IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

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Keeping it simple:
The synagogue of Satan was a group of unbelieving Jews that say they are Jews (the people of God), who were persecuting Christians. They were slandering the church in Smyrna and opposing the church in Philadelphia in some way.

The New Testament church faced persecution for believing in Jesus the Messiah; persecution that came from the unbelieving Jewish community as well as from the Roman world during the first century.

In reality, by rejecting the Jewish Messiah, they have renounced their status as “true” Jews, and that is why Jesus calls them “liars.” This distinction between ethnic Jews and faithful Jews is also seen in Romans 9:6 and 2:28-29....
  • “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel” and
  • “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter”.
By their persecution of the true people of God, these unbelieving Jews had become a synagogue of Satan.

In the letters to the early Christian churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, reference is made to a synagogue of Satan in each case referring to a group persecuting the church "who say they are Jews and are not".

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of the first and the last, who was dead and came to life: I know your affliction and your poverty, even though you are rich. I know the slander on the part of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:8-9

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write... "I know your works. Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying; I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." - Revelation 3:7-9

These verses should never be used to imply that it is ok to hate Jews for us in modern times any more than it would have been for the persecuted Jewish Christians to hate anyone as the Golden Rule says. After all Jesus and Paul were ethnic Jews as well as the apostles.

Paul was a Jew culturally and religiously. Ethnically he was a Benjamite. Romans 11:1
 
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Jesus called them sons of the devil. How can they be Abraham's seed and never have been in bondage? They were Edomites, and/or from Ishmael or Keturah. Since Edomites had been made proselytes by the Maccabees, they became none other than Jews... says Josephus. But I doubt that God would see it that way, since He says, Esau I hated.

John 8:33 They answered Him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

They just didn't do what Abraham did... can't change your DNA, since God knows what He made you. Can't pretend that the Everlasting Covenant of Genesis 17:13 is over, either.

Paul was a Benjamite... not a Judahite. And Jesus wasn't an apostle, either.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
(Ioudaios = Judaean)
Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man [which am] a Jew of Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Kinda hard to see how Paul considered himself a Judaean, since he came from Tarsus of the tribe of Benjamin... but this must be the first place where the whole 12 tribes started calling themselves Jews... or rather, Ioudaios... since the name Jew seems to be connected with the theology called Judaism, today:

"Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism."--rabbi Finkelstein, The Pharisees
Full text of "The Pharisees The Sociological Background Of Their Faith Volume I"

Ishmael was technically Abraham's seed. Esau, the son of Isaac, as well. Both are in Hell.

Not all born of Israel are automatically believers.

Abraham's seed must be of his lineage and also REGENERATE to replicate being a son of Abraham. For Abraham was born again.

Like father, like son.
 
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Paul was a Jew culturally and religiously. Ethnically he was a Benjamite. Romans 11:1

Yet he became a new creation in Christ Jesus. He was no longer a Jew. Galatians 3:28

Yet...

Paul used the background of his past as a means to appeal to the thinking of those who would be able to identify. For Paul was explaining to Roman people about the Jews whom they did not really understand. Paul was using his Jewish background as his credentials as to qualify as an expert to do so. And, also was showing how Judaism was foundational for their new found faith in Christ.
 
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Ishmael was technically Abraham's seed. Esau, the son of Isaac, as well. Both are in Hell.

Not all born of Israel are automatically believers.

Abraham's seed must be of his lineage and also REGENERATE to replicate being a son of Abraham. For Abraham was born again.

Like father, like son.

True. The lineage, or seed, comes through the son of promise: Isaac.
 
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Yet he became a new creation in Christ Jesus. He was no longer a Jew. Yet...

Paul used his background of his past as a means to appeal to the thinking of those who would identify.

He mentioned his tribal identity in relation to "all Israel".
 
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He mentioned his tribal identity in relation to "all Israel".




If I say I am an American from Texas? Would I not be representing all of America when addressing people of another nation? Yes, Paul was identifying with all.
 
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Keeping it simple:
The synagogue of Satan was a group of unbelieving Jews that say they are Jews (the people of God), who were persecuting Christians. They were slandering the church in Smyrna and opposing the church in Philadelphia in some way.

Revelation 2:9-10 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not but the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.KJV

The tribulation plus the synagogue of Satan plus the devil's imprisonment... all come from the same source, because Ephesus before them also has tribulation... but Pergamos after them, called the devil's seat, doesn't have tribulation... and neither does Thyatira. When most people in those churches were following Jesus, they fought the devil; when most people in those churches were following the devil = et viola! no more persecution.

So... what is this blasphemy?

Revelation 13:6 And He opened His mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Doesn't it all come down to "I have loved you", implying "not them"?

