THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

SabbathBlessings · Aug 29, 2021

HIM said:
No thanks. She could have did better.

Maybe you can elaborate.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
How do explain the fact that the children of Israel never kept the Sabbath day, or talked about keeping the Sabbath day, until after they left Egypt? Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exo_31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Is it because it is the "sign" of the Sinai Covenant?.

Before the written word of God was the spoken Word of God. God's people have always kept God's laws *Genesis 26:5. Just the fact that God's people were keeping the Sabbath before Exodus 20 should already tell you they already knew about God's Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27. Israel is only a name given by God to His people. If you have not a part of God's Israel you have no part in God's new covenant promise *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God's Israel in the new covenant is no longer those of the flesh born of the seen of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit by believing and following Gods Word *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:27-28. There is no more Jewish and gentile believers we are all one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-14; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; 1 John 3:6-9. The Sabbath is a sign to all of God's people that we worship the only true God of creation that made the heavens and the earth and blessed the seventh day as a holy day of rest and it is our God that saves us from our sins *Exodus 31:13; 17.

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Now back to the OP please. Do you have any scripture that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Ok so how does this post address anything in the the post you are quoting from? - It doesn't. We are indeed in the new covenant now and not in the old covenant but don't forget the scripture context that continue to leave out from Hebrews 8:10-12. What is the new covenant? (Hebrews 8:10-12; Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) - Yep the new covenant is God's law written on the heart through through faith that works by love, which is what I have been sharing with you from the start (please see post # 577 linked).

Jesus doing God's work on the Sabbath is doing good on the Sabbath which is not breaking the Sabbath according to Matthew 12:1-12; Exodus 20:8-11. Do you know what type of work is lawful and not lawful on the Sabbath? As to the rest of your random post here, none of the scriptures you have provided say Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 now do they?

Where is the scriptures that Jesus claims authority over the first day of the week? There is none. Where is the scripture where Jesus claims ownership over the first day of the week or Sunday? There is none. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none.

Of course we know that the disciples met every day of the week breaking bread that does not make every day of the week a holy day or "the Lords day" now does it? Acts of the Apostles 2:47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Would you like to get back to the OP now? Do you have any scripture that shows that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday?

Your response here..

BABerean2 said:
Are you saying it is OK for New Covenant believers to work on the Sabbath day like the man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, and like Christ did at the pool of Siloam? .

What do you think the scriptures in the post you are quoting from above is saying? Do you know the difference between doing God's work and doing good on the Sabbath and breaking the Sabbath by doing our own secular business work or domestic work and including, buying and selling on the Sabbath (see Exodus 20:8-11)?

BABerean2 · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Before the written word of God was the spoken Word of God. God's people have always kept God's laws *Genesis 26:5.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham did keep the commandments God gave him.

"Go to a land I will show you..."

"Circumcise your male offspring..."

"Take you son, your only son, and go to the land of Moriah to offer him as a sacrifice..."

There is nothing in the Bible about Abraham keeping the Sabbath day.
If there was, you could show it to us in the text.
Once again, you are attempting the old "bait-and-switch" strategy of the used car salesman.

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LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham did keep the commandments God gave him.

"Go to a land I will show you..."

"Circumcise your male offspring..."

"Take you son, your only son, and go to the land of Moriah to offer him as a sacrifice..."

There is nothing in the Bible about Abraham keeping the Sabbath day.
If there was, you could show it to us in the text.
Once again, you are attempting the old "bait-and-switch" strategy of the used car salesman.

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Nope. Go look up the Hebrew word meaning for laws in Genesis 26:5

GENESIS 26:5 [5], Because that Abraham [1] OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my [2] CHARGE, my [3] COMMANDMENTS, my [4] STATUTES, and my [5] LAWS

HEBREW

[5] LAWS

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H8451
תֹּורָה (tôwrâh | to-raw')
Derivation: or תֹּרָה; from יָרָה;
Strong's: a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch
KJV: law.

