Is the State Department doing more harm than good with the stranded?

Pavel Mosko said:

There's lots of talk with the state department blocking private rescues... Yet they take credit for the results when private rescues happen.


By the way, I also think Biden isn't handling disaster relief post Ida so well either...

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Can you give any credible evidence for either of these statements?

The fact that citizens are still there and that we left a ton of equipment in enemy hands is all the proof I need to know that the handling of this whole situation is completely wrong.

spiritfilledjm said:

The fact that citizens are still there and that we left a ton of equipment in enemy hands is all the proof I need to know that the handling of this whole situation is completely wrong.

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Under the circumstances it is impossible to remove every single citizen from the country.

The "tons of equipment" have been dismantled and/or destroyed prior to US forces leaving.

If the handling of this whole situation is completely wrong, how would you have handled it differently. Facts please.

I wouldn't have pulled out a single soldier until every citizen was taken out of the country. It's common sense. America should not abandon its own.

pescador said:

Can you give any credible evidence for either of these statements?

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When a Trump conservative says "he hears" that Biden isn't doing a good job with Ida--consider the "news?" sources he is probably listening to.
Junk food for the mind at best.

spiritfilledjm said:

I wouldn't have pulled out a single soldier until every citizen was taken out of the country. It's common sense. America should not abandon its own.

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It's not that easy. How exactly would you accomplish this? If we waited until every citizen was taken out of the country we would be there at least another twenty years.

Remember, the previous President promised that American troops would be out by May 1.

spiritfilledjm said:

I wouldn't have pulled out a single soldier until every citizen was taken out of the country. It's common sense. America should not abandon its own.

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American citizen in Afghanistan had more then a year to leave the country but they chose to stay there. I am sure they had good reason to stay there but they knew once American withdraw troops they no longer safe in that country. The time Trump left office, there were 2500 Americans troops in Afghanistan. The reason there were no clash between Taliban and American troops, Taliban knew Americans are leaving.

13 American military personal died during air lifting Afgan-American civilian. It is noble idea that troops should be there until every American citizen out of the country ( impossible job but noble idea). But my question to you, how many American military lives are worth loosing to pull out every American civilian from that country? Would it be an acceptable lose to you if another 25 Americans troops died while they wait for every American civilian out of the country, or you wanted Biden to send more troops to Afghanistan to protect the 2500 who were there?

spiritfilledjm said:

I wouldn't have pulled out a single soldier until every citizen was taken out of the country. It's common sense. America should not abandon its own.

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And if any Afghan risked everything to help America in Afghanistan . . . they could be at least as worthy of rescue as some number of Americans might be.

I just though of another thing . . . though > which is better . . . to evacuate all the machinery . . . or to evacuate people? Possibly, they needed to make priorities. I don't know.

com7fy8 said:

And if any Afghan risked everything to help America in Afghanistan . . . they could be at least as worthy of rescue as some number of Americans might be.

I just though of another thing . . . though > which is better . . . to evacuate all the machinery . . . or to evacuate people? Possibly, they needed to make priorities. I don't know.

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The US Military was in Afghanistan first to get Al Qaeda, then to rid the nation of the
Taliban. Mission accomplished long ago after we got Bin Laden.

The Afghans in Afghanistan were suppose to be helping their country to keep the freedom
they had, not help American Military Forces.

They were paid to do the job, but in the end, they failed to protect their own country and we owe them nothing.

I've been watching the Netflix Series, "Turning Point, 9/11 and The War on Terror."

They begin at the very beginning when we helped the Afghans rid their country of
the Soviet Union forces.

Anyway, it goes through Bin Laden's history and of course the hijackers on 9/11
and then onto the use of torture at GITMO and the Patriot Act.

In remembering what we did to Afghan dirt farmers by rounding them up
and sending them to GITMO or so-called Black-Sites to be tortured, they
were eventually released and I have no doubt, that they are imbedded with the
Afghan Refugees Biden is bringing into the United States. They will be seeking
revenge as is the custom for their culture down to the 3rd generation.

Who can blame them ? I expect to see another 9/11 type terrorist attack, but it
will come from within the refugee groups we've brought here. If I had done to me
what they had done to them, I'd be angry too. I'd be out for revenge except
that my Christian faith prohibits such anger. Such will not be the restraint for them.

Pavel Mosko said:

I haven't watched that mostly because I've been watching Afghanistan since the Soviets invaded. I did noticed the late 80s war movie "The Beast" is available on Amazon Prime for free if you got a subscription. That movie really covers the honor code of that people as far as hospitality, revenge etc.

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I have Amazon Prime, thanks !

The Netflix series, "Turning Point, 9/11 and The War on Terror," also goes into the Soviet Invasion
as well, and provides background on how Al Qaeda was formed with Bin Laden.

