Joe Rogan Tests Positive For COVID 19: Doctor Reacts | Dr Chris Raynor

Space Monkey said:

So is the natural immune system seeing as 98-99% survive depending on whose statistics you want to use. Natural immunity from prior infection is doing a great job too.

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Why do you think 99% survival rate is a *good* number?

That's 1 in 100 people DIE. I suspect you've never had an infectious disease where you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from it (unless you had COVID). I know I haven't. I suspect most of the people on this board making that argument haven't either.

Hans Blaster said:

Why do you think 99% survival rate is a *good* number?

That's 1 in 100 people DIE. I suspect you've never had an infectious disease where you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from it (unless you had COVID). I know I haven't. I suspect most of the people on this board making that argument haven't either.

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I had Covid in January and I have high blood pressure and over 200 PVC runs in my heart every day.

He's probably been vaccinated but was playing it like he wasn't to appeal to his fans. He may be eating horse paste though.

Space Monkey said:

I had Covid in January and I have high blood pressure and over 200 PVC runs in my heart every day.

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So, it's survivors' bias "I survived so it ain't that bad" then?

Elliewaves said:

He's probably been vaccinated but was playing it like he wasn't. He may be eating horse paste though.

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Not just that , but what his doctor recommend. Monoclonal antibodies.

Taodeching said:

Fixed it, very sorry about that.

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I see now, thank you.

So basically, he "threw the kitchen sink at it"

Kitchen sink = 2 things that work (monoclonal antibodies, steroids), 2 things that are sketchy with regards to being a covid treatment (ivermectin and azithromycin), and one that *might* help as supportive therapy (vitamin supplementation via a drip)


The takeaway that will be prevalent among some of his followers who are prone to want to be against the mainstream at all costs will be "Joe cured himself using z-pak and Ivermectin!"


In reality, the reason why Joe recovered so quick is because (despite some of the wacky views he has from time to time on some various topics), the areas where he shines is his physical fitness and eating cleaner than most Americans do. (broken clock is right twice a day)

The reality is, anyone who's in this kind of shape...


...is going to be able to handle the virus better than a person who's over 65, or is overweight or has preexisting conditions.

A physically fit person who works out all the time and in their low-50's isn't in any sort of "high risk" category, and you add monoclonal antibodies and prednisone (or dexamethasone) - which are shown to lessen the effects once infected - it's not surprising that he was feeling bad on Sunday, but better by Wednesday...that's pretty much the expected result.

People shouldn't be using Joe Rogan's personal experience as evidence of "Ivermectin works!". If you take a very physically fit person, and give them two proven treatments on top of that, the prognosis is good. He could've tried acupuncture or essential oils in addition to the aforementioned things, and his outcome would've been the same, it wouldn't lend any credibility to acupuncture or essential oils as a valid covid treatment.


But, the underlying message that needs to be conveyed, is that despite some of his talk downplaying the virus, the fact that he wanted to "throw the kitchen sink at it" (regardless of what he feels the kitchen sink is, or how silly some of the dishes are in that "sink"), when it came down to it, he was more worried about it than he led on.

Hans Blaster said:

So, it's survivors' bias "I survived so it ain't that bad" then?

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I can understand that feeling. I had it as well and was never close to being hospitalized. But a coworker that caught it at the same time as I did reinforced how dangerous it can be. She did go to the hospital. She did not go home.

Hans Blaster said:

Why do you think 99% survival rate is a *good* number?

That's 1 in 100 people DIE. I suspect you've never had an infectious disease where you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from it (unless you had COVID). I know I haven't. I suspect most of the people on this board making that argument haven't either.

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The survival rate of covid infection is much higher than 99%. If you count the entire population, even the ones who've never had the virus, the survival rate becomes 99.97%.

If you then consider that since the dawn of time, the number of people that have ever existed is about 100 billion, now the survival rate becomes 99.999996%.

And if you take into account that embryos are people, with a 50% spontaneous miscarriage rate you can easily get to 200 billion people. So then the survival rate becomes 99.999998%.

If you add to that the fact that pretty much every person has at least 1 imaginary friend, boom, 99.999999% survival rate baby.

ranunculus said:

The survival rate of covid infection is much higher than 99%. If you count the entire population, even the ones who've never had the virus, the survival rate becomes 99.97%.

If you then consider that since the dawn of time, the number of people that have ever existed is about 100 billion, now the survival rate becomes 99.999996%.

And if you take into account that embryos are people, with a 50% spontaneous miscarriage rate you can easily get to 200 billion people. So then the survival rate becomes 99.999998%.

If you add to that the fact that pretty much every person has at least 1 imaginary friend, boom, 99.999999% survival rate baby.