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H8451
H8451. torah
תּוֺרָה noun feminineDeut 1:5 direction, instruction, law (possibly in first instance from casting lots, WeG i, 470; H 394 (less confidently WeSkizzen iii, 167), SS SmAT Rel. Geschichte. 36 BenzArchaeology 408 NowArchaeology ii, 97, opposed to by KöOffenb. ii, 347 BaudPriesterthum 207); — ׳ת, Exod 12:49 88t.; construct תּוֺרַת 13:9 65t.; suffixes תּוֺרָתִי Psa 78:1 16t.; תֹּרָר֯תְךָ Jer 32:23; תֹּרָתוֺ 44:23 34t. suffixes; plural תּוֺרוֺת Neh 9:13; תּוֺרֹת Isa 24:5 2t.; suffix תּוֺרֹתַי Ezek 44:24; תּוֺרֹתָ֯ו 43:11; 44:5 5t. suffixes; —
1 instruction:
a. human: of a mother Prov 1:8; 6:20, 23; of a father 3:1; 4:2; 7:2; of sages 13:14; 28:4 (twice in verse); 28:7, 9; 29:18; of a poet Psa 78:1; חֶסֶד תּוֺרַת kind instruction (of a wise wife) Prov 31:26.
b. divine || אֲמָרִים Job 22:22; through his servants Isa 30:9; Jer 8:8; || אִמְרָה Isa 5:24; || דָּבָר 1:10; || תְּעוּדָה 8:16, 20; || חָזוֺן Lam 2:9; plural תורות Dan 9:10.
c. a body of prophetic (or sometimes perhaps priestly) teaching Isa 42:21, 24; Jer 9:12; 16:11; in the heart Isa 51:7; Psa 37:31; 40:9; || משׁפט Hab 1:4; || משׁפטים Psa 89:31; || דְּבָרִים Jer 6:19; 26:4; Zech 7:12; || חקים Amos 2:4; || חקות Jer 44:10, 23; myriads of precepts Hosea 8:12.
d. instruction in Messianic age Isa 2:3 = Micah 4:4; Isa 42:4; 51:4; Jer 31:33.
e. a body of priestly direction or instruction relating to sacred things Hosea 4:6; Jer 2:8; 18:18; Ezek 7:26; Hag 2:11; Mal 2:6-7, 8, 9; Zeph 3:4; Ezek 22:26; || מוֺרֶה כֹּחֵן לֹא תוֺרָה לֹא2Chr 15:3.
2 law (properly direction): namely
a. of special laws, singular of Feast of Maƒƒoth Exod 13:9 (J), sabbath 16:4 (J); of direction given by priests in particular case Deut 17:11; of statutes of priest's code Exod 12:49 (P), Lev 6:2; 6:7; 6:18; 7:1, 7, 11, 37; 11:46; 12:7; 13:59; 14:2, 32, 54, 57; 15:32; Num 5:29-30, 6:13, 21 (twice in verse); 15:16, 29; 19:2, 14; 31:21 (P); הַבָּיִת תּוֺרַת Ezek 43:12 (twice in verse); ח ׳בֵּין לְמִעְוָךְ2Chr 19:10; plural תּוֺרוֺת laws, || חקים Exod 18:16, 20 (E; of decisions in civil cases given by Moses), Psa 105:45; || מצות Exod 16:28 (J); || חקות מצות, Gen 26:5 (J); || משׁפטים חקים Lev 26:46 (H); || חק ברית, Isa 24:5; || מצות חקים, משׁפטים, Neh 9:13; the laws of the new temple Ezek 43:11; 44:5, 24; those laws in which men should walk Jer 32:23 (Kt).
b. of codes of law, (1) הַתּוֺרָה as written in the code of the covenant, || הַמִּצְוָה Exod 24:12 (E); אלהים תּוֺרַת ספר Josh 24:26 (E); probably also Deut 33:4, || משׁפטים 33:10, || בְּרִית Hosea 8:1; Psa 78:10, || עֵדוּת 78:5; -2the law of the Deuteronomic code, in D and Deuteronomic sections of Kings and sources of Chronicles, הַזּאֹת הַתּוֺרָה Deut 1:5; 4:8, 44; 17:18; 31:9, 11; הַתּ ׳דִּבְרֵי הזאת 27:26; 31:24, + כל 17:19; 27:3, 8; 28:58; 29:28; 31:12; 32:46; הַתּ ׳סֵפֶר הזאת 28:61; הזה התורה ספר 29:20; 30:10; 31:26; Josh 1:8; התורה ספר 8:34; 2Kin 22:8 2Chr 34:15; התורה דברי Josh 8:34; 2Kin 23:24; so משׁה צוך אשׁר התורה Josh 1:7, similarly 22:5; 2Kin 17:13, 34, 37; 21:8; משׁה תּוֺרַת (ספר) Josh 8:31-32, 23:6; 1Kin 2:3; 2Kin 14:6 = ׳הַתּ מ ׳בספר2Chr 25:4; 2Kin 23:25; הַתּ סֵפֶר ׳דִּבְרֵי 22:11= הַתּ ׳דברי2Chr 34:19; יהוה תּוֺרַת 2Kin 10:31. It is probable that ׳ת in Psa 1:2 (twice in verse); 94:12 and some other parts of Chronicles, e.g. 1Chr 22:12; 2Chr 6:16 (= 1Kin 8:25 without ׳ת), refers to Deuteronomic code. (3) other passages of Chronicles may refer to code of D, but most of them certainly refer to the law of the Priests' code. The same is true of Malachi, Daniel and late Psalms. The phrases are: (ספר) משׁה תורת2Chr 23:18; 30:16; Ezra 3:2; 7:6; Neh 8:1; Malachi 3:22; Dan 9:11, 13; יהוה תורת (ספר) Ezra 7:10; Neh 9:3; 1Chr 16:40; 2Chr 12:1; 17:9; 31:3-4, 34:14; 35:26; Psa 19:8; 119:1; (ספר) האלהים תורת Neh 8:18; 10:29; 10:30; הַתּ ׳ספר 8:3; הַתּ ׳דִּבְרֵי 8:9; 8:13; הַתּוֺרָה2Chr 14:3; 31:21; 33:8; Ezra 10:3; Neh 8:2, 7, 14; 10:35; 10:37; 12:44; 13:3; ׳תּ מִּיךָ Psa 119:72; תורתך Neh 9:26, 29, 34; Dan 9:11; Psa 119:18; 119:29; 119:34; 119:44; 119:51; 119:53; 119:55; 119:61; 119:70; 119:77; 119:85; 119:92; 119:97; 119:109; 119:126; 119:136; 119:142; 119:150; 119:153; 119:163; 119:165; 119:174; תּוֺרָה (indefinite) || מצוות חקים, Neh 9:14.
3 custom, manner: הָאָדָם תּוֺרַת 2Sam 7:19 the manner of man, not of God, i.e. deal with me as man with man, Thes, law for man RV, but EwGeschichte. iii. 180 reads דּוֺרֹת (וַתַּרְאֵנִי) hast shewed me generations of men; so We Dr. — On ׳ת see further Dr on Deut 1:10; 24:8; 33:10 and references

