48 Years After Roe v. Wade, Mexico's Supreme Court Decriminalizes Abortion

Fantine · Sep 7, 2021

The unanimous decision came as a result of a challenge to Coahuila's law criminalizing abortion. Coahuila borders east Texas south of San Antonio.

While there are four other Mexican states with fully legal abortion, none are within easy distance of the U.S. border, although the ruling establishes "obligatory criteria" which all other Mexican states will be required to follow.

Mexico's supreme court ruled Tuesday to decriminalize abortion in a unanimous vote.

The ruling marks a major victory for reproductive rights advocates in the country.

It comes after an anti-abortion law recently went into effect in Texas, Mexico's northern neighbor...

In most of Latin America, abortion remains illegal.

"This will not only have an impact in Mexico; it will set the agenda for the entire Latin American region," Melissa Ayala, coordinator of litigation for the Mexican feminist organization GIRE, told The Washington Post of the vote.

Mexico's supreme court unanimously votes to decriminalize abortion

Coahuila borders Laredo on the most well-traveled route between the two countries, 150 miles from San Antonio.

Looking at it objectively, it seems to show that abortion will always be legal somewhere. It is legal in almost all of the northern hemisphere and Australia. If Roe v.s. Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court, it will still be legal in about half the states.

And that brings me to my long-held conclusion. People of good will, if you want to "kill" abortion, you will have to "kill it with kindness." You will have to go after the root causes and address them. In a country with rampant and increasing income inequality (in my state, 47% of workers earn less than $15 an hour) you will have to make childrearing affordable.

Wouldn't it be better taking the money spent on firehouse drop boxes where women can abandon infants safely and using it to build a society that values children, not just fetuses?

Sketcher · Sep 7, 2021

If abortion is seen as an option to be fought for, I don't see how such a crowd of people would value children. The louder the support of abortion, the more children are treated as a burden instead of a blessing.

Hammster · Sep 7, 2021

Throw money at people to keep them from killing their children. I’m not sure that’s such a great plan.

TLK Valentine · Sep 7, 2021

On the plus side, Mexico can look forward to a lot of tourism from Texas women...

.Jeremiah. · Sep 7, 2021

Fantine said:
The unanimous decision came as a result of a challenge to Coahuila's law criminalizing abortion. Coahuila borders east Texas south of San Antonio.

While there are four other Mexican states with fully legal abortion, none are within easy distance of the U.S. border, although the ruling establishes "obligatory criteria" which all other Mexican states will be required to follow.

Mexico's supreme court unanimously votes to decriminalize abortion

Coahuila borders Laredo on the most well-traveled route between the two countries, 150 miles from San Antonio.

Looking at it objectively, it seems to show that abortion will always be legal somewhere. It is legal in almost all of the northern hemisphere and Australia. If Roe v.s. Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court, it will still be legal in about half the states.

And that brings me to my long-held conclusion. People of good will, if you want to "kill" abortion, you will have to "kill it with kindness." You will have to go after the root causes and address them. In a country with rampant and increasing income inequality (in my state, 47% of workers earn less than $15 an hour) you will have to make childrearing affordable.

Wouldn't it be better taking the money spent on firehouse drop boxes where women can abandon infants safely and using it to build a society that values children, not just fetuses?

That’s good news.
Lots of people are forced to go to Mexico for other medical care now, because of our upside down health care system.

Fantine · Sep 7, 2021

Sketcher said:
If abortion is seen as an option to be fought for, I don't see how such a crowd of people would value children. The louder the support of abortion, the more children are treated as a burden instead of a blessing.

Hmmm....

It's obvious that society thinks of children as a burden and not a blessing.

You don't see pro-choicers complaining about paid parental leave, expanding the children's tax credit to reduce child poverty by 50%, free community college, universal pre-K.

You don't see pro-choicers advocating abortion. You see them supporting a decision between women and their doctors.

Let's face it. It is very difficult to demonstrate that children are a blessing without supporting education, healthcare, etc.

Have you heard the phrase "preschool to prison pipeline?" Societies that value children invest in them on the front end to avoid the cost of prisons later.

What I think is most upsetting is that many churchgoers, despite their lip service, vote as if children are a burden.

tstor · Sep 7, 2021

Hammster said:
Throw money at people to keep them from killing their children. I’m not sure that’s such a great plan.

It sounds like a better plan than forcing women to carry a child to term against their will. Providing pregnant women with the support they'll need to have a child is an actual solution. Forcing them into a bad situation isn't a solution; it's moral posturing.

