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Brightfame52 said:

Dont you think coming into the knowledge of having ones sins taken away before Gods law and justice and being found not guilty of crimes you committed, is good news.

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Absolutely that is good news. But if you are telling people that they have already been forgiven, and eventually, IF you are one of the chosen ones, God will give you faith. But if they AREN’T one of God’s chosen then there is no hope of ever being saved, then you are distorting the good news and teaching falsehood.

Doug Brents said:

Absolutely that is good news. But if you are telling people that they have already been forgiven, and eventually, IF you are one of the chosen ones, God will give you faith. But if they AREN’T one of God’s chosen then there is no hope of ever being saved, then you are distorting the good news and teaching falsehood.

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Those Christ died for are forgiven, since He purged away their sins Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Those sins are all forgiven. In fact Paul preached to some hearers the forgiveness of sins. Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Purged away sins are forgiven sins. Their guilt is gone

Isa 6:7

And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

Brightfame52 said:

Those Christ died for are forgiven, since He purged away their sins Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Those sins are all forgiven. In fact Paul preached to some hearers the forgiveness of sins. Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Purged away sins are forgiven sins. Their guilt is gone

Isa 6:7

And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

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You seem to be stuck on just a few passages and cannot see the truth, so I will say this only this one last time.

You cannot build your doctrine on just one verse. If your interpretation of that verse is contrary to other Scriptures explicit teaching, then your interpretation is wrong.

Your idea that the sin of an individual has been removed before that person has heard the Word, before they have even heard the name Jesus (let alone what He has done fur us), before they have believed the Word, before they have exhibited faith in the Word, is totally, completely, and absolutely contrary to the complete teaching of Scripture.

There is ALWAYS the requirement of man to take action to receive God’s blessing. Mark 16:16 tells believers to go teach the Gospel to everyone else. And it says that only those who believe the message and are baptized into Christ will receive the benefit of the forgiveness that is only available in the blood of Christ.

Doug Brents said:

You seem to be stuck on just a few passages and cannot see the truth, so I will say this only this one last time.

You cannot build your doctrine on just one verse. If your interpretation of that verse is contrary to other Scriptures explicit teaching, then your interpretation is wrong.

Your idea that the sin of an individual has been removed before that person has heard the Word, before they have even heard the name Jesus (let alone what He has done fur us), before they have believed the Word, before they have exhibited faith in the Word, is totally, completely, and absolutely contrary to the complete teaching of Scripture.

There is ALWAYS the requirement of man to take action to receive God’s blessing. Mark 16:16 tells believers to go teach the Gospel to everyone else. And it says that only those who believe the message and are baptized into Christ will receive the benefit of the forgiveness that is only available in the blood of Christ.

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Im not stuck, just maintaining the Truth. Those folk Christ died for have had their sins purged away, the guilt is gone, they are Justified and forgiven, even before they believe. Now that they are Justified by His Blood, they will be given Faith to believe !

Brightfame52 said:

Im not stuck, just maintaining the Truth. Those folk Christ died for have had their sins purged away, the guilt is gone, they are Justified and forgiven, even before they believe. Now that they are Justified by His Blood, they will be given Faith to believe !

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No, I’m sorry, but that is blasphemy.

Only those who believe in Jesus will be saved.
Only those who are saved are justified.
Jesus is the only name under Heaven by which you must be saved. If you haven’t even heard the name, then there is no way in which you can be saved.

Yes, from God’s perspective all those who are saved will hear the Gospel, will believe it, and will obey it to receive the salvation that is theirs.

But we cannot view this from God’s perspective. From our perspective we are lost in sin from the time we first sin until we hear the gospel, believe, and obey it by being washed in the blood of Christ in baptism.

Randy: "I don't know of a single Christian who doesn't lose his temper on occasion, who doesn't say something hurtful, who doesn't want to have his or her own way on occasion. In fact, I think these temptations and our concession to them are happening all the time, because it is in our nature."



Randy, here is a question for anyone reading this reply to your statements regarding Christianity, and Christ our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus told the men of this world ( worldly men) that they err ( greatly) not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God, and my question towards Randy is, how does he not err exactly the very same way in his above statement?


Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.



Randy says, a Christian who loses his temper on occasion ( they seem to all love using this term, such as a believer rarely, to sin on "occasion" as biblehighlighter expresses often) then when they lose their temper ( on occasion) they say something out of that temper/hurtful.