Combined Word Definitions, BDB & Thayer - H8451
Original: תּרה תּורה Transliteration: Towrah Phonetic: to-raw’
Definition: 1. law, direction, instruction a. instruction, direction (human or divine)
1. body of prophetic teaching 2. instruction in messianic age 3. body of priestly direction or instruction
4. body of legal directives b. law 1. law of the burnt offering 2. of special law, codes of law
c. custom, manner d. the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law
Origin: from H3384 Part of speech: Noun Feminine

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Torah is all the laws of God both God's moral laws and God's laws for remission of sins and sin offerings under the old covenant. Abraham practices the old covenant laws for remission of sin and animal sacrifices. Do you know what sin is according to the bible? (yep breaking God's law, see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11).

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Now do you have any scripture that says the Lords day is Sunday or the first day of the week? - I guess not. Then if you have no scripture for your teachings who should we believe and follow; God Word or mans? Something to pray about I guess.

Take Care.

BABerean2 · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope. Go look up the Hebrew word meaning for laws in Genesis 26:5

GENESIS 26:5 [5], Because that Abraham [1] OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my [2] CHARGE, my [3] COMMANDMENTS, my [4] STATUTES, and my [5] LAWS

HEBREW

[5] LAWS

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H8451
תֹּורָה (tôwrâh | to-raw')
Derivation: or תֹּרָה; from יָרָה;
Strong's: a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch
KJV: law.

