to address.

No it does not help. It appears that piling together many issues is hard to address and it hides error with truth.
God Bless

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According to God, He wrote a covenant of Ten, not nine, eight or seven found in Exodus 20. Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Regardless where the commandments show up in scripture and if the writer repeats only one or two or three of them, that does not mean the others are deleted. Jesus said the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19 we should not break or teach each others to break.

God’s covenant of Ten that God personally wrote and stored in the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple can also be seen in heaven. Revelations 11:19

Jesus tells us that God’s will is the same in Heaven as it is on this earth Matthew 6:9-13

I would advise not to chop up the commandments of God. This is the work of our Creator personally written on stone and is God’s holy laws which includes the holy day of the Lord thy God.

Dave L said:

You live in the wrong covenant. It expired and you are not producing evidence from the NT to support your claims.

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How does this statement you made prove her post wrong?

HIM said:

How does this statement you made prove her post wrong?

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Scripture proves it wrong. Jeremiah 31 says the New Covenant replaced the Old. And SDAs don't keep the Law anyway. They all cook and heat their houses on Saturday when it's 20-.

BobRyan said:

"From Evening to Evening shall you celebrate your Sabbaths" Lev 23

1. The Sabbath is the "seventh day" - in scripture. Ex 20:10
"the seventh day IS the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10

It is not "a seventh day" but "the seventh day" such that in Exodus 16 "tomorrow IS the Sabbath" and for 40 years no manna fell on that exact day.

2. The Sabbath of Ex 20:11 is the very same as the Sabbath of Gen 2:1-3 - sanctified, made holy by God Himself.

Ex 20:11

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.​

Gen 2:1-3

And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made​

Sanctified (made it holy)

3. The moral Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is written on the heart and mind under the "NEW Covenant"

Jer 31:31-34

31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”
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It contains the new heart, new birth with law of God written on the heart
It contains adoption into the family of God
It contains forgiveness of sins

It is the ONE Gospel of Gal 1:6-9

It is unchanged in the NT - Heb 8:6-12

4. That same OT Sabbath is to be kept for all eternity in the New Heavens and New Earth - by ALL Mankind.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

5. The TEN commandments were included in the moral law of God in Eden and applicable to all mankind to this very day as Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic in almost all Christian denominations admit.

The moral Law of God includes the TEN having " 'honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

6. The moral law of God defines what sin IS - even in the N.T.
"sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4

7. The only one of the TEN not explicitly "quoted from" in the N.T. is "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 which does NOT "prove" it is ok to take God's name in vain in the N.T. -- rather it is just a somewhat interesting detail.

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Praise God nice post!

And let's not forget Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept right down to His second coming.


Here in Matt 24:20-30 Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept through the destruction of the Temple up to His Second coming.

How do we know? By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For, and For. All of which connect what is about to be said to what was previously stated. That means that when Jesus speaks of his second coming in verses 27-30 he expected His Disciples to be keeping the Sabbath.



Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Dave L said:

Scripture proves it wrong. Jeremiah 31 says the New Covenant replaced the Old. .

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Still all you are doing is making subjective comments without proof. Jeremiah 31 states the Laws are in our hearts and minds. Ex 20 states the Laws were on tables of stone.

See the difference?

We went from having to obey because we were told to. To wanting to obey through God's Word, through Christ being placed in our hearts and minds.
Behold we are a new creature, all things are new and of God.

HIM said:

Still all you are doing is making subjective comments without proof. Jeremiah 31 states the Laws are in our hearts and minds. Ex 20 states the Laws were on tables of stone.

See the difference?

We went from having to obey because we were told to. To wanting to obey through God's Word, through Christ being placed in our hearts and minds.
Behold we are a new creature, all things are new and of God.

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So what's your problem?

HIM said:

We went from having to obey because we were told to. To wanting to obey through God's Word, through Christ being placed in our hearts and minds.
Behold we are a new creature, all things are new and of God.

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But actually, it was God's purpose all along that His law should be written on our hearts:

O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! (Deuteronomy 5:29)