Now, first looking and remembering, ( as is right to do, remember the Lord God and His word of salvation) the example of Christ, Jesus being grieved for the hardness of peoples hearts was angry, but did not speak hurt ( because by the Spirit, God speaks the words of God, and man cant understand this)..



Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.





Into the verses we go, and the way to the Lord God ( to worship in His Spirit and His Truth) is to instead of being hasty, ( in anger) to wait patiently for Him, this then is to cease from anger, to forsake wrath, ( as the wrath of man works not the righteousness of God) then the man ( of God) needs to understand the way is to be swift to hear, but slow to speak and this is SLOW TO WRATH ( slow to anger)..


James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Psalm 37:7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.



Then when wrath is forsaken from us, we get to know the Lord ( in Spirit and truth) how He is slow to anger, instead is greatly merciful, gracious, full of compassion, ( which we must be too when we put away anger) Then kindness reigns ( not anger any more reigning) and through the tender heart they forgive ( that is Gods slow to anger/wrath forgiveness, through grewat mercy and compassion instead)

Anger is put off, along with wrath ( or we do not put on the righteousness which is of God/put on Christ/ the bond of perfectness) but the new man is renewed in knowledge after the image of God who created us..



Psalm 103:8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Psalm 145:8 The Lord is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:



The deceivers may think only God can be perfect, and only God can be all of the things told to us, slow to anger, slow to wrath ?

The wrathful man is strifeful, but the ones slow to anger appease strife ( are the blessed peace makers)

The ones slow to anger are better than the mighty as they rule their spirit, unlike those who do not have any rule over their spirit, they are broken down, but as the Epistles reveals/confirms, some have POWER OVER THEIR OWN WILL..




Proverbs 15:18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.

Proverbs 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

Proverbs 25:28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Corinthians 7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.




Continuing on, of all man errs from, discretion shall preserve us, understanding shall keep us, when wisdom enters our heart ( Christ is wisdom ) and delivers us from the evil man, they speak froward things, they leave the path of uprightness, to walk in darkness and then rejoice to do evil, as their ways are crooked ( of the crooked serpent their father) and the knowledge ( of Christ/salvation) delivers us from the flatterers.

Discretion of a man defers his anger ( slow to anger slow o wrath to avoid the wrath/ judgment of God) and it is glory to him, to escape the fear of a king ( the King) who on judgment day is as a roaring lion, and who provokes Him to anger sins against their own soul...


Proverbs 2:10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
12 To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
13 Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
15 Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:
16 To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;

Proverbs 19:11 The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression.

Proverbs 20:2 The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: whoso provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God




Wrath is cruel, anger is outrageous ( Randy excused them both to be unavoidable by all ones he ever knew)

But anger rests in the bosom of fools, and we should not be hasty in our spirit to be angry ( required to be of Gods Spirit, renewed in the spirit of our mind, which is then slow to anger, slow to wrath to be the righteousness which is of God)



Proverbs 27:4 Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?

Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.



These are just supporting verses, about patience ( and not anger and wrath) and the trying of our faith is that patience ( to not allow anger, or we follow the many who are not chosen on the wide path to destruction) and patience has her perfect work then ( in us)

An example of the just not returning evil for evil but good, is, the just when condemned do not resist ( the evil )

Above it mentioned to cease from anger, this is also to cease from sin, ( the sinless perfectionism they hate and do not follow at all )..


James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.








Randy: "There is no room for two paths to God--only Christ is the path that both overcomes sin and overcomes judgment, as well. Please don't stress over your humanness, over your flaws. You're not going to have a perfectly loving attitude 100% of the time.

But you can choose a path that is willing to be corrected in each and every occasion that sin rears its ugly head. Christ is that way. Christ is our perfection. And following him is the way that we "perfect ourselves."



Speaking of a perfectly loving attitude, then we should see how love works, and what love does, when it does work ?


Love ( of Christ in us) works no ill, and fulfils all of those commandments which do work ill against our neighbour, by us being a transgressor/ law of God breaker, which is, the defiled, for thiefs, for liars, all that is against the sound doctrine of the glorious Gospel of Christ, then the works of darkness are cast off, to put on Christ, without strife and envying ( which is their dishonesty) by them still making provision ( in their doctrine and lifestyle/belief) to FULFIL THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH, instead of fulfil the law of love ( the law of Christ)..


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.



Now then the feast is kept in a different way, with sincerity and truth, no longer malice and wickedness, as the coveteous and fornicators, are not the unbelievers, the believers are also, fornicating and are coveteous ( they then are the same wicked person)..



