It get's personal for Biden

Poor man. He "got tangled in the bureaucracy" when Steven Miller got Trump to hold up SV1 visas. Another Trump victim. How many more are victimized by his administration's ethnic and religious xenophobia.

Fantine said:

Poor man. He "got tangled in the bureaucracy" when Steven Miller got Trump to hold up SV1 visas. Another Trump victim. How many more are victimized by his administration's ethnic and religious xenophobia.

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Biden saved by man who is now asking Biden to save him.

But Trump!

It's never not funny.

If Biden would call one of the Military commander to help this guy, Trump supporter would say “Nepotism”. Now that Biden didn’t take any special care for this guy, he is ineffective leader.

The “crocodile tears” of Trump supporter are shocking. They are sad that Biden couldn’t bring some of these Afghani to US, but these same very people don’t mind sending back innocent young kids who walked over 1000 miles from El Salvador to US for better lives.

Fantine said:

Another Trump victim.

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You spelled 'Biden' wrong.

does biden remember him

Once Trump set an exit date, he should have expedited SV1 visas for all who helped us. Instead he actively prevented these desperate people from getting visas because of antipathy to Muslims who don't own a few dozen oil wells.

Has this translator not been prevented from getting his paperwork processed he would be here already.

I know that Biden will do whatever he can to help him.

Pavel Mosko said:

OK that checks out, but do you think this is really all on Trump? And if you do is this not an indirect admission that Biden and his staff were never really up for the job since they seem to be sleep walking there way through this?

It's amazing how Biden is never fully responsible for anything no matter how much his finger prints are present on the issue. Is Trump responsible for Biden screwing up going to the memorial service (looking at his wrist-watch frequently when coffins coming off the plane) and meeting with the families of the recently fallen servicemen (talking more about his own dead son than listening to them)?

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None of this is about Trump. Nothing Biden does can be blamed on Trump. Biden is a very experienced, wise and cognitively sound man of diplomatic prowess. What Biden does and how he treats people who helped in the past...is not connected to Trump. Trump shouldn't even be mentioned in any posts in this thread as that is totally off topic and "hate" speech to someone who is no longer in power.

I think it's about time that people realize that Trump is not in control and no longer responsible.
So, they need to ask Biden the questions... I'm sure he will answer them.

Sure.

Can I be any clearer? I don't think President Biden is to blame for the Afghan interpreter's being stranded--nor is President Biden to blame for any other Afghan aides' inability to leave because they did not have their papers due to their difficulties with massive bureaucracy--a massive bureaucracy deliberately created to prevent any Afghan citizens from entering the U.S.

But let's not blame Trump.

Blame Steven Miller, whose xenophobic words are all over the internet, wherever you look. If the "cook" has poisoned the dinner, do you blame the waiter who happened to serve it to you?

Fantine said:

Sure.

Can I be any clearer? I don't think President Biden is to blame for the Afghan interpreter's being stranded--nor is President Biden to blame for any other Afghan aides' inability to leave because they did not have their papers due to their difficulties with massive bureaucracy--a massive bureaucracy deliberately created to prevent any Afghan citizens from entering the U.S.

But let's not blame Trump.

Blame Steven Miller, whose xenophobic words are all over the internet, wherever you look. If the "cook" has poisoned the dinner, do you blame the waiter who happened to serve it to you?

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Seems to me that the people who are now in power should have taken the time to do it properly. Even Biden's military leaders are now admitting to the fact that it was done improperly.

But I agree with your one statement "Let's not blame Trump".

Fantine said:

Sure.

Can I be any clearer? I don't think President Biden is to blame for the Afghan interpreter's being stranded--nor is President Biden to blame for any other Afghan aides' inability to leave because they did not have their papers due to their difficulties with massive bureaucracy--a massive bureaucracy deliberately created to prevent any Afghan citizens from entering the U.S.

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I do blame Biden for that. The interpreters were already well security vetted, and certain other aides would have been as well. The DoD could have evacuated them and their families at the same time they evacuated the military units they were embedded with. They could have been taken to a location like the UAE until processed by the State Department, which should be faster because they're already vetted.

Remember that both the DoD and the State Department work for Biden. He could have made it happen.

If you want to see how valuable people will be to the United States as immigrants, look at what kind of societies they have built in their countries of origin and ask yourself: “Do I want my country to become more like that?”

Fantine said:

Once Trump set an exit date, he should have expedited SV1 visas for all who helped us. Instead he actively prevented these desperate people from getting visas because of antipathy to Muslims who don't own a few dozen oil wells.

Has this translator not been prevented from getting his paperwork processed he would be here already.

I know that Biden will do whatever he can to help him.

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I believe we have this backwards. Our Military was there to help Afghans. So, those who
Afghans who provided aid to the US Forces, were helping their nation. But now people say
we owe them because they were helping us. No, we were there trying to help them. Because
they couldn't take control of their country isn't our fault and we owe them nothing because
they failed.

Revelation that Trump's guy in DoD prevented many of Afghans who aided Americans from being rescued.

Pavel Mosko said:

OK that checks out, but do you think this is really all on Trump?

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Hard to say. Trump clearly wasn't completely aware of many things at least in the last two years of his term. So it could have been mostly Miller.

On the other hand, there were lots of generals and civilian administrators who were telling hm what Stephen Miller was doing to betray our friends.

He really has no excuse, unless he was far more impaired than we know at this time.

Pavel Mosko said:

"He's that guy....you know the name!"

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"They called 'im Corn Pop! He was a bad dude. Yeah, that's the ticket!"

JimR-OCDS said:

I believe we have this backwards. Our Military was there to help Afghans. So, those who
Afghans who provided aid to the US Forces, were helping their nation. But now people say
we owe them because they were helping us. No, we were there trying to help them. Because
they couldn't take control of their country isn't our fault and we owe them nothing because
they failed.

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I agree to some point to some extent. The US went there to make a safe place for these people to live. Invested money and lives into it for 20 years. Doesn't look like the people wanted to fight that hard for it.

However, the US military gave these people protection from those that want to kill them for their role in the fight. Now, they are just left exposed and the data is there for the Taliban to find them and do who knows what to them.

The US should have moved out the expats, US citizens, Afghans who are in danger do to their aiding the US forces and anyone else who would be targeted without the protection of the US military. They should then have moved out any equipment, guns, ammunition, planes, data, computers that the Taliban could use against the people.. Then, hold the air force base and pull out. Last people out would close the door. Walk away and let it be.

JacksBratt said:

The US should have moved out the expats, US citizens, Afghans who are in danger do to their aiding the US forces and anyone else who would be targeted without the protection of the US military. They should then have moved out any equipment, guns, ammunition, planes, data, computers that the Taliban could use against the people.. Then, hold the air force base and pull out. Last people out would close the door. Walk away and let it be.

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Here's the problem:

'Racist hysteria': Former Trump insider reveals the ex-president and Stephen Miller sabotaged Afghan refugees
https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/afghan-refugees-2654738536/