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H8451
H8451. torah
תּוֺרָה noun feminineDeut 1:5 direction, instruction, law (possibly in first instance from casting lots, WeG i, 470; H 394 (less confidently WeSkizzen iii, 167), SS SmAT Rel. Geschichte. 36 BenzArchaeology 408 NowArchaeology ii, 97, opposed to by KöOffenb. ii, 347 BaudPriesterthum 207); — ׳ת, Exod 12:49 88t.; construct תּוֺרַת 13:9 65t.; suffixes תּוֺרָתִי Psa 78:1 16t.; תֹּרָר֯תְךָ Jer 32:23; תֹּרָתוֺ 44:23 34t. suffixes; plural תּוֺרוֺת Neh 9:13; תּוֺרֹת Isa 24:5 2t.; suffix תּוֺרֹתַי Ezek 44:24; תּוֺרֹתָ֯ו 43:11; 44:5 5t. suffixes; —
1 instruction:
a. human: of a mother Prov 1:8; 6:20, 23; of a father 3:1; 4:2; 7:2; of sages 13:14; 28:4 (twice in verse); 28:7, 9; 29:18; of a poet Psa 78:1; חֶסֶד תּוֺרַת kind instruction (of a wise wife) Prov 31:26.
b. divine || אֲמָרִים Job 22:22; through his servants Isa 30:9; Jer 8:8; || אִמְרָה Isa 5:24; || דָּבָר 1:10; || תְּעוּדָה 8:16, 20; || חָזוֺן Lam 2:9; plural תורות Dan 9:10.
c. a body of prophetic (or sometimes perhaps priestly) teaching Isa 42:21, 24; Jer 9:12; 16:11; in the heart Isa 51:7; Psa 37:31; 40:9; || משׁפט Hab 1:4; || משׁפטים Psa 89:31; || דְּבָרִים Jer 6:19; 26:4; Zech 7:12; || חקים Amos 2:4; || חקות Jer 44:10, 23; myriads of precepts Hosea 8:12.
d. instruction in Messianic age Isa 2:3 = Micah 4:4; Isa 42:4; 51:4; Jer 31:33.
e. a body of priestly direction or instruction relating to sacred things Hosea 4:6; Jer 2:8; 18:18; Ezek 7:26; Hag 2:11; Mal 2:6-7, 8, 9; Zeph 3:4; Ezek 22:26; || מוֺרֶה כֹּחֵן לֹא תוֺרָה לֹא2Chr 15:3.
2 law (properly direction): namely
a. of special laws, singular of Feast of Maƒƒoth Exod 13:9 (J), sabbath 16:4 (J); of direction given by priests in particular case Deut 17:11; of statutes of priest's code Exod 12:49 (P), Lev 6:2; 6:7; 6:18; 7:1, 7, 11, 37; 11:46; 12:7; 13:59; 14:2, 32, 54, 57; 15:32; Num 5:29-30, 6:13, 21 (twice in verse); 15:16, 29; 19:2, 14; 31:21 (P); הַבָּיִת תּוֺרַת Ezek 43:12 (twice in verse); ח ׳בֵּין לְמִעְוָךְ2Chr 19:10; plural תּוֺרוֺת laws, || חקים Exod 18:16, 20 (E; of decisions in civil cases given by Moses), Psa 105:45; || מצות Exod 16:28 (J); || חקות מצות, Gen 26:5 (J); || משׁפטים חקים Lev 26:46 (H); || חק ברית, Isa 24:5; || מצות חקים, משׁפטים, Neh 9:13; the laws of the new temple Ezek 43:11; 44:5, 24; those laws in which men should walk Jer 32:23 (Kt).