The series in all brings back all the blunders the US made in Afghanistan. Paying Afghans to point
out who the Taliban and Al Qaeda people were to the US Troops. The Taliban merely left some
troops behind who ran to the US forces and pointed at a village and told them that they were Taliban. The US Troops would go into those villages and round up every male from as young as 15 up to 80 year old's. They were sent to GITMO and the family members had no idea why they were taken, nor where they were taken to. They didn't hear from their loved one's for a year or more and some never made it home as they died in GITMO. Those Afghans were eventually released
and will seek revenge against the US for what was done to them, you can count on it.

Culture in Afghanistan demands getting revenge against their enemy and the son's down to the
third generation must carry out that revenge.

So, these are most likely among the 5000 Afghan refugees Biden has brought to America. The 2nd largest city in my state of MA, will get 300 refugees. They will bring their culture with them, I have no doubt about it.

Tiberius Lee said:

American citizen in Afghanistan had more then a year to leave the country but they chose to stay there. I am sure they had good reason to stay there but they knew once American withdraw troops they no longer safe in that country. The time Trump left office, there were 2500 Americans troops in Afghanistan. The reason there were no clash between Taliban and American troops, Taliban knew Americans are leaving.

13 American military personal died during air lifting Afgan-American civilian. It is noble idea that troops should be there until every American citizen out of the country ( impossible job but noble idea). But my question to you, how many American military lives are worth loosing to pull out every American civilian from that country? Would it be an acceptable lose to you if another 25 Americans troops died while they wait for every American civilian out of the country, or you wanted Biden to send more troops to Afghanistan to protect the 2500 who were there?

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The duty of the military is to protect America, her interests and her citizens, they should have stayed until every last citizen was evacuated unless the citizen was refusing to evacuate.

spiritfilledjm said:

The duty of the military is to protect America, her interests and her citizens, they should have stayed until every last citizen was evacuated unless the citizen was refusing to evacuate.

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So how many military lives are acceptable loss to you ? 25? 50? 100?

spiritfilledjm said:

The duty of the military is to protect America, her interests and her citizens, they should have stayed until every last citizen was evacuated unless the citizen was refusing to evacuate.

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Absolutely correct. The military should be first boots on the field and last boots off. They had an ideal, secure exit point that has a one mile reinforced perimeter, thousands of vehicles, fully armed men and women and C130 transports with double the runway capability than the Kabul airport.

They had enough armored personnel carriers for every American to be recovered in less than 2 - three hour trips. They had the fire power and manpower to extract every one of them.

Biden gave all of that up and instead pulled out the only protection the citizens had before them.

pescador said:

It's not that easy. How exactly would you accomplish this? If we waited until every citizen was taken out of the country we would be there at least another twenty years.

Remember, the previous President promised that American troops would be out by May 1.

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It's got to be tough to be an anti-Biden troll these days. First the evacuation of Americans got almost everyone out before the end date. Then the Taliban lets the rest leave by chartered flights.

Then the Taliban announces that they are "betrayed" because the Americans disabled almost everything they hoped to use before leaving.

No one knows what side deals Trump and Pompeo made with the Taliban, but they apparently never even told Biden about them.

I just finished watching the Netflix series,
Turning Point: 9/11 and the War on Terror

It showed Trump speaking against the war in Afghanistan way back in 2016
It showed US leaders at the table with Taliban leaders and coming to an
agreement between the US and the Taliban, but also it showed that the US brought
the Afghan Government and Taliban to talks as it showed both sides sitting
across from each other. It's false that Trump didn't have the Afghan government at the
table with the Taliban, the series clearly shows that they did.

It also showed the corruption in the Afghan government and military going as far back as 2002.
The Afghan defense minister ordered camouflage green uniforms for the military in a country with
no jungles. He did so because he got the uniforms cheaper than what the US was paying
for so he could pocket the rest. Right to the day we left Afghan forces are shown in camouflage
green uniforms and US forces in desert colors.

Afghan soldiers were not only mostly illiterate, they were drug addicts and undesirables that
would never have been allowed in the US Military. One US officer said how they went to
a check point and an Afghan guard was so high on heroin, he could barely stand up.

They showed Trump speaking before his election and after and he was right, we should never
have gone into Afghanistan. Biden was right to pull out, but he did it later than May 1st as
agreed upon with the Taliban, and he took the US forces out before the civilians. Actually, Biden
wanted to delay until September 11th to withdraw, but the Taliban refused and stuck to August 31st.

Watch the Netflix series, but be prepared to be upset on how our government
screwed up both in Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11

JimR-OCDS said:

They showed Trump speaking before his election and after and he was right, we should never
have gone into Afghanistan. Biden was right to pull out, but he did it later than May 1st as
agreed upon with the Taliban, and he took the US forces out before the civilians. Actually, Biden
wanted to delay until September 11th to withdraw, but the Taliban refused and stuck to August 31st.

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Biden unilaterally imposed the Sept. 11 deadline, contrary to the wishes of the Taliban. He managed to get about 98% of Americans out of the country anyway, and now the rest are being allowed to leave by charter.