John 14:21 He that hath My Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

Whom does Jesus love?
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Whom does the dragon hate?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

PART 2
After I posted my #677 above I checked other versions and it too was very informative as you can get a better understanding of how other Bible translators translated the last part of it from the Greek text.

KJ21 - ... but are the synagogue of Satan.
AMP - ...are a synagogue of Satan [they are Jews only by blood, and do not believe and truly honor the God whom they claim to worship].
CJB... on the contrary, they are a synagogue of the Adversary.
CEV... But they are not really Jews. They are a group that belongs to Satan.
ERV... But they are not true Jews. They are a group that belongs to Satan.
TLB... that they are Jewsthe children of God—but they aren’t, for they support the cause of Satan.
MSG...those who pretend to be good Jews, who in fact belong to Satan’s crowd.
NABRE...but rather are members of the assembly of Satan.
NCB...but are actually members of the synagogue of Satan.
NIRV...I know that their words are evil. Their worship comes from Satan.
NLT...because their synagogue belongs to Satan.
NMB...but are the congregation of Satan.
NTE...They are nothing of the kind. They are a satan-synagogue.
TPT...for they are a satanic congregation.
WE... They belong to Satan's people.

Revelation 2:9
οἶδά σου τὰ ἔργα καὶ τὴν θλῖψιν καὶ τὴν πτωχείαν πλούσιος δὲ εἶ καὶ τὴν βλασφημίαν τῶν λεγόντων ἰουδαίους εἶναι ἑαυτούς καὶ οὐκ εἰσὶν ἀλλὰ συναγωγὴ τοῦ σατανᾶ
 
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Keeping it simple:
The synagogue of Satan was a group of unbelieving Jews that say they are Jews (the people of God), who were persecuting Christians. They were slandering the church in Smyrna and opposing the church in Philadelphia in some way.

Nah, that's just the tradition of men interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

The Romans 11:25-32 Scripture by Apostle Paul disproves the false tradition of who Jesus called the "synagogue of Satan", because Paul showed that God Himself is Who blinded the unbelieving Jews against The Gospel so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. And when the fullness of the Gentiles is completed, that is when God is going to remove their blindness. That will be when many of the orthodox Jews will accept Jesus (i.e., at His future coming).

So Lord Jesus was pointing to another group with that "synagogue of Satan" group, which represent His strongest enemies of this world.

In Matthew 13, Lord Jesus explained who His greatest enemy and enemies are for this world. They are represented by the "tares" in His parable of the tares of the field. Here is His explanation of who the "tares" are...

Matt 13:38-40
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

KJV

Is God going to cast the unbelieving Jews which HE Himself blinded away from The Gospel into that future lake of fire as if they are those "tares"?? NO WAY! It is written how those unbelieving Jews He spiritually blinded during this world will mourn for Jesus Christ at His return when they see Him, even as a long lost son! (see end of Zechariah 12). Many of the Jews that reject Lord Jesus are going to believe... once God removes that blindness He put upon them!

So don't go judging the unbelieving Jews today for rejecting our Lord Jesus. It ain't... over yet for them. And those certainly are NOT the tares that Jesus was describing that are sowed by the devil and destined to perish in the lake of fire.

So who are the "tares" again? The children of the wicked one, those whom the devil sowed. Early in Bible history, starting with the pagan Canaanites that crept in among Israel, those tares began growing among Israel, and acted as taunts and snares and thorns in the side to lead Israel into worship of Baal. This is why the Millennium verse at the end of Zechariah 14 reveals only in that future time of Christ's reign will there no more be the Canaanite in the House of God.
 
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PART 2
After I posted my #677 above I checked other versions and it too was very informative as you can get a better understanding of how other Bible translators translated the last part of it from the Greek text.

KJ21 - ... but are the synagogue of Satan.
AMP - ...are a synagogue of Satan [they are Jews only by blood, and do not believe and truly honor the God whom they claim to worship].
CJB... on the contrary, they are a synagogue of the Adversary.
CEV... But they are not really Jews. They are a group that belongs to Satan.
ERV... But they are not true Jews. They are a group that belongs to Satan.
TLB... that they are Jewsthe children of God—but they aren’t, for they support the cause of Satan.
MSG...those who pretend to be good Jews, who in fact belong to Satan’s crowd.
NABRE...but rather are members of the assembly of Satan.
NCB...but are actually members of the synagogue of Satan.
NIRV...I know that their words are evil. Their worship comes from Satan.
NLT...because their synagogue belongs to Satan.
NMB...but are the congregation of Satan.
NTE...They are nothing of the kind. They are a satan-synagogue.
TPT...for they are a satanic congregation.
WE... They belong to Satan's people.

Even with those examples, you have a MIX of interpretations pointing to all Jewish synagogues that reject Jesus, and then others that don't, but point directly to Satan and his servants.