b. of codes of law, (1) הַתּוֺרָה as written in the code of the covenant, || הַמִּצְוָה Exod 24:12 (E); אלהים תּוֺרַת ספר Josh 24:26 (E); probably also Deut 33:4, || משׁפטים 33:10, || בְּרִית Hosea 8:1; Psa 78:10, || עֵדוּת 78:5; -2the law of the Deuteronomic code, in D and Deuteronomic sections of Kings and sources of Chronicles, הַזּאֹת הַתּוֺרָה Deut 1:5; 4:8, 44; 17:18; 31:9, 11; הַתּ ׳דִּבְרֵי הזאת 27:26; 31:24, + כל 17:19; 27:3, 8; 28:58; 29:28; 31:12; 32:46; הַתּ ׳סֵפֶר הזאת 28:61; הזה התורה ספר 29:20; 30:10; 31:26; Josh 1:8; התורה ספר 8:34; 2Kin 22:8 2Chr 34:15; התורה דברי Josh 8:34; 2Kin 23:24; so משׁה צוך אשׁר התורה Josh 1:7, similarly 22:5; 2Kin 17:13, 34, 37; 21:8; משׁה תּוֺרַת (ספר) Josh 8:31-32, 23:6; 1Kin 2:3; 2Kin 14:6 = ׳הַתּ מ ׳בספר2Chr 25:4; 2Kin 23:25; הַתּ סֵפֶר ׳דִּבְרֵי 22:11= הַתּ ׳דברי2Chr 34:19; יהוה תּוֺרַת 2Kin 10:31. It is probable that ׳ת in Psa 1:2 (twice in verse); 94:12 and some other parts of Chronicles, e.g. 1Chr 22:12; 2Chr 6:16 (= 1Kin 8:25 without ׳ת), refers to Deuteronomic code. (3) other passages of Chronicles may refer to code of D, but most of them certainly refer to the law of the Priests' code. The same is true of Malachi, Daniel and late Psalms. The phrases are: (ספר) משׁה תורת2Chr 23:18; 30:16; Ezra 3:2; 7:6; Neh 8:1; Malachi 3:22; Dan 9:11, 13; יהוה תורת (ספר) Ezra 7:10; Neh 9:3; 1Chr 16:40; 2Chr 12:1; 17:9; 31:3-4, 34:14; 35:26; Psa 19:8; 119:1; (ספר) האלהים תורת Neh 8:18; 10:29; 10:30; הַתּ ׳ספר 8:3; הַתּ ׳דִּבְרֵי 8:9; 8:13; הַתּוֺרָה2Chr 14:3; 31:21; 33:8; Ezra 10:3; Neh 8:2, 7, 14; 10:35; 10:37; 12:44; 13:3; ׳תּ מִּיךָ Psa 119:72; תורתך Neh 9:26, 29, 34; Dan 9:11; Psa 119:18; 119:29; 119:34; 119:44; 119:51; 119:53; 119:55; 119:61; 119:70; 119:77; 119:85; 119:92; 119:97; 119:109; 119:126; 119:136; 119:142; 119:150; 119:153; 119:163; 119:165; 119:174; תּוֺרָה (indefinite) || מצוות חקים, Neh 9:14.
3 custom, manner: הָאָדָם תּוֺרַת 2Sam 7:19 the manner of man, not of God, i.e. deal with me as man with man, Thes, law for man RV, but EwGeschichte. iii. 180 reads דּוֺרֹת (וַתַּרְאֵנִי) hast shewed me generations of men; so We Dr. — On ׳ת see further Dr on Deut 1:10; 24:8; 33:10 and references

