Hebrews 8 shows us that Christ gave the TEN Commandments - Christ's Commandments

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It's not taken out of context. Paul does not teach two different gospels.


You're free to believe what you want, but we are trying to help you. We show our love to God through obedience not disobedience. Jesus has some stern warnings to those who teach others to disobey God's commandments.

Matthews 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Least means lost, not barely making it into heaven.

Something I would consider praying about.
Not sure that I would agree with your reading of Matthew 5:19

Least in the kingdom of heaven is still in the kingdom of heaven.

No church that I have ever attended says to kill or steal, because you are not under the law.

We are under a greater commandment now, the new covenant commandment.

1 John 2:8
On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Love does not steal, love does not kill!

See how the new covenant commandment to love others, automatically fulfills the requirements of the law, in every way. How simple the yoke of Jesus really is.
 
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Brother, the new covenant is the same as the old covenant in how God saves us. God's salvation has always been through God's grace for our repentance to return to obedience. What do you think animal sacrifices are but God's illustration of His grace through Jesus' future death to bring us back to obedience? When God says in Hebrews 3 and 4 that we must keep the "rest" of the Sabbath, then that is what we must do or suffer the consequences of disobedience, just like those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years because of an "oath" due to their disobedience.

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (2 Timothy 1:9 KJV)​

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Disagree strongly.

The old covenant was a covenant of condemnation, death.

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

What were the decrees against us?
 
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Not sure that I would agree with your reading of Matthew 5:19

Least in the kingdom of heaven is still in the kingdom of heaven.

No church that I have ever attended says to kill or steal, because you are not under the law.

We are under a greater commandment now, the new covenant commandment.

1 John 2:8
On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Love does not steal, love does not kill!

See how the new covenant commandment to love others, automatically fulfills the requirements of the law, in every way. How simple the yoke of Jesus really is.
Love also means you keep holy the Sabbath day. Why pick and choose which commandments are out of love. God has a covenant of Ten that He personally wrote, not nine or eight. God told us to REMEMBER the Sabbath day and keep it holy, so I would think that one especially we should not FORGET!
 
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What were the decrees against us?
Brother, disobedience when we do not "share the faith of those who listened to God"! What are you going to do with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep the Sabbath "rest"? Will you disobey, like those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years before reaching the Promised Land?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

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Love also means you keep holy the Sabbath day. Why pick and choose which commandments are out of love. God has a covenant of Ten that He personally wrote, not nine or eight. God told us toe REMEBER the Sabbath day and keep it holy, so I would think that one especially we should not FORGET!
Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

What were the decrees against us?
 
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Brother, disobedience when we do not "share the faith of those who listened to God"! What are you going to do with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep the Sabbath "rest"? Will you disobey, like those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years before reaching the Promised Land?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

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Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

What were the decrees against us?
 
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Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

What were the decrees against us?
I don’t see in that verse where the holy law of God is no longer a requirement. According to the scripture you posted the certificate of debt was taken out of the way, not the holy laws of God. We know its not referring to the commandments of God because we see they are still being kept by God’s saints Revelations 14:12, Revelations 12:17, Revelations 22:14 right before the Revelations of Jesus Christ.
 
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I don’t see in that verse where the holy law of God is no longer a requirement. According to the scripture you posted the certificate of debt was taken out of the way, not the holy laws of God. We know its not referring to the commandments of God because we see they are still being kept by God’s saints Revelations 14:12, Revelations 12:17, Revelations 22:14 right before the Revelations of Jesus Christ.
Simple question.

What are the decrees against us?

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

You need to answer this question.

The certificate of debt consisted of these decrees against us.

Again, what are the decrees against us?
 
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There is only one person who has ever been obedient to God, and that was His Son.
Brother, listen to Paul boast of his law-based righteousness and we have more help with the Holy Spirit so that our righteousness "surpasses" Paul's.

as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. (Philippians 3:6 NIV)​

Bob S assumes that Jesus' new law supersedes the old ten commandments, when Jesus added to what He gave us before with His own finger and took nothing away, as He tells us below. He expects are glory "surpasses" that of the Pharisees ten commandments, fulfilling more than the ten commandments and no less than the ten commandments.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

"Surpasses" means more and nothing less than the ten commandments. The only way to achieve a "surpassing glory" than the old "glory" of the ten commandments written in stone by Jesus before the incarnation is to obey more laws and no fewer laws than Paul had in the old covenant. The new commandment of Jesus adds to the old commandments and does not replace the old commandments. It is humans who want to do less, when Jesus expects more from us.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)​

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Simple question.

What are the decrees against us?

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

You need to answer this question.

The certificate of debt consisted of these decrees against us.

Again, what are the decrees against us?
I have never read any scripture telling us God's laws are against us. There are many laws, why would you want to automatically assume it would be God's holy laws that He personally wrote and stored in the Most Holy of His Temple. We are told God's laws are holy, spiritual, love, a light to our path, just, righteous that surely does not sound like laws that are against us. Maybe you have the wrong set of laws.