RaymondG · Sep 7, 2021

Hammster said:
Throw money at people to keep them from killing their children. I’m not sure that’s such a great plan.

This thread is not about killing children, it is about aborting fetuses. If you care about them, try to use the terms creates specifically for them, that can be applied to no one else.....instead of trying to obscure their demise by grouping them into a larger group that includes children that had a chance to live outside of the womb.

JSRG · Sep 7, 2021

Does anyone have any information on why the Mexican Supreme Court ruled this way? That is, what their rationale was? In the articles I've found on this, they just say the Mexican Supreme Court said this and the effects it would have, but not why they declared it as such. If the claim is that it's unconstitutional, which part of the constitution does it offend and why? Does anyone know of any analysis--preferably in English, but I'll take Spanish if I have to--that explains this? Ideally I could look at the opinion, but I can't actually find it (the articles don't link to it and I don't see a place on the Mexican Supreme Court's website where there seems to be a list of opinions like there is for our Supreme Court's website), and even if I could, I doubt my Spanish is good enough to be able to make much sense out of a lengthy court opinion.

I was able to find one article that indicated that despite the claim it was unanimous, there was some disagreement among the justices as to how far the ruling should extend. But it didn't give much in the way of specifics.

So anyone know of anything that explains this kind of information about the decision?

rambot · Sep 7, 2021

Hammster said:
Throw money at people to keep them from killing their children. I’m not sure that’s such a great plan.

It's almost literally the only plan that would work. Or at least throwing money to the caregiver of those kid
Legislating it won't work. It's happenned for Millenia and before, it was just toss a baby in a river or what have you. The infanticide page on wiki paints a picture.
Needless to say, I think most people argue that there is a fundamental difference between dropping a 4 week old off a cliff or removing 6 million cells from a uterine wall.
In combination to the fact that the whole first trimester has a 45% loss rate, I just don't think those beings are comparable.

I am very curious though; what steps do you think would be best take to being abortion rates down to 0? I really would like to know. World's your oyster...how does it get done?

Fantine · Sep 7, 2021

My article said it would be updated as more information came available.

Since 4 states had legal abortion it wasn't illegal all over the country, but I think the criminal penalties were being challenged because of their harshness.
I read that some women are still in jail.

I don't think jailing women is appropriate. What if they have other children? What about the "sperm donors," who, as it has been throughout history, are never held responsible?

The doctor in the clinic is the abortionist. Punish him/her if that is the state law.i think a fine would be more appropriate, to be used towards children's assistance programs.

The word used was decriminalization.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
It's almost literally the only plan that would work. Or at least throwing money to the caregiver of those kid
Legislating it won't work. It's happenned for Millenia and before, it was just toss a baby in a river or what have you. The infanticide page on wiki paints a picture.
Needless to say, I think most people argue that there is a fundamental difference between dropping a 4 week old off a cliff or removing 6 million cells from a uterine wall.
In combination to the fact that the whole first trimester has a 45% loss rate, I just don't think those beings are comparable.

I am very curious though; what steps do you think would be best take to being abortion rates down to 0? I really would like to know. World's your oyster...how does it get done?

We could do what we do with all murders and punish them. And actually be biblical about it and put them to death.

Goonie · Sep 8, 2021

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Hammster said:
We could do what we do with all murders and punish them. And actually be biblical about it and put them to death.

Yes put to death rape victims who dared to want control of their own bodies. That'll teach em....

tstor · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
We could do what we do with all murders and punish them. And actually be biblical about it and put them to death.

"Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

Goonie said:
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Yes put to death rape victims who dared to want control of their own bodies. That'll teach em....

Have you ever heard the expression “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

tstor said:
"Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

If that your argument, then no crime can be punished.

Goonie · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
Have you ever heard the expression “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

I'm not the one advocating killing rape victims.

Larniavc · Sep 8, 2021

Sketcher said:
If abortion is seen as an option to be fought for, I don't see how such a crowd of people would value children. The louder the support of abortion, the more children are treated as a burden instead of a blessing.

Seems to be the opposite. When the child is born the anti choice crowd immediately lose interest in the child and appear to actively resist government safety nets for single mothers.

tstor · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
If that your argument, then no crime can be punished.

You're right. We should seek to heal and rehabilitate. That's what Jesus did.

Fantine · Sep 8, 2021

And that is what the criminal justice system should be about, not about warehousing people or creating career criminals. It is more humane and, in the long run, more cost effective.

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