Combined Word Definitions, BDB & Thayer - H8451
Original: תּרה תּורה Transliteration: Towrah Phonetic: to-raw’
Definition: 1. law, direction, instruction a. instruction, direction (human or divine)
1. body of prophetic teaching 2. instruction in messianic age 3. body of priestly direction or instruction
4. body of legal directives b. law 1. law of the burnt offering 2. of special law, codes of law
c. custom, manner d. the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law
Origin: from H3384 Part of speech: Noun Feminine

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Torah is all the laws of God both God's moral laws and God's laws for remission of sins and sin offerings under the old covenant. Abraham practices the old covenant laws for remission of sin and animal sacrifices. Do you know what sin is according to the bible? (yep breaking God's law, see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11).

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Now do you have any scripture that says the Lords day is Sunday or the first day of the week? - I guess not. Then if you have no scripture for your teachings who should we believe and follow; God Word or mans?

Take Care.

Nope. Look up Deuteronomy chapter 5.

Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

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LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Nope. Look up Deuteronomy chapter 5.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Yep! We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant but Abraham was not in the new covenant as he practiced the old covenant laws for remission of sins through animal sacrifice. Do you know what the new covenant is? (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22)

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

HIM said:
To say what is not is a sin. No where is the phrase the “ the lord’s day” attributed to any specific day. THAT IS A FACT. Stop please. If anything teach it as something you believe don’t teach it as an absolute. Because it can not be taught that way. Because the phrase “ the lord’s day” is not attributed to any specific day in the Bible.

Him are you doing okay friend? You don't seem like yourself.

HIM · Aug 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Him are you doing okay friend? You don't seem like yourself.

Thanks. We all have issues and there is an issue here. I tire of us thinking we have to have an answer for everything. Outside of un repented sin It is one of the main reasons false doctrines arise. There is pride here and unless checked it will be our undoing.

No matter how many connections we make, No where is the phrase the “ the lord’s day” attributed to any specific day. THAT IS A FACT. If anything teach it as something you believe don’t teach it as an absolute. Because it can not be taught that way. Because the phrase “ the lord’s day” is not attributed to any specific day in the Bible. AND THAT IS A FACT

There is much that was ignored in the following quote, "Here is the thing. There are no verses that prove Sunday is the Lord's Day and one can not prove that the Lord's Day mentioned in Revelation1:10 is the Sabbath CONCLUSIVELY. I see and hear what you have posted my friend and believe it and have shared it in the past. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath and God calling the Sabbath His, is proof enough for me. But sadly there are no verses that DIRECTLY say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath.
So chances of this thread staying on topic is nil. Since they have no argument based on Scripture. And the one we would present is not conclusive because it does not directly say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath. So at best all we can hope and pray for is the thread remains open and some come to the knowledge of the truth regardless.

Happy Sabbath LovesGodsWord, SabbathBlessing and all."

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

HIM said:
Thanks. We all have issues and there is an issue here. I tire of us thinking we have to have an answer for everything. Outside of un repented sin It is one of the main reasons false doctrines arise. There is pride here and unless checked it will be our undoing.

No matter how many connections we make, No where is the phrase the “ the lord’s day” attributed to any specific day. THAT IS A FACT. If anything teach it as something you believe don’t teach it as an absolute. Because it can not be taught that way. Because the phrase “ the lord’s day” is not attributed to any specific day in the Bible. AND THAT IS A FACT

There is much that was ignored in the following quote, "Here is the thing. There are no verses that prove Sunday is the Lord's Day and one can not prove that the Lord's Day mentioned in Revelation1:10 is the Sabbath CONCLUSIVELY. I see and hear what you have posted my friend and believe it and have shared it in the past. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath and God calling the Sabbath His, is proof enough for me. But sadly there are no verses that DIRECTLY say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath.
So chances of this thread staying on topic is nil. Since they have no argument based on Scripture. And the one we would present is not conclusive because it does not directly say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath. So at best all we can hope and pray for is the thread remains open and some come to the knowledge of the truth regardless.

