Open Borders and Anti-American Citizens (for Christians only to respond)

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You only need to build walls if people are rushing to get in. Doubt if people are rushing in to countries in decline.

Roman Empire...China... Roman Britain... looks like you're wrong. This is why a wall is such a bad fit for America. The far right sees America in decline. But everyone else sees new opportunities.

People rush into countries where they see opportunity for growth, freedom and pursuit of happiness.

That's what Reagan said. It's why he welcomed Mexican immigrants and helped make it easier for them to come here.
 
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The people we are letting in to the country follow a book which, - and I quote 'slay the kaffir (you and I) wherever you find them.'
Where does their book say that? Show me and then I'll show you the context so you can see that you're distorting their beliefs in order to demonize them.

A lot of them do not like us, nor do some of them integrate.
Why do they have to "like" you - is this about your feelings being hurt? You want to be liked? Do all your fellow Brits "like" you? Nobody else dislikes you? Not sure why this standard is selectively applied to Syrian refugees.

We have 'no go areas' for white Christians in some cities.
Sounds like you have a law enforcement problem in the UK. Why not do something about it? I don't see what this has to do with Syrian refuees - are the Syrian refugees the ones who tell your police to shirk their responsibilities?

We have Muslim hate preachers on our streets encouraging jihad against us.
We have that in America, too - especially in NY City where I work. It's called "Freedom of Speech". Not sure what that has to do with Syrian refugees, though - another non sequitur from you.

If I read the Bible in front of him, - I would be beheaded in his country.
If you're talking about Syria then I know for a fact you're wrong and I don't know where you're getting that idea from (nost likely some racist group).

To have your homeland invaded by a people who come here who would kill or enslave you in their country, who worship a completely different God, and who deny Christ, - is not a good thing.
And again, if you are talking about Syrian refugees and the country of Syria, you are 100% dead WRONG. About EVERYTHING you're saying. More racist lies with no foundation in truth.

I'm all for welcoming refugees escaping war, however most that come here are single fighting age men who (bypass every other safe country) come here simply for the free money and housing, and that's not good when the country is already struggling to house our own people. I'm afraid to say, - soft touch liberals like you are part of the problem.
Oh look, all of a sudden you have something to do with the government although earlier you said you have nothing to do with it. You are clearly not "all for welcoming refugees escaping war" because here you are explaining to me why you hate them and don't want them, and most of your excuses are falsehoods.
 
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Um, Puerto Rico is in the United States...
It is a territory, not a state. And the point isn't the location when people are talking about colors of skin. I don't care what color a person's skin is! All of those colors are human colors, and no one's skin color is better than another!

Do you agree about skin colors?


Most of those folks are Christian. They're even anti-abortion conservatives.

What is your point? Can you prove your statement since you haven't even conducted a survey of all the people crossing the border? Are you pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?
 
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What is your point? Can you prove your statement since you haven't even conducted a survey of all the people crossing the border? Are you pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?
So when Christians are being robbed, raped, and killed and are seeking refuge your response is to question whether or not they are Christians? What does the Bible say about that?

But even if they weren't Christians, we should want to help them just as human beings. If Syria had the attitude that many Americans have of closing their border to people who are refugees and seeking asylum, my grandparents would all have been killed. Do you think America can't do for people what Syria was able to do for people a hundred years ago - is America too weak?
 
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It is a territory, not a state. And the point isn't the location when people are talking about colors of skin. I don't care what color a person's skin is! All of those colors are human colors, and no one's skin color is better than another!

Do you agree about skin colors?




What is your point? Can you prove your statement since you haven't even conducted a survey of all the people crossing the border? Are you pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?

It's still part of the United States.
 
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Open borders are ridiculous. They certainly aren't biblical.

Acts 17
24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place...

Genesis 2:1
Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.

Genesis 15:1
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates,

Within the Church, there is neither Greek nor Jew...

But there are Greeks and Jews, and multple languages.


“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”
 
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Do you think America can't do for people what Syria was able to do for people a hundred years ago - is America too weak?

A hundred years ago, America had to tighten up her immigration laws to ensure that immigration was manageable…
 
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“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

Are you for or against open borders?

Is God going to save everyone or only those who meet the requirements? Does the word world mean every person on earth? Will there be any unsaved persons?
 
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How are you reading any of my posts if you're visually impaired?

The post I was responding to was this (post 148):


It contains the phrase "Four questions:", a link to an earlier post, and the word "Thanks.".

Clicking the link takes me to post 144, in which you're talking about the status of Puerto Rico:

It is a territory, not a state. And the point isn't the location when people are talking about colors of skin. I don't care what color a person's skin is! All of those colors are human colors, and no one's skin color is better than another!

Do you agree about skin colors?

What is your point? Can you prove your statement since you haven't even conducted a survey of all the people crossing the border? Are you pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?

I suppose post 144 has four questions in it, at the end:

1. Does Thomas White agree with you that you aren't discriminating on the basis of skin color when you want to exclude certain immigrants from coming to the US?

2. What is RDKirk's point in post #93?

3. Can RDKirk prove that most of the recent immigrants crossing the US southern border are Christian?

4. Is RDKirk pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?


Are those the four questions you're talking about?

Maybe at this point, it would be clearest to restate your overall point directly. Your initial post stated that "open borders are ridiculous". I gather, then, that you want there to be some screening of immigrants at border crossings. Most people would agree. So, can you state what your screening criteria are? Do you want to exclude all immigrants, or just some? Do you want to exclude people based on their country of origin, or based on features of individuals like criminal background, political affiliation, religion, etc.? Or do you just want to limit the number of immigrants per year? Your original post sounded like you wanted to prohibit anyone from migrating from one country to another, but that may not be what you're actually trying to say. Can you directly state your overall point for me?
 
