WHEN was Israel set aside ?

If Israel was set aside then why will the world always revolve around Jerusalem? What I mean, is that all the events of Revelation occur there, there is the 144,000 and the fact that at the end of it all we will all reside with Christ in New Jerusalem, the new heaven and new earth. There are still promises that God made to the Israelites that will not come to fruition until the events of Revelation. No, I say they are still very much God's chosen people...He just also adopted a whole bunch more as His own too.

Dan Perez said:

And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?

And would exclaim the difference between Law and GRACE .

And explain water Baptism ?

And explain the Baptism for the Dead ?

what say you ?

dan p

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And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?
Yes, set aside to bring in the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is no longer set aside for the Messiah, this has been fulfilled. It is now set aside for belivers made up of Jews and Gentiles who are in the Body of Christ, aka the " grafting into the vine".

And would exclaim the difference between Law and GRACE .
The Law, aka the Torah, was given to the nation Israel. This is considered as the Old Covenant which carried no power through the Holy Spirit. Obedience was strictly achieved through the power of man.
Now, under the New Covenant, the remnant of Israel and the believing Gentiles, we are under "grace" which is the indwelling of His Holy Spirit instead of the Law. In other words, Jesus Christ of Nazareth explained it as the "law written in our hearts" or "the circumcision of the heart".

And explain water Baptism ?
John the Baptist explained it perfectly :
Luke 3:
15 Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John, whether he was the Christ or not, 16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

And explain the Baptism for the Dead ?
This is emerson in unquenchable fire. Read John the Baptist above he explains it.

Dan Perez said:

And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?

And would exclaim the difference between Law and GRACE .

And explain water Baptism ?

And explain the Baptism for the Dead ?

what say you ?

dan p

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I cannot understand what you mean by “set aside”

But, imo, the country of Israel is of no relevance to anything related to true Christians.

Dan Perez said:

And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?

And would exclaim the difference between Law and GRACE .

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Israel was never set aside, because the Everlasting Covenant, in Genesis 17:13, is forever.
And Jesus taught Israel the laws of the Kingdom, under Peter's stewardship... and Peter is told to feed Jesus' sheep in John 21:15-19, and what to feed them, in Matthew 10:6-7 and Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:18-20: The good news of the Reign of the Heavens.

Dan Perez said:

And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?

And would exclaim the difference between Law and GRACE .

And explain water Baptism ?

And explain the Baptism for the Dead ?

what say you ?

dan p

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Look at how the Church was thinking. What was their frame of mind? "So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” Acts 1:6 ESV

They expected Jesus to sit as Israel's King in the land of Judea and rule over the Gentile nations as His kings and priests. Instead they as well as us are still waiting.

The Israel of God was never set aside, we get distracted about what being a Christian is all about. Law vs. Grace, the example of the one thief on the cross sets a rather low bar for salvation and the possibility of rejecting the Holy Spirit is certainly implied by Jesus warning and cautioning the disciples about it.

Water Baptism is a not only a symbolic rebirth, it's a clear indication that Christ did what Adam failed to do. We were once dead without Christ but now live with the expectation to be raised from the dead like Him.

Maria Billingsley said:

It is now set aside for belivers made up of Jews and Gentiles who are in the Body of Christ, aka the " grafting into the vine".

Now, under the New Covenant, the remnant of Israel and the believing Gentiles, we are under "grace" which is the indwelling of His Holy Spirit instead of the Law. In other words, Jesus Christ of Nazareth explained it as the "law written in our hearts" or "the circumcision of the heart".

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From these 2 paragraphs of yours, you are believing that the Body of Christ has become the House of Israel and Judah of Hebrews 8:8?

Guojing said:

From these 2 paragraphs of yours, you are believing that the Body of Christ has become the House of Israel and Judah of Hebrews 8:8?

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You are ignoring the fact that on the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36, and on that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Matthew 26:28.

The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.


Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.


Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—


Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.


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BABerean2 said:

You are ignoring the fact that on the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36, and on that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Matthew 26:28.

The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.


Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.


Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—


Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.


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I was asking him a question about what he believes in. Are you answering for him?

Guojing said:

From these 2 paragraphs of yours, you are believing that the Body of Christ has become the House of Israel and Judah of Hebrews 8:8?

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Yes, supersessionism.

Maria Billingsley said:

Yes, supersessionism.

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Thanks for clarifying clearly.

Dan Perez said:

And , most confusion seems to be , was Israel ever side aside ?

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Except for a remnant (Romans 11:5), Israel was broken off the one olive tree of God's people (Romans 11:20) when they rejected Christ, and the kingdom of God was given to the Gentiles (Matthew 21:43).

Dan Perez said:

And when reading 2 Cor 3:14 that vail remains UNTAKEN AWAY / ME and it is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that God placed that covering over their hearts and only God will take that covering from their hearts as written in Rom 11:26 .

Their is one exception , in verse 16 , Bur when he ( who ever is reading Moses ) and turns toward the Lord , that COVERING is being taken AWAY .

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That would be the remnant who are being saved, right? (Romans 11:5)

All should know what happens then ?

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The veil is removed only in Christ.
Only those who have received the new covenant in Christ have the power to see how the new covenant surpasses and replaces the old covenant, because of its greater glory.

Was all the LAW taken away ?

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It was all taken away for righteousness, while the Decalogue was subsumed into Jesus' two commandments of love--Matthew 23:37-40. (Romans 13:8-10)

How are Jews saved today ?

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The same way anyone else is saved today, through faith (not by its works) in Jesus Christ
(Ephesians 2:8-9).

How was Adam and Eve then saved ?

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Through faith in the promise (Genesis 3:15, Jesus Christ).

Dan Perez said:

And I still have not seen where the Body of Christ has anything to do with the NEW COVENANT, can you produce a verse saying that the B O C is keeping the NEW COVENANT ?

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You're kidding right? . . .

Hagar and Sarah represent two covenants (Galatians 4:24).
Hagar represented the Old Sinaitic Covenant and slavery to the law in the earthly Jerusalem, while
Sarah represented the New Covenant and freedom from the law in the New Jerusalem (Galatians 4:24-26),
where we are now (not future) children of the free woman (Galatian 4:31), who represents the New Covenant (Galatians 4:26, 31).
Believers in Jesus Christ are now in the New Covenant, of which he is the Mediator.

"Christ is the Meditor of a New Covenant, that those who are called (i.e., the body of Christ, Romans 8:30) may receive the promised eternal inheritance." (Hebrews 9:15)
The body of Christ is the "called" (Romans 8:30) who receive the promised inheritance in the New Covenant.

You have come (now, not future) to. . .Jesus the Mediator of a new covenant. (Hebrews 12:22-24)
Jesus mediates the New Covenant now to those who believe in him.

I do agree that the New Covenant will replace the the OLD COVENANT and not until Christ reigns at his coming .

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Where do you come up with this contra-NT stuff?. . .certainly not in authoritative NT teaching.

Dan Perez said:

And all of your quotes are spoken to Israel and
you added ( ie , the body of Christ ) which is Not in Heb 9:15 , WHY ??

dan p

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Because "those who are called" (Hebrews 9:15) refers to the current born again, "the called" (Romans 8:30), who are the body of Christ.

You should know this.
Your understanding is a perversion of the NT.