1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Doug Brents said:

No, I’m sorry, but that is blasphemy.

Only those who believe in Jesus will be saved.
Only those who are saved are justified.
Jesus is the only name under Heaven by which you must be saved. If you haven’t even heard the name, then there is no way in which you can be saved.

Yes, from God’s perspective all those who are saved will hear the Gospel, will believe it, and will obey it to receive the salvation that is theirs.

But we cannot view this from God’s perspective. From our perspective we are lost in sin from the time we first sin until we hear the gospel, believe, and obey it by being washed in the blood of Christ in baptism.

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You call the fact that those Christ died for, and purged away their sins as announced in Heb 1:3 blasphemy ? Thats so funny !

Doug: "Only those who are saved are justified.
Jesus is the only name under Heaven by which you must be saved. If you haven’t even heard the name, then there is no way in which you can be saved.

Yes, from God’s perspective all those who are saved will hear the Gospel, will believe it, and will obey it to receive the salvation that is theirs."






Speaking of justified Doug, if we seek to be justified by Christ saving us, we hear Christ who is not the minister of sin, then we hear Him ( Jesus Christ) when we do not make ourselves be following the transgressors names ,( teachers) instead, as all other names ( teachers/ministers) save nobody, that is why their word fails to mention the righteousness of the law being fulfilled in us, ( as the breaking of it is accomplished in them and in their testimonies/ teaching)...


Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.




Doug: " But we cannot view this from God’s perspective. From our perspective we are lost in sin from the time we first sin until we hear the gospel, believe, and obey it by being washed in the blood of Christ in baptism."



The baptism of Christ is the answer of a good conscience, this is the resurrection of Jesus Christ ( in us in belief) and to avoid talk of the new covenant, of Christ writing His laws in our heart is a good conscience to all in the discussion so far..




1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:




Why would anyone hear the hundreds of thousands now, ( tens of thousands of teachers in times past) who are no example of the only example to follow ( Christ) and the Apostles did live the same way, no certain dwelling place, ( they gave all of their life away to follow Christ) they were buffeted ( by not living as all around them) were reviled, but did not return evil/anger, they had the persecutions ( sufferings and afflictions) of Christ, made as the filth of the world, ( despairing and hating their life in this world) and any ones who cannot show this in their walk, or their talk even, as the deceivers who entered the flock..


1 Corinthians 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Brightfame: "You call the fact that those Christ died for, and purged away their sins as announced in Heb 1:3 blasphemy ? Thats so funny !


Maybe it is funny also, that engaging in foolish questions, which gender strife, is not anything to do with Christ at all. That by the way, is not the standard of righteousness, ( but is the devils idea of it of course) which Brightfame and Doug are caught in.



Christ died for them, purged their sins, so their sins are purged before they are called by name.

Before they follow Him ( those sins are purged and the new heart Spirit is given it is the new covenant).

They follow and believe because they are made to see, and made to return from going astray, they do not go astray again or never were called back by Christ, and He is not a fool as men are, to go and seek His sheep and let them go away again, that is denying what Christ died for, and why he had to die, which is, to stop the sheep ever going astray again ( to death) and now they follow Him ( who is their life)

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Brightfame52 said:

You call the fact that those Christ died for, and purged away their sins as announced in Heb 1:3 blasphemy ? Thats so funny !

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I see that you cannot understand what I write any better than you can understand Scripture.

I did not say that Heb 1:3 was blasphemous. I said your interpretation that it impacts an individual before they believe is blasphemous.

Doug Brents said:

I see that you cannot understand what I write any better than you can understand Scripture.

I did not say that Heb 1:3 was blasphemous. I said your interpretation that it impacts an individual before they believe is blasphemous.

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I see you cant understand that those Christ died for, He purged away their sins, Not Guilty ! Heb 1:3

@RandyPNW

Again I disagree with your view of sin and salvation. I provided verses to you before that should refute your line of thinking (that you proposed last time we talked).

Besides, going back and forth with you at this time is not something I am interested in. I am actually looking to take a break from the forums for a good while (seeing it can many times grieve my soul). I have other projects for the Lord for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

May you blessed in the Lord (even if we disagree on Scripture).

Please be well.

Sincerely,

BL. Highlighter.

BibleHighlighter: "Grievous sin is any sin that the Bible mentions that leads to hellfire or condemnation. This would be looking at women in lust, hating, backbiting, lying, etc.; Minor transgressions or faults do not lead to condemnation by God in the afterlife, or hellfire."