The Biblical proof I showed from Lord Jesus in Matthew 13 about His explanation of the "tares" being the children of the wicked one, sowed by the devil, reveals that "synagogue of Satan" label He used points to those "tares", and not to the tribe of Judah that still rejects our Lord Jesus.

Afterall, what is difficult about understanding that He said the ones He was pointing to only 'claimed'... to be Jews, but lie, and are not... Jews? Right there that is simple to understand that He was not pointing to true bloodline Jews of the house of Judah, but to those "tares" sowed by the devil that only CLAIM to be Jews, but are not.
 
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Jesus called them sons of the devil. How can they be Abraham's seed and never have been in bondage? They were Edomites, and/or from Ishmael or Keturah. Since Edomites had been made proselytes by the Maccabees, they became none other than Jews... says Josephus. But I doubt that God would see it that way, since He says, Esau I hated.

John 8:33 They answered Him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

They just didn't do what Abraham did... can't change your DNA, since God knows what He made you. Can't pretend that the Everlasting Covenant of Genesis 17:13 is over, either.

Paul was a Benjamite... not a Judahite. And Jesus wasn't an apostle, either.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
(Ioudaios = Judaean)
Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man [which am] a Jew of Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Kinda hard to see how Paul considered himself a Judaean, since he came from Tarsus of the tribe of Benjamin... but this must be the first place where the whole 12 tribes started calling themselves Jews... or rather, Ioudaios... since the name Jew seems to be connected with the theology called Judaism, today:

"Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism."--rabbi Finkelstein, The Pharisees
Full text of "The Pharisees The Sociological Background Of Their Faith Volume I"

Ishmael was technically Abraham's seed. Esau, the son of Isaac, as well. Both are in Hell.

Not all born of Israel are automatically believers.

Abraham's seed must be of his lineage and also REGENERATE to replicate being a son of Abraham. For Abraham was born again.

Like father, like son.

I agree with you, for the most part... but

How do we know that Ishmael went to hell... did I miss those verses in the Bible?

Esau, that's a different story. "The people against whom the Lord has set Himself for ever."... forever.

Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. And ye said, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, 3 and hated Esau and laid waste his borders, and made his heritage as dwellings of the wilderness? 4 Because one will say, Idumea has been overthrown, but let us return and rebuild the desolate places; thus saith the Lord Almighty, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall be called The borders of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord has set Himself for ever.LXX

Which means these people are still fighting God and therefore, against Jacob, right?

Abraham was born again because He believed God and proved it by doing what God told him to do... only then was Abraham justified... born of God. If he hadn't picked up a knife and brought Isaac to the place of sacrifice, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If Jesus hadn't gone to His death because God gave Him this Commandment, the world would probably have ended right there and then. Faith without works is dead.
 
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I agree with you, for the most part... but

How do we know that Ishmael went to hell... did I miss those verses in the Bible?

In the Hebrew thinking Isaac was called Abraham's only son. (Genesis 22:2)
And, it was through his seed the nations would be blessed.

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go
to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I
will show you.”


Remember, the Lord called Himself.. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.. Not Ishmael.
 
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Nah, that's just the tradition of men interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

The Romans 11:25-32 Scripture by Apostle Paul disproves the false tradition of who Jesus called the "synagogue of Satan", because Paul showed that God Himself is Who blinded the unbelieving Jews against The Gospel so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. And when the fullness of the Gentiles is completed, that is when God is going to remove their blindness. That will be when many of the orthodox Jews will accept Jesus (i.e., at His future coming).

So Lord Jesus was pointing to another group with that "synagogue of Satan" group, which represent His strongest enemies of this world.

In Matthew 13, Lord Jesus explained who His greatest enemy and enemies are for this world. They are represented by the "tares" in His parable of the tares of the field. Here is His explanation of who the "tares" are...

Matt 13:38-40
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

KJV

Is God going to cast the unbelieving Jews which HE Himself blinded away from The Gospel into that future lake of fire as if they are those "tares"?? NO WAY! It is written how those unbelieving Jews He spiritually blinded during this world will mourn for Jesus Christ at His return when they see Him, even as a long lost son! (see end of Zechariah 12). Many of the Jews that reject Lord Jesus are going to believe... once God removes that blindness He put upon them!

God didn't make them blind... their eyes they have closed... they did it themself.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (plus Isaiah 6:11-13)

I don't know who those multitudes are, actually.
Because this is Jesus:

Esaias 42:6-7 I the Lord God have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will strengthen Thee: and I have given Thee for the covenant of a race, for a light of the Nation: 7 to open the eyes of the blind, to bring the bound and them that sit in darkness out of bonds and the prison-house.

Matthew 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, [by] the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Nation; 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

I believe that Judah has already seen the light*... and was sent to find the "other sheep" "of the house of Israel", by preaching what Jesus preached to them, Matthew 10:6-7. The word disguised as "Gentiles" in both verses above is actually "Nation" in context.

