Is "Prayer" a Form of Magic?

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According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

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Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?
 
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According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

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Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?
By the definition, it's not the use of a special power, it's trusting God to do it. God makes the prayer happen.
 
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Prayer can be soul centred.

Not all prayers rest in God's will...

"Lord I want that young man for my daughter..."

This sort of prayer can be totally self centred and even result in oppressing the subjects of the request.

When this happens it is in fact little better than practicing magic...
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?


Granting requests is just one aspect of prayer. Now granted that probably is the most common since humans are preoccupied by their own needs and wants. Not to mention, if a person does ask God for something there often is a big gap between the asking and receiving. So I would mention the common Christian cliché about "prayer as having a personal relationship with Jesus", but also add sometimes it might also feel a little like dealing with a slow moving invisible bureaucracy.
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?
No

From my experience listening to people, prayer is pretty much like asking Santa Claus for stuff.

You are not God’s consultant. You will not be the one who causes anything to change.

God’s will be done. Not ours.

So, no magic.

Just wishful thinking.

imo
 
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There are different types of prayer, even though all prayer is communicating with God.

Prayer for deliverance. From trials which may consist of various aspects of life, usually praying for self.

Intercessory prayer. Generally, praying for others.

Meditative prayer. Prayers of giving thanks and of gratitude. Praying from a place of peacefulness.

Emotive prayer. Praying from a very emotional state, usually in the midst of crisis.

All prayer is a form of drawing closer to God through Jesus Christ our High Priest. No magic involved, just needing to believe and trust that He hears. Selfish prayers will never be answered - certainly, not the way one thinks anyway.
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?
I don't think so. With magic (theoretically) an impossible thing will happen. With prayer it may happen, since it is dependent on God not on some formulaic incantations.
 
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Prayer can be soul centred.

Not all prayers rest in God's will...

"Lord I want that young man for my daughter..."

This sort of prayer can be totally self centred and even result in oppressing the subjects of the request.

When this happens it is in fact little better than practicing magic...

I came close to saying the same yesterday about the "give me this person" prayers. They're nearing witchcraft in my opinion.
 
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Is "Prayer" a Form of Magic?

Some people approach it like it was. It is communication. Just as only one leper returned to thank Jesus, most prayer is in the form of requests.

In the bible our relationship with God is often described as a child with a parent. Most parents know that most of the communication they have with their children is in response to their requests. It is only when the children mature that communication expands to include gratitude, and a recognition of some of what has been done for them.
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?
Magic is deception, slight of hand and false perception. It is a human invention, a craft to impress the impressionable. It has no Spirit and no power.
Prayer is completely opposite. It is how Christians deliver their thanks, worship and supplications to The Creator, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is the joining of His Spirit and our spirit when regenerated. The two are not in the least bit comparable. Blessings.
 
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If one prays for a particular thing then one believes that God, the Creator of the universe has the power to control that creation and, if it pleases Him, He may decide to give one that particular thing. If one believes in magic ( the mystical kind not the Las Vegas show kind) or superstition one will use words or talismans seeking to control power oneself or to force some mystical agent to do one's bidding. Many people who don't think they believe in magic actually do. One can see how they deceive themselves when one recognizes where they place their unquestioning faith. I do believe many Christians as well as atheists and those of non Christian religious beliefs end up expecting they can control things magically by using some talisman they have faith in or by chanting words or saying the right words in the right order. Jesus called the last two "vain repetitions" and it is a common occurrence among individual Christians to engage in them and in belief in the power of talismans. Among many people today there is a religious like belief in the power of a piece of cloth to ward off disease.
 
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does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?

Depends on to whom you are praying and why you are praying?

Just because atheists deny that there ia such a thing as the spiritual world, that does not make such an assertion valid.
So praying to an unknown spiritual being can be a form of manipulation of that spiritual being to do 'magic. for you.

May I suggest that you limit any experiments in pray to praying to Jesus and that you only ask for evidence that Christianity is true, if you are preparded to believe and act on it.
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?

Prayer, in the proper sense, isn't magic since prayer isn't about using power to bend the world to one's own wishes and desires.

However, it is easy to fall into a pattern of treating prayer like magic; where prayer is treated as a supernatural power to cause things we want to happen to happen, and God becomes a kind of quasi-benevolent wish-granting genie. But from a thoroughly Christian perspective, this is a deeply errant view of prayer.

In the archetypal Christian prayer, the prayer Jesus Himself gives, provides us with an essentially Christian understanding of prayer.

"Our Father in heaven, Your name is holy;
Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven;"

The chief petition is not for what we want, but rather to align our hope with God's promise and work. We pray that God do what He has promised, to reign as king over all creation, bringing His redemptive power and work to the world. God's will being accomplished, because we hope and believe in His will, namely, all that He has done and promised to do.