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The post I was responding to was this (post 148):



It contains the phrase "Four questions:", a link to an earlier post, and the word "Thanks.".

Clicking the link takes me to post 144, in which you're talking about the status of Puerto Rico:



I suppose post 144 has four questions in it, at the end:

1. Does Thomas White agree with you that you aren't discriminating on the basis of skin color when you want to exclude certain immigrants from coming to the US?

2. What is RDKirk's point in post #93?

3. Can RDKirk prove that most of the recent immigrants crossing the US southern border are Christian?

4. Is RDKirk pretending to know people's hearts by looking at their physical traits?


Are those the four questions you're talking about?

Yes

Maybe at this point, it would be clearest to restate your overall point directly. Your initial post stated that "open borders are ridiculous". I gather, then, that you want there to be some screening of immigrants at border crossings. Most people would agree.

Yes


So, can you state what your screening criteria are? Do you want to exclude all immigrants, or just some? Do you want to exclude people based on their country of origin, or based on features of individuals like criminal background, political affiliation, religion, etc.?

Thank you very much for helping me with my lack of education. I trust that the government's vetting process was reasonable.
Refugee Processing and Security Screening
Refugee Processing and Security Screening

I have neighbors who are Hindus. The woman stays indoors when she isn't at work. Her husband talks to me on rare ocasions. Their sons who were born in the U.S. are attending college or medical schools. These Hindu neighbors have been good neighbors. I'm a very strong Christian, yet I give others the right to believe other religions or atheism. Most of my relatives that communicate with me are not Christians.

I don't expect most immigrants to have chosen a political party.

Or do you just want to limit the number of immigrants per year? Your original post sounded like you wanted to prohibit anyone from migrating from one country to another, but that may not be what you're actually trying to say. Can you directly state your overall point for me?

I am a caucasian but I welcome all races. My ancestors were immigrants. Native Americans who were already here probably came here from other parts of the world also.

My favorite MLK quotes:

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

“Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.”

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding of my original post.
 
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Be glad you don't live in the UK. We are being invaded by air and sea by illegals and migrants. We have hundreds of Syrian migrants ferrying over on boats every day from France. Once here they they are all welcomed with free money from the tax payer, - which is why they keep coming. We are also flying in refugees from Aghanistan etc. We do not even know who we are letting in...

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Oh, dear! (I tried to find a smaller version of that)
 
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The vast majority of Latinos are Catholic, most of the rest are Protestant. Very few are not Christian.

Do you think criminals (i. e. drug cartels and human traffickers) are Christians?

Christians aren't walking in darkness.

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Do you think criminals (i. e. drug cartels and human traffickers) are Christians?

Christians aren't walking in darkness.

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Do you think most of those coming over the border are drug cartel and human traffickers?
 
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Are you for or against open borders?

Is God going to save everyone or only those who meet the requirements? Does the word world mean every person on earth? Will there be any unsaved persons?

Hi old lady,

If I may...I've just been reading through the posts on this thread and I have to say that there seems to be a certain degree of hate and fear mongering going on. However, to answer your question that you asked of @Tiberius Lee, yes, the word world means every person on the earth. You just aren't reading the text properly, it would seem. It doesn't say that God will 'save' the whole world, which seems to be how you are reading it. It says that God loves the whole world, (all people) that He gave His one and only Son that they might have eternal life. The operative word in the second part is 'might'.

We don't really understand what God's love entails. For the most part, love denotes a responsibility to and for something. I'm always bothered by those who throw the word love around and tarnish its value and meaning. Someone says, "Oh, I love chocolate!" No they don't!! They might like chocolate a lot, but they don't love chocolate. Love is for people!! Most especially God's love. So, when God's word tells us that He loves the whole world, we are being told that God cares about and feels a certain responsibility to/for them. A father loves his children. He does that by providing for and training them up as they grow. 'Loves' is an action verb!!

The Scriptures are clear that God's love for us was shown to us in that His Son died for us. So, let's put aside the idea that God's love is some kind of mushy, "Oh, I love you so much. I could just eat you up!" No!! God's love is the rain falling to grow the food that we eat to sustain ourselves and that trees will grow that we may build houses to provide a roof over our heads. God's love is that He has made every provision for His creation that it can sustain itself and support the life of the creature that He created to live upon it. But, most dramatically, God's love is that He gave His one and only Son to take the punishment that we so rightfully deserve for our sin. And He did that for everyone upon the earth.

Now, you ask if there will be any unsaved persons? Of course there will be, but they will die unsaved despite the love that God has shown them in this life. It will be their willful choice to refuse the love of God for them. Not that God didn't love them as they lived upon this earth.

As for my understanding on borders, I don't believe that God sees them as deterrents which keep people from making their home anywhere on the earth. This seems to be clear in the Scriptures when many of His people, as you have pointed out, moved from place to place. For Him, they are merely different areas operating under specific authority. I don't think that God has any problem with someone being born and sometime throughout their life making their home in China, Africa, Europe or somewhere on the North American continent. He will, because of His great love, provide for them wherever they live upon His earth.

However, here in the U.S. (and some other nations) grown fearful that 'those who are not like us' will take our stuff. Oh, and BTW, while some are touting the great accomplishments of the former guy...keep in mind that he generally filled his resorts and hotels with cheaply paid, and no benefit receiving, immigrant labor. So, if you care to pick someone as the poster child in dealing with immigration...don't pick him.

God bless,
Ted
 
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