God, And Adam and Eve-Naked and Afraid

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Was God limited when He walked in the Garden of Eden? And was knowledge from the Tree of Good and Evil limited?

First, regarding the Tree of Good and Evil...Genesis 3:7 says, after Adam and Eve ate from the Tree, that they realized they were naked. Apparently, they knew enough from eating of the Tree that they were naked. A question arose as to whether they wondered if the fig leaves they wore were enough to cover their nakedness. Well, they either knew but they couldn’t find anything else to cover themselves, or the Tree did not bestow enough knowledge for them to know whether or not the fig leaves were enough. If the latter, it would make one wonder if the Tree enabled them to think for themselves, or if not. They may have gotten the nakedness part right, in other words, but they couldn’t think enough, at that point, to determine whether the fig leaves were sufficient.

Perhaps their ability to think was in its infancy, and that ability grew with successive generations. Maybe there is some evolutionary aspect to man, after all, considering in this day and age, man has adopted varying degrees of nakedness, and to the extent that some nakedness is OK In the U.S., most people don’t have a problem with people wearing sandals that expose their feet; some don’t have a problem with women walking around topless in Times Square; nudist camps don’t have a problem at all.

Does the Bible address the issue of covering ourselves? Seems the closest the Bible comes to directly addressing the issue is 1 Corinthians 11:5 which says, “But every wife who prays or prophesies with her HEAD UNCOVERED dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.” Seems it only becomes an issue in that instance.

Does God say not to walk around naked? Ironically, God in Verse 11 seems to disapprove of Adam and Eve covering themselves. Seems that if they didn’t eat from the Tree, then nowadays everyone would be walking around naked in places like Times Square, weather permitting, and nobody would look twice! Ironically, though, the issue of nakedness leads to a morality issue, since the nakedness of some could lead others to the temptation of committing adultery, with the ironic part being that if Adam and Eve didn’t eat from the Tree, man may not know of such evil.

As for the fear part, we know that in Verse 8, Adam and Eve attempt to hide themselves from God. We can presume they hid themselves because they knew they disobeyed God in eating from the Tree. What is really intriguing is Verse 9 in which God, walking around in the Garden of Eden, calls to them and asks, “Where are you?” You might think upon the first reading that God in human form is unable to see everything like He can when he’s in the heavens. At least one commentator, though, asserts that God knew where they were, and the question He asks is not referring to where they are, but is referring to the state of morality they put themselves into, as in, ‘Look at yourselves, now that you have botched things up by eating from the Tree. You wouldn’t need to hide from me if you didn’t eat from the Tree.’ That probably makes more sense, since God is omniscient.
 

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oes the Bible address the issue of covering ourselves?

Yes, but the Bible couldn’t care less what kind of attire you wear on your body.

Does God say not to walk around naked?

No. God couldn’t care less if you walk around naked.

There are many many many verses referring to clothes, and nakedness. These are all referring to your spiritual wisdom, or truths, from God.
Zechariah 3:4 is a good example. It’s the Lord that provides us our clothes (truths).
Look at Matthew 22:11-14. Think about the wedding “clothes”


but is referring to the state of morality they put themselves into,

That’s probably a good idea, I would guess.
But then, God knows everything about us, at all times, including our state of morality.
The fig leaves have some meaning as well.
Lots of verses about fig trees. Always same meaning.
 
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There are many many many verses referring to clothes, and nakedness. These are all referring to your spiritual wisdom, or truths, from God.
Zechariah 3:4 is a good example. It’s the Lord that provides us our clothes (truths).
Look at Matthew 22:11-14. Think about the wedding “clothes”


Yes, I agree but what does it mean that they were naked before they ate and eating only opened their eyes to their nakedness? They got a law andwe nw th law is NT given to the righteous but to lawbreakers...
1 TIMOTHY 1:9 ...knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, etc. so they can be convicted of their sin and become ashamed: ROM 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Did you ever notice that the word for naked is the same word used for the serpent's evil craftyness? Iow, Adam and Eve and the serpent are all 'rm in GOD's eyes...check it out. It is eisegesis that interprets which one is evil and which one is naked...
 
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First and formost: The Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the only God there is none other than יהוה.
Secondly: have no others

To question his ability to see Adam and Eve in the garden is to believe in another God. That is to say; to believe that there is anything in all of existance that can limit his ability is to believe there exists another God. Being that God created all things seen and unseen (this includes anything fathomable and beyond) there is nothing that could limit him.- refer to John 1:3-

The existance of the Lord is the existance of all that is good. His purity is so that he shines in everlasting untainted brightness. This brightness shines through all that exists including darkness, which was created by him. Darkness is that which is absent of goodness. Darkness grovels at his feet. This is why all heads will bow. Jesus alone can withstand seeing his face, because he is pure as is the father.

When we sin it dims our existace. Man was created in the image of God, a reflection of his being. I am sure that when God looked down on the garden it was dimmer after the sin. Undoubtably he had already seen the out come of creating man and putting one thing before them that could bring death. John 8:58 “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was, I am!”

“before Abraham was, I am!” This statement is a tell tale of his "omni-presence". After all if God can give the prophets revelation into the future he would have to have the knowledge in order to bestow it.

God said to feed from the tree of knowledge would bring death. Surely when man fed from the fruit of the tree death was upon them, even though they thought they had not died. In Gods omni-presence he surely already had seen their bodies lying in the ground returning to where they came from. Also, when death appeared upon them the garden became darker being that the light that was in them became dimmer.

