Pfizer vaccine receives FDA approval.

prodromos said:

There is no scientific evidence whatsoever supporting the claim that non-vaccinated individuals are risking the public’s health in any way more than vaccinated people or that their lack of being vaccinated is a factor that facilitates the continuation of the pandemic or that causes a threat of collapse to the healthcare system. Vaccination should be treated as a primary means for providing personal protection against severe illness or death, especially for persons at high risk.

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We have a reasonable alternative to “let nature take it’s course” while this coronavirus sickens our people.
What’s holding us back?
“We don’t know that it won’t hurt us, maybe, down-the-road!?”
This is OUR time to “live and move and have our beings” in: are we going to allow ourselves to shirk our responsibilities to our progeny?

Unless, “it’s the ‘end-times’” so we don’t even have to think about the future?

What a grand time to have lived!

Pommer said:

We have a reasonable alternative to “let nature take it’s course” while this coronavirus sickens our people.

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There are a number of alternative treatments which are very effective when the patient is treated early, allowing them to recover quickly with natural long term T-cell immunity which is effective against all the variants. They have all been pushed aside for the glorious vaccination which doesn't do anything to stop the spread of the disease and doesn't provide long term immunity. All it does is make the pharmaceutical companies rich.

prodromos said:

All it does is make the pharmaceutical companies rich.

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It’s only money.
???

prodromos said:

There is no scientific evidence whatsoever supporting the claim that non-vaccinated individuals are risking the public’s health in any way more than vaccinated people

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That's false. How about the fact that unvaccinated are a vast majority of the serious cases, and are putting a serious strain on hospital capacity?

I get that cherry-picking facts and then trying to build some sort of case using them is attractive, but when doing so ignores what's actually happening in communities with low vaccination rates the story falls pretty flat.

KCfromNC said:

That's false.

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You've said this before, but you never provide any references to back up your claim. Your opinion is noted, and given the respect it warrants.

TLK Valentine said:

I got COVID twice. When do I become immune?

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Like all the rest of us, immunity to viruses is acquired upon death.

RaymondG said:

Read some more.....I've been addressing those that were clearly Atheist and calling them Christians. You need a little more experience in stirring up strife.... but you get an A for effort. Please move along...you won't be able make anyone angry here.

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In case you were unaware, telling a self-professed Christian that they are not a Christian (referring to them as an atheist) is a violation of the rules of the forum.

Mayzoo said:

In case you were unaware, telling a self-professed Christian that they are not a Christian (referring to them as an atheist) is a violation of the rules of the forum.

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The horse died long ago. Do you have anything to contribute to the topic at hand?

Mayzoo said:

Like all the rest of us, immunity to viruses is acquired upon death.

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Statement like these causes me to not know whether or not a person believes in a higher power. But this thread has taught me to check names and titles and genders, although I would rather just treat words as words. Thanks again for the reminders.

prodromos said:

You've said this before, but you never provide any references to back up your claim.

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You really need references to know that unvaccinated people are far more likely to end up in the hospital with covid? OK, fair enough :

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated
Grand majority of COVID patients in area hospitals are unvaccinated, more patients than last year
How many vaccinated vs. unvaccinated COVID-19 patients are there? | wfmynews2.com

And so on and so forth. So yeah, the claim that "There is no scientific evidence whatsoever supporting the claim that non-vaccinated individuals are risking the public’s health in any way more than vaccinated people" is false.

KCfromNC said:

You really need references to know that unvaccinated people are far more likely to end up in the hospital with covid? OK, fair enough :

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Is your righteous indignation, based on the fact that you are trying to save the lives of the unvaccinated????? Or is it that you want them to stop using up beds so that you and your vaccinated friends can be able to use the facilities when you need them?

RaymondG said:

Is you righteous indignation

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No idea where this is coming from, no need to get so emotional about a post which is just posting a few references to data showing that vaccines work to prevent serious cases of covid.

RaymondG said:

Statement like these causes me to not know whether or not a person believes in a higher power. But this thread has taught me to check names and titles and genders, although I would rather just treat words as words. Thanks again for the reminders.

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I'm pretty sure that kind of statement holds regardless of an afterlife or not.

If there's no afterlife, you obviously wouldn't get a virus after you died.

If you died and went to Heaven, there obviously wouldn't be any viruses there.

If you believe that torment in Hell includes being infected by viruses, though, then maybe it could be false, but I don't know if anyone thinks that.

Mayzoo said:

Like all the rest of us, immunity to viruses is acquired upon death.

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The CDC still states on their website that reinfection remains rare. If someone catches it obviously they would fall into the "rare" category but it doesn't take away the fact overall it remains rare. Meaning that for most people that have recovered, the natural immunity has kicked in and is working.

They state they're still doing studies on who gets reinfected, what that means for their immunity, etc.

But if someone were to get reinfected, I would definitely want to know what my antibodies were and if they were to get vaccinated, what they are after vaccination to see what level of protection one has since they might possibly be more prone to infection.

KCfromNC said:

You really need references to know that unvaccinated people are far more likely to end up in the hospital with covid? OK, fair enough :

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated
Grand majority of COVID patients in area hospitals are unvaccinated, more patients than last year
How many vaccinated vs. unvaccinated COVID-19 patients are there? | wfmynews2.com

And so on and so forth. So yeah, the claim that "There is no scientific evidence whatsoever supporting the claim that non-vaccinated individuals are risking the public’s health in any way more than vaccinated people" is false.

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Your post does not address the findings of the Israeli study that vaccinated people are carrying highly contagious viral loads. The fact that they are less likely to experience severe symptoms means there are potentially millions of super spreaders wandering around in public, unaware that they are infected.
Have a nice day.

prodromos said:

Your post does not address the findings of the Israeli study that vaccinated people are carrying highly contagious viral loads. The fact that they are less likely to experience severe symptoms means there are potentially millions of super spreaders wandering around in public, unaware that they are infected.
Have a nice day.

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Would it be “better” if the vaccinated spread their vile affliction to unvaccinated folk, then?

Pommer said:

Would it be “better” if the vaccinated spread their vile affliction to unvaccinated folk, then?

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Those who are unknowingly infected, whether vaccinated or not, are spreading the illness to vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

prodromos said:

Those who are unknowingly infected, whether vaccinated or not, are spreading the illness to vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

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And who is statistically more likely to survive an infection?