Also re-read that scripture it is talking about the certificate of debt that is being taken away. No where in that scripture says God's holy laws are destroyed and Jesus confirms this fact. Matthew 5:17-20
 
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Brother, listen to Paul boast of his law-based righteousness and we have more help with the Holy Spirit so that our righteousness "surpasses" Paul's.

as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. (Philippians 3:6 NIV)


Gal_2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.



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Gal_2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Brother, the problem with the law, without Jesus, is that no mater how perfect our present and future righteousness is, if there is a stain of breaking the law in our past, we are lost and the law cannot save us from death. The law continues to sentence us to death for that past stain of breaking the law! Jesus' death made it possible to remove the past stain of breaking the law, so that rendered useless is not your present and future righteousness by your past stain of breaking the law.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. (1 John 2:1 NIV)​

Just because Jesus can remove your past stain of breaking the law does not mean that He wants you to continue breaking the law in the present or in the future, as Jesus tells the women below.

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:3-11 NIV)​

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Brother, the problem with the law, without Jesus, is that no mater how perfect our present and future righteousness is, if there is a stain of breaking the law in our past, we are lost and the law cannot save us from death. The law continues to sentence us to death for that past stain of breaking the law! Jesus' death made it possible to remove the past stain of breaking the law, so that rendered useless is not your present and future righteousness by your past stain of breaking the law.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. (1 John 2:1 NIV)​

Just because Jesus can remove your past stain of breaking the law does not mean that He wants you to continue breaking the law in the present or in the future, as Jesus tells the women below.

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:3-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge


Are you claiming you have not sinned since you accepted Christ?

Did Paul have to correct Peter in the Book of Galatians?


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Paul Opposes Peter

Gal 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
Gal 2:12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?


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Are you claiming you have not sinned since you accepted Christ?
Brother, I am saying that I put forth an effort not to sin and when I do sin I turn to God in prayer to forgive me and bring me back to obedience to His will.
Did Paul have to correct Peter in the Book of Galatians?
Yes, because God had told Peter that he "should not call anyone impure or unclean" that God has made clean, even though they are not circumcised. Peter was not standing up for that truth in the presence of other circumcised Jews.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

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If the SDA doctrine only works by ignoring the Gospel
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On the contrary - there is only "ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 and THAT very same Gospel "was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8.

The NEW Covenant IS that one and only Gospel covenant and it can be found in Jer 31:31-34 where we find "I WILL Make a NEW Covenant... THIS IS the Covenant I will make..." which includes " I will write My law on their heart ", it includes adoption into the family of God AND forgiveness of sins according to Jer 31.

That "LAW written on the heart" under the ONE Gospel NEW Covenant - is the moral LAW of God known to Jeremiah and his contemporary readers..

Instead of "ignoring" the Gospel NEW Covenant - our doctrine "relies on it"

Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them;
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Yep - it is the same OT and NT as Jeremiah points out.
 
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Christ gave the Old Covenant on Mount Sinai, to the Jews. All commands relevant to contemporary Christians are found in the New.

Jer 31:31-34 informs us that the LAW of the NEW Covenant is the one already known to Jeremiah and his Readers. "I will make a NEW Covenant... THIS is the Covenant... I will write My LAW on their heart"

Heb 8:6-12 tells us it is Christ's commandments given at Sinai - Christ is the one speaking there.

Jesus reminds us that when He says "KEEP the Commandments" Matt 19 - He is speaking of the commandments in the mosaic Law. The moral law of God that defines what sin is "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 having "' honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
 
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Jer 31:31-34 informs us that the LAW of the NEW Covenant is the one already known to Jeremiah and His Readers.

Heb 8:6-12 tells us it is Christ's commandments given at Sinai - Christ is the one speaking there.

Jesus reminds us that when He says "KEEP the Commandments" Matt 19 - He is speaking of the commandments in the mosaic Law. The moral law of God that defines what sin is "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 having "' honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
Yep, Christ gave the commandments on Sinai. Everything that pertains to Christians, carries over, or is still binding gets reiterated in the New Testament.
 
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Yep, Christ gave the commandments on Sinai. Everything that pertains to Christians, carries over, or is still binding gets reiterated in the New Testament.

Not quite...

1. For example "Do not take God's name in vain" is never quoted in the NT. But it applies anyway even though it is the only one of "the TEN" that is not quoted from in the NT
2. There is no text saying about scripture known to Christ and the disciples "it is to be deleted if not repeated"
 
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Not quite...

1. For example "Do not take God's name in vain" is never quoted in the NT. But it applies anyway even though it is the only one of "the TEN" that is not quoted from in the NT
2. There is no text saying about scripture known to Christ and the disciples "it is to be deleted if not repeated"

Again, if it carries over, it gets covered.

Matthew 5:33-37

Colossians 3:8
 
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