Isaiah 42:6-7 says Jesus is the covenant itself...
of a race: Israel...
for a Light of the Nation: Israel.
The New Covenant is Jesus' flesh and blood, Matthew 26:26-28.
Those who accept the New Covenant...
keep His Commandments...
and are given the Holy Spirit:
the power to become... bone and flesh, Genesis 2:23.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on His name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

onoma = name, from ginosko = to know, understand.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

This is the betrothal of the Lamb.
___________
* Mystery Ephraim?
 
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In the Hebrew thinking Isaac was called Abraham's only son. (Genesis 22:2)
And, it was through his seed the nations would be blessed.

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go
to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I
will show you.”


Remember, the Lord called Himself.. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.. Not Ishmael.

Agreed. Apparently... wait. I was going to say... children of handmaids don't count if the covenant is what God was pointing to. But then how are all 12 sons of Jacob considered his sons... since Hagar was a handmaid... and so are Bilhah and Zilpah? Because then Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun are Jacob's only sons by Leah. I wonder, can you even count the sons of Rachel, since from the beginning there was only one man and one wife?
 
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Agreed. Apparently... wait. I was going to say... children of handmaids don't count if the covenant is what God was pointing to. But then how are all 12 sons of Jacob considered his sons... since Hagar was a handmaid... and so are Bilhah and Zilpah? Because then Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun are Jacob's only sons by Leah. I wonder, can you even count the sons of Rachel, since from the beginning there was only one man and one wife?


God knows those who are His own..

Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God." Exo 3:6


God does not have to tell us directly in this case who are not saved.
 
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Hi all, I would like to know your thoughts on who you believe God's ISRAEL is under the NEW COVENANT? I believe the scriptures show that God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - The Church. I have finished a prayerful detailed study of the scriptures which I will present here in this thread. Happy to know your thoughts? Who is God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT and why? - scripture please. Here are the linked posts in this thread that show God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - the Church.

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT IS GOD'S CHURCH linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

God bless
True Israel (Romans 9:6) is; i.e., all those who believe in and trust on the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin.
 
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Paul was a Benjamite... not a Judahite. And Jesus wasn't an apostle, either.
I think you read my post incorrectly. I never said "Jesus was an apostle." All I said was that Jesus, Paul and the apostles were ethnic Jews.

After all Jesus and Paul were ethnic Jews as well as the apostles.
 
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God didn't make them blind... their eyes they have closed... they did it themself.

Well, that is a flat denial of the Romans 11 Scripture by Apostle Paul.

God is Who closed their eyes, they didn't.

Rom 11:7-11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded


8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.


9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
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Apostle Paul was quoting from Isaiah 29 in the Romans 11:8-10 verses:

Isa 29:10
10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath He covered.

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Thus your interpretation is outside of God's written Word.
 
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So don't go judging the unbelieving Jews today for rejecting our Lord Jesus.

These verses should never be used to imply that it is ok to hate Jews for us in modern times any more than it would have been for the persecuted Jewish Christians to hate anyone as the Golden Rule says. After all Jesus and Paul were ethnic Jews as well as the apostles.
I don't sit in judgement of the Jews who reject Christ, yesterday or tomorrow. That is not my/our job. Christ will be the judge of the unsaved ethnic Jews as well as the unsaved Gentiles.

However, it is a historical fact that the unbelieving Jews did persecute the Jews that became Christians during the first 100 years.
 
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Nah, that's just the tradition of men interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.
Rev 1:11...(Christ speaking to John) "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches..."
Q- Do you deny the truth of these verses and who told John to write them?​
And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of the first and the last, who was dead and came to life: I know your affliction and your poverty, even though you are rich. I know the slander on the part of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:8-9

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write... "I know your works. Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying; I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." - Revelation 3:7-9
 
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Hi all, I would like to know your thoughts on who you believe God's ISRAEL is under the NEW COVENANT? I believe the scriptures show that God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - The Church. I have finished a prayerful detailed study of the scriptures which I will present here in this thread. Happy to know your thoughts? Who is God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT and why? - scripture please. Here are the linked posts in this thread that show God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - the Church.

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT IS GOD'S CHURCH linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

God bless

Well, I see you began this thread nearly three years ago. How have you held up under the hate, retribution, and general vitriol of those who refuse to believe the Word of God right under their very noses.

I have tried to share this biblical doctrine for years.

Also under our very noses is the warning that in the end times people would not abide the truth. In a time of such wide spread knowledge and ability to search the scriptures like never before... such profound ignorance and deliberate refusal to believe the Word of God... but to cling to the traditions and beliefs of mere mortal men...

Mark 7:13 (AV)
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mark 7:7 (AV)
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:21–23 (AV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:13–14 (AV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The traditions of man church boasts a billion members worldwide.

Few?

Few.
 
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