Jen Psaki Spars With Male Reporter Over Abortion Rights

AvilaSurfer said:

“A living saint”……..LOLOL. Well that explains a lot.

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He is. Look at his life, even in his 90's.

How is UPolitics the best reference for interpreting an episcopal conference?

In actuality, the bishops want to promote greater reverence for the Eucharist and are drafting an educational document.

It is supposed to be instructional in nature, not political, and it is more about belief in the true presence than about abortion or any other issue.

Denying the Eucharist to anyone will always be up to each individual bishop, so there will always be plenty of bishops who welcome Biden to Communion, including Cardinal Gregory of DC.

ArmenianJohn said:

He is. Look at his life, even in his 90's.

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Sorry that’s not how sainthood works.

AvilaSurfer said:

Sorry that’s not how sainthood works.

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All believers ae saints. But the point your missing (I suspect intentionally) is that Jimmy Carter lives an observant Christian life. I'm sure @Fantine , being Catholic, meant "saint" in the informal sense of describing a person who lives a righteous Christian life.

ArmenianJohn said:

That's my own personal dilemma as well, for the most part. I consider myself pro-life and I am against many, if not most, "elective" abortions, although I am also pro-choice and believe there should a lot of choice given to pregnant women about abortion. This is mainly due to health reasons, which are numerous, even if a woman isn't likely to die from the pregnancy.

To me, it falls into a range that is very grey, much like terminating the life of a sick and incapacitated (often elderly) relative, such as making a decision to "pull the plug". We don't ban that but it's effectively a form of euthanasia, but there are actually good reasons for it and there are sometimes very good reasons for abortions.

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I am pro-life. I believe abortion is sin. But I also believe greed, fornication, adultery, anger and many, many other things are sin too. But there is no sin greater then other except one – denying the holy spirit. It is the duty of “Body of Christ” to teach, live by example and encourage others not to sin. N.T. teaching never force any one not to sin. It is individual choice to sin or not to sin. N.T. teaching is to “Pick up your own cross “every day, N.T. teaching is to live by example and witness to others.

JustSomeBloke said:

Pro-abortionists say this kind of thing so often, it was entirely predictable that someone would respond as you have. The simple fact is that conservatives generally believe in personal responsibility and self sufficiency. That includes not taking the risk of falling pregnant if you do not have the means to take care of a child, or do not have the desire to have a child. And it's unfortunate that I have to point this out, but your response is a red-herring, intended to distract from the fact that some people support killing the unborn.

P.S. I'm not interested in debating extreme examples, such as pregnancy caused by rape. That's an entirely different ball game from allowing abortion on demand to all and sundry.

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Yet majority abortion are done by people who consider themselves religious.

The majority of abortion patients indicated a religious affiliation: Seventeen percent identified as mainline Protestant, 13% as evangelical Protestant and 24% as Roman Catholic, while 8% identified with some other religion. Thirty-eight percent of patients did not identify with any religion. The proportion of women who identified as mainline Protestant declined by 24% since 2008, whereas the proportion with no affiliation increased by 38%. The proportion identifying as Catholic decreased by 15% from the earlier survey, though this change was only marginally significant.

Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008



Percentage of women who received an abortion by religion U.S. 2014 | Statista

May be Christian should preach the Gospel at church rather then in political theater.

Sparta said:

For a change of pace, i thought i would point out that an abortion stops a heartbeat, every single time.

Christians should spend more time talking about a baby's right to live vs a fornicators right to stop a baby's heartbeat by using abortion as post-fornication birth control.

And while the secularly "enlightened" blindly see the issue as solely about the woman's rights, God does not agree.

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No, Christian should spend more time bringing people to Christ and not condemning them or teach people “ Baby’s Right to Live”


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

And there’s me being lectured on sainthood. How amusing.

Bin team said:

Catholic Sainthood declares evil men like John Chrysostom and Mother Theresa Saints. Fantine is more just in calling Biden a Saint than a majority of the so-called Catholic saints. Biden represents in himself the same sort of compassion that Christ displayed towards people, free of of religious dogma of fallible men and Popes like Francis.

We could all learn from Joe Biden's piety.

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I called Carter a living Saint, not Biden. To me , Carter's life of generosity, service, honesty, and peacemaking exemplifies the commands of Jesus.

I also consider Mother Teresa a Saint. I am not familiar with the life of John Chrysostom. I find the lives of saints inspiring, and as with everyone, some stories speak to me more than others.

Tiberius Lee said:

Yet majority abortion are done by people who consider themselves religious.

The majority of abortion patients indicated a religious affiliation: Seventeen percent identified as mainline Protestant, 13% as evangelical Protestant and 24% as Roman Catholic, while 8% identified with some other religion. Thirty-eight percent of patients did not identify with any religion. The proportion of women who identified as mainline Protestant declined by 24% since 2008, whereas the proportion with no affiliation increased by 38%. The proportion identifying as Catholic decreased by 15% from the earlier survey, though this change was only marginally significant.

Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008

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Percentage of women who received an abortion by religion U.S. 2014 | Statista

May be Christian should preach the Gospel at church rather then in political theater.

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I read once that 46% of Americans women have had an abortion. I found it surprising, because I know very few women personally who have had abortions, or at least who are acknowledging them.

But if the number is that high, then I imagine this law will have a significant backlash, because those women will have found it to have been necessary medical care.

The women I know who have had abortions, small as that sample is, have not been devastated afterwards. One had an anencephalic fetus and although she was grief stricken she still believed she had done the right thing.

And I have found it best just to listen sympathetically and non-judgmentally. I am a friend, not a confessor. I have never known anyone to have repeat abortions.

Jesus told the woman being stoned, "Neither shall I judge you." An act can be objectively sinful--but the person involved may not have had the awareness and full consent for it to have been sinful for her.

Fantine said:

My own personal dilemma is that the "pro-life" politicians are against abortion but are unconcerned about all other social justice issues, which, if addressed, would reduce abortions more than their punitive approach.

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I agree, but it depends on how they intend to address those social justice issues. If they want to defund the police, teach CRT and tribalism, and promote LGBTQ issues to three year olds, they're not helping.