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On the other hand, nobody is going to survive taking the vaccine. For some, the long term effects might take a few decades to take hold, obviously.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Joe Rogan-Wikipedia doesn't show him having medical experience at all. I'm not sure why anyone would depend on him for medical info regarding COVID-19.

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Because he tells people things that they wish were true.

ranunculus said:

The survival rate of covid infection is much higher than 99%. If you count the entire population, even the ones who've never had the virus, the survival rate becomes 99.97%.

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Similarly, shot in the head isn't that bad because most people have never been shot in the head. Must be big pharma conspiring with international bankers to make people think that getting shot in the head is actually a bad thing.

As Adult ICU Patients Hit Record Highs for the Pandemic, New Report Shows Unvaccinated People Are More Than 15 Times More Likely to Die From COVID-19 Compared to Vaccinated People
As Adult ICU Patients Hit Record Highs for the Pandemic, New Report Shows Unvaccinated People Are More Than 15 Times More Likely to Die From COVID-19 Compared to Vaccinated People | NCDHHS

It is hard to believe this is still debated.

1rreducibly Complex said:

Joe Rogan contracted COVID-19.

After recommending the public not take COVID vaccines.

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So he tested positive, as have millions of others. Is he sick? Is he hospitalized? Did he die? (I have not followed this, but these are the relevant questions).

ranunculus said:

The survival rate of covid infection is much higher than 99%. If you count the entire population, even the ones who've never had the virus, the survival rate becomes 99.97%.

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First of all, that's not how you calculate survival rate. The survival rate for child birth, for example, should at least not include anyone who has never been pregnant.

But, let's try your "numbers"...

If the "survival rate" (for the whole population) is 99.97%, then then death rate is 0.03%, or 3 in 10,000, or 300 per million. The US population is 330 million. 300/million * 330 million = 100,000 (since I already did some rounding. If you've got a problem, I can do a 5-post lecture on significant digits...)

Now how many people in the US have died from COVID-19? ~650,000 (or at least there will be that many by the end of this week). That's more than six times the death rate your alleged 99.97% survival rate implies. Almost 0.2% of Americans have already died of COVID-19, so the death rate must be higher for the infected (and the survival rate lower than 99.8%.) And don't bother arguing that some people have had it twice, because for every person who's had two cases of COVID-19, I'm sure we can find 10 more that haven't had it at all.

Sad to hear this news. I actually like Joe Rogan and think he can be a pretty thoughtful guy.. but man.. he's been making some bad takes lately. If what I am hearing about him is correct.. ever since he left Youtube I haven't been listening to his podcasts.

The trouble with being a public figure.. in many ways it's so easy to become a slave to the mob.

Hans Blaster said:

First of all, that's not how you calculate survival rate. The survival rate for child birth, for example, should at least not include anyone who has never been pregnant.

But, let's try your "numbers"...

If the "survival rate" (for the whole population) is 99.97%, then then death rate is 0.03%, or 3 in 10,000, or 300 per million. The US population is 330 million. 300/million * 330 million = 100,000 (since I already did some rounding. If you've got a problem, I can do a 5-post lecture on significant digits...)

Now how many people in the US have died from COVID-19? ~650,000 (or at least there will be that many by the end of this week). That's more than six times the death rate your alleged 99.97% survival rate implies. Almost 0.2% of Americans have already died of COVID-19, so the death rate must be higher for the infected (and the survival rate lower than 99.8%.) And don't bother arguing that some people have had it twice, because for every person who's had two cases of COVID-19, I'm sure we can find 10 more that haven't had it at all.

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I wasn't serious. Only making fun of the memes I've seen claiming a 99.97% survival rate. A number most likely achieved by dividing the entire population by number of deaths. Which is of course not how you calculate that.
Because by the same token I could claim that the Challenger explosion had a 99,9999999986% survival rate because only 7 people died out of a total world population of 5 billion.

ranunculus said:

I wasn't serious. Only making fun of the memes I've seen claiming a 99.97% survival rate. A number most likely achieved by dividing the entire population by number of deaths. Which is of course not how you calculate that.
Because by the same token I could claim that the Challenger explosion had a 99,9999999986% survival rate because only 7 people died out of a total world population of 5 billion.

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After writing my post, I read the rest of yours carefully, and thought this might be the case, but we must remember "Poe's Law" (That it is impossible to differentiate between a well constructed parody and an extremist true belief on the internet. It was originally about creationists and was formulated on CF.)

Unfortunately, there are too many people who actually believe the things you wrote as a joke. I've answered many of them on this board, including possibly with some participants in this thread.