"Give us this day our supersubstantial bread"

I have translated the word often translated as "daily" in the more accurate and literal "supersubstantial". There is some room here to be curious what Jesus means by "supersubstantial bread". But the most simplest reading would be that we pray for God's continued gift of our subsistance--our food, our on-going good, the life we have from God both bodily and spiritually. There is actually a good deal of scholarly discussion and debate on this part of the Lord's Prayer.

"And forgive us our debts as we forgive those who are indebted to us."

The word really does mean "debt" here; which is metaphorically also at times used to speak of unjust offenses--the incurring of a "debt" through an unjust action that needs to be amended. And that is what this means here: The cancelling of debts is a major aspect of the concept of justice in the Bible. In the Torah, the set of instructions given to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai, is written about the importance of cancelling debts, as the canceling of debts means releasing the debt-ower into the freedom of no longer having the weight of that debt on them. That is what the Jubilee was intended for--every 50 years all debts were canceled, all slaves and other indentured servants were given their freedom, the slate is wiped clean for everyone.

Jesus, in the Gospel of Luke, quotes from the Prophet Isaiah of the time when God would send His Servant who would bring justice to the poor, grant sight to the blind, open wide the prison doors and set all captives free, to proclaim the great year of God's relief and restoration, the Jubilee of God.

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” - Luke 4:18-19

When God's kingdom comes, when God's will is done--our debts are canceled, and indeed all who are indebted to us have their debts canceled. God's redemptive work restores and reconciles--not just are we reconciled to God, we are reconciled with one another. God holds no record against us, and we hold no record against another. Forgiveness really means forgiveness, wrongs are righted and healing from those wounds begins as people love people--in the all-embracing love of God.

When God is king, debts are canceled, offenses are forgiven, and men are brothers and sisters to one another.

The release from debt is also freedom. No one is held captive, chains are broken, prison doors are opened, all is forgiven. Both the victim of injustice and the one who has brought injustice are reconciled in peace--as wrongs are righted, and forgiveness is found, and freedom is granted to both parties to heal and to be. That we are free to live out our full humanity with one another.

"Do not lead us to trial, rather deliver us from peril"

God, being a Shepherd to His people, leads His people. This petition means that we pray that in God's shepherding of us that we are kept in the safety of the green pastures; rather than to find ourselves in perilous times of testing and trial. The Old Testament history of Israel is a history of Israel going through periods of general good, and times of profound trouble--the most notable example of the latter being the Babylonian Exile.

We could see this as a request that we, individually, do not experience hardship; though I suspect an understanding here of God's shepherding love is meant: It is less a prayer about God keeping us from hardship and more prayer about us remaining committed to being God's people. That we not stray from the green of God's pastures, as it were.

And in some later manuscripts the Prayer ends with a doxology, "For Yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, unto the ages of ages"

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hi,

According to Cambridge Dictionary, magic is defined as the "use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible, such as in stories for children."

--> Link to Dictionary magic

Moreover, "prayer" can be defined as a way of not only talking to God (in a relationship manner) but also a way of asking God for simple to impossible things. If this is the case, does this mean that "prayer" is a form of magic?

By magic I refer to powers that has to do with what is evil. Using chants, or amulettes, tarrot cards etc. to effect the world in one way or another. The power of God is not magic, it's the intervention of the divine. It's not for us to control but for God to respond to our prayer the way He sees fit. Of course prayers to spiritual entities I would also call magic. Since it's asking for help from powers of the enemy, and not from God.
 
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"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:" I John 5:14

There's still a lot of variables - how, when, where, etc.

Also, the next verse gives us a little more info "And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him." I John 5:15

So it is with all Scripture, we can't just focus on one or two verses concerning a topic. God's will and character is in His Word.

Plus there's different aspects of prayer as Jesus is my Superhero posted. We're to pray without ceasing (I Thess 5:17). It is about communicating with Him. If God doesn't answer our petitions the way we think He should, He is still God.
 
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Among many people today there is a religious like belief in the power of a piece of cloth to ward off disease.

Just curious - were you thinking of the nursery rhyme...

"Ring-a-ring-a-rosies
A pocket full of posies
A tissue, a tissue
We all fall down… ???
 
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It isn't in the cloth "God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:" "So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them." Acts 19:11-12

The centurion recognized Jesus' power and authority wasn't limited by distance/proximity. (Matt 8:8).
 
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Just curious - were you thinking of the nursery rhyme...

"Ring-a-ring-a-rosies
A pocket full of posies
A tissue, a tissue
We all fall down… ???

The plague of 1347 created many nursery rhymes. The plague revisited Europe every 20 years into the next century, even though it never was as severe as that of 1347. whole villages were wiped of all life and some estimates believe as many as 50% of Western Europe died. The peasants did have a bit of leverage within the feudal system after the 1347 plague dissipated.
 
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