Lying is a grievous sin, lusting, hating, backbiting, all of that is straight forward to understand they are unkind, selfish sins, they are the opposing to love, and are also when someone has the works of the devil in them ( which Jesus destroyed)


What is up for question now is, what exactly did Jesus not destroy, when He did destroy the works of the devil ( of darkness) ?

I do wonder what minor transgressions are, but I saw someone else give example of anger, so that was easy to show, ( in the Spirit of understanding) that we cast those off too, anger, wrath, as the wrath of man brings not the righteousness of God.







Randy: "I believe *any sin* brings about separation from God, aka "death." This would lead to the "2nd Death" if it wasn't for Christ's redemption of Man.

The kind of sin that condemns Man to the "2nd Death" is sin intended by the man to divorce himself from God. All sin is a kind of separation from God's word, but it is not always intended to produce a complete or final separation from God Himself."





Randy then understands in his way, that any sin acts as separation from the Holy Lord God.


Then Randy understands the redemption of Christ stops the divorce of God from man.


Randy then states that sin separates now from Gods word, but not a separation from God.






It is fairly simple then, to see what this new relationship is with God ( married to another) and how it works as Gods word ( when we are not separated from it) tells us..


First God betroths us to Him in righteousness, in His judgments, this is in His lovingkindness ( from Him and in us now) in the grace and mercies, ( the elect are saved by mercies, and mercy rejoices against judgment) and God will even betroth us to Him in FAITHFULNESS, which all of this is to know the Lord..


Hosea 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.



God broke us from the law of sin and death ( ass that is what is testified that separated us from God and Gods word) by the body of Christ to be married to another, to bring forth fruit to God..



Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.



Now the church is subject to Christ, in everything, and Christ gave Himself for the church, to present it back to Himself cleansed, washed by the word, to be glorious, not having spot ( in us) no wrinkle, or any such thing, but being holy and that is without blemish. ( if it has those blemishes it would not be redeemed at all, that is not presentable to Christ)

Now, we understand love, as we cherish our own bodies, so we cherish others the very same ( or it is false) and the Lord loved the church in this way ( for us to believe )

Then being members in His flesh, we are one together, this is the great mystery of Christ and His church..


Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.



The mystery continues, we are the temple of God, the Spirit of God dwelling in us, not to be defiled ( it is more than separated from Gods word then) it is separated from God, and to be destroyed too..


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.



Two joined together are one, and he that is joined to the Lord is one 9 Spirit and also members of His flesh and His bones)

The man that commits fornication sins against his own body ( as this is the temple of the Holy Lord God)

We then glorify God in our body and in our Spirit ( as they are God's)....



1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


No agreement with coveting, with idols, has our temple of the Holy Ghost, this is why, we come out from among them ( sinners and those who deny Christ through evil works) and stop touching what is unclean ( to be cleansed by the washing of water, of regeneration and cleansed of all unrighteousness, to be renewed in the spirit of our mind) then God receives us ( as he cannot until then) then God is a Father to us and we are His sons and daughters, so said the Lord Almighty..


2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Brightfame52 said:

I see you cant understand that those Christ died for, He purged away their sins, Not Guilty ! Heb 1:3

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First, Christ died for everyone. There is no one that does not fall under John 3:16 or 2 Pet 3:9.
Second, Christ paid for all sins on the cross, but each individual does not receive the benefit of that sacrifice until they hear the Gospel and believe it.

Doug Brents said:

First, Christ died for everyone. There is no one that does not fall under John 3:16 or 2 Pet 3:9.
Second, Christ paid for all sins on the cross, but each individual does not receive the benefit of that sacrifice until they hear the Gospel and believe it.

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Christ died for everyone whose sins have been purged away, which is their Justification.

Randy; "But having this new nature inside us, though it enables us to walk in righteousness regularly, does not make us perfect. It allows us to *be perfected* in the sense that we are always conforming to a perfect standard, despite the internal flaws that we all have due to our sin nature."


That is a lot of assumption on from two verses of 1 John 1.

Conforming, what is told to us for that ?

Our bodies presented to God as a living sacrifice, holy acceptable unto God, ( as this worlds idea of conformed is what is not acceptable and contains unholiness)

The standard is conformed to the image of the Son ( the image of the divine) we received, this is to be called, justified and glorified ( no longer falling short of the glory of God)..


Romans 12:I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.