Now I belive that God in his ultimate love was asking not to seek where their bodies were, but to see where their hearts were. Not that he didn't know but to give them the opportunity to seek his forgiveness rather than hiding from his fury. If they had repented and asked for his forgiveness and sought after his bread surely they would not have died. Death would have had to flee from them as it does when a sinner asks Jesus into their heart to remove sin and death.

Revelation 9:6
“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”
Evil knows the great and horrible power of the Lord of all. This verse tells that the demons flee from them that are to be victim of his wrath. I am sure this is because they don't want to be anywhere near when it comes down that they would be caught in it.
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
 
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Yes, I agree but what does it mean that they were naked before they ate and eating only opened their eyes to their nakedness?

Prior to eating, they were in complete innocence.
I believe in heaven, the more we get closer to the Lord, the more we will move back into that state. (Innocence).
But we will never lose our free will, so the actual appearance of being “naked” will not be a common occurrence. I’m talking heaven here. Knowing good and evil is our free will. Prior to that state we cannot know evil, and we are in innocence and rely on the Lord. Complete innocence does not require clothing.
But once the direct link to the Lord is broken, and we begin to make choices based upon our desires, we “recognize” the need to be clothed. We can now do evil, if we choose it.
The fact that the Lord provides clothing of skins, although we are only able to locate fig leaves, is important as well.

Did you ever notice that the word for naked is the same word used for the serpent's evil craftyness?

I only use English Bible translations. I am unable to learn other languages, but, to me, the Word will get through to all of us, if we have the heart to be led by the Lord.
I can easily believe what you say about naked and the serpent.
It makes sense to me.

Iow, Adam and Eve and the serpent are all 'rm in GOD's eyes

I fully believe what you say here.
But I must put an “asterisk” in that, because I don’t know what you mean by the “rm”.

I found your reply to be very helpful and insightful.
The part where you spoke about “law” left me behind, but the rest was wonderful for me to read.
 
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But I must put an “asterisk” in that, because I don’t know what you mean by the “rm”.

'RM is the English transliteration of the written Hebrew, עָרוֹם used in both Gen 2:25 (naked) and 3:1 (more crafty in evil).
 
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A question arose as to whether they wondered if the fig leaves they wore were enough to cover their nakedness. Well, they either knew but they couldn’t find anything else to cover themselves, or the Tree did not bestow enough knowledge for them to know whether or not the fig leaves were enough

"The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them." Genesis 3:21

So it is obvious they didn't know enough. Mankind continued at that point to dress themselves in clothing, mimicking how God dressed Adam and Eve.

Further in the future, God continued His instructions to Israel concerning attire:

"You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together." Deuteronomy 22:11

So as mankind went from skins to various types of cloth still mimicking clothing cuts and styles of those first outfits, God had continued, sustaining their clothing even in the wilderness:

"Forty years you sustained them in the wilderness, and they lacked nothing. Their clothes did not wear out and their feet did not swell." Nehemiah 9:21

Which proves that God believes clothing IS appropriate and necessary.

We also know there are clothing styles appropriate to women who have a righteous modesty before God, and styles that aren't:

"And behold, the woman meets him, dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart." Proverbs 7:10

There are also clothing styles appropriate to the different sexes:

"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." Deuteronomy 22:5

So as we can see, we've been instructed by God all along and when we follow those instructions, dressing in accordance with modesty and not wealth as the Scriptures instruct, we are doing what is right before God.

Having thrown off our innocence, we know nudity is sinful.
 
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Which proves that God believes clothing IS appropriate and necessary.

No, it proves that God will give us what we need, so long as it doesn't amount to being evil.

Re Deuteronomy 22:5, God is saying that if you're going to wear clothes, wear clothes that are in line with your gender. And in Deuteronomy 22:11, God is saying that if you're going to wear clothes, don't mix linen with wool.

Genesis 3:21 comes after Genesis 3:7, in which Adam and Eve ate from the Tree and realized they were naked. It doesn't come before, which furthers the notion that God would have been content with them being without clothes, at least provided they didn't eat from the Tree. He gives them clothes in Verse 21 because the evil deed, of eating from the Tree, was done and they wanted clothes to hide their newfound nakedness.

Some could probably also infer that the clothes God gave them amounted to being prison clothes for committing the sin of eating from the Tree, but that could be a stretch.
 
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God would have been content with them being without clothes, at least provided they didn't eat from the Tree

No, it's means where there is no law, there is no transgression. (Romans 4:15).

In Adam and Eve's innocent state there was no law, none until the one law they had was transgressed. While God was happy with the innocent state and called it good, the knowledge of good and evil in and of itself brought with it sin.

"If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
 
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In Adam and Eve's innocent state there was no law, none until the one law they had was transgressed. While God was happy with the innocent state and called it good, the knowledge of good and evil in and of itself brought with it sin.

Right. the Law they broke was eating from the Tree. Nakedness in and of itself is not a sin. Considering the other Laws that God imposed in the Old Testament, while nakedness is not a sin, it could LEAD to sin through temptation.

Since Christ Jesus fulfilled the Law, though, does God's Grace depend on whether we're covered up, other than 1 Corinthians 11:5 ? In a textual sense, I believe not.
 
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