Happy Sabbath LovesGodsWord, SabbathBlessing and all."

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. The bible speaks of only one day that is holy to the Lord and the scripture is written so clear there is no way you can misunderstand what God is saying about His holy day and that day has been His holy day from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 shown throughout the both old and new testament and shown the Sabbath day will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23. God said His sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 so it would be erroneous to assume when John says he is in the spirit of the Lords day it would mean anything different than the day God already claimed as His holy day from Creation until eternity. How confusing would it be if John slipped in a new day of worship without telling anyone or adding any context. No one has the authority but God to change one of His commandments. God wrote them and stored His covenant in His Temple in the Most holy of holy.

These scriptures to me make it known which day God claims as His day, the only day in scripture He blessed, sanctified, told us it is His holy day and commanded us to also keep His Sabbath day holy.

Exodus 20: 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark 2:28 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

These scriptures clearly identify that the Sabbath which God said was on the seventh day is the day of the Lord, His holy day. We are not reading into scripture when God clearly spells out the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord and is the holy day of the Lord i.e. Lords day. I am sorry friend you do not see it this way and there in NO evidence in the bible that the Lords day means a whole new day of the week because God does not change, God promised the Sabbath would be a perpetual covenant and we are shown Sabbath continues on the New Heaven and New Earth we will continue to worship the Lord from one Sabbath to another, which is consistent with all of scriptures. I am sorry you don't see if this way friend. This is not a false teaching, it's the Word of God. His authority over the Sabbath day that was made for man. Mark 2:27

Let me give you an example, if I did something that was traditionally on Wednesday say it was gardening. I wrote a book about gardening and how every Wednesday I would garden. I also wrote in my book how on others day I did not garden only Wednesdays. Throughout the whole book when I mentioned gardening the readers would know it's on Wednesday because I claimed that day clearly in my book. So when I get to the end of my book I write "and on that day I was in the spirit of gardening" why would the readers assume I would be talking about a new day I garden on when my whole book is about Wednesday gardening. This is a poor example compared to THE HOLY DAY OF THE LORD THY GOD which He clearly claimed without a shadow of doubt His holy day is the seventh day Sabbath. God even personally wrote this with His own finger, I don't see how anyone who can get this one confused in my humble opinion.

HIM · Aug 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. The bible speaks of only one day that is holy to the Lord and the scripture is written so clear there is no way you can misunderstand what God is saying about His holy day and that day has been His holy day from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 shown throughout the both old and new testament and shown the Sabbath day will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23. God said His sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 so it would be erroneous to assume when John says he is in the spirit of the Lords day it would mean anything different than the day God already claimed as His holy day from Creation until eternity. How confusing would it be if John slipped in a new day of worship without telling anyone or adding any context. No one has the authority but God to change one of His commandments. God wrote them and stored His covenant in His Temple in the Most holy of holy.

These scriptures to me make it known which day God claims as His day, the only day in scripture He blessed, sanctified, told us it is His holy day and commanded us to also keep His Sabbath day holy.

Exodus 20: 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark 2:28 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

These scriptures clearly identify that the Sabbath which God said was on the seventh day is the day of the Lord, His holy day. We are not reading into scripture when God clearly spells out the Sabbath day is the Sabbath of the Lord and is the holy day of the Lord i.e. Lords day. I am sorry friend you do not see it this way and there in NO evidence in the bible that the Lords day means a whole new day of the week because God does not change, God promised the Sabbath would be a perpetual covenant and we are shown Sabbath continues on the New Heaven and New Earth we will continue to worship the Lord from one Sabbath to another, which is consistent with all of scriptures. I am sorry you don't see if this way friend. This is not a false teaching, it's the Word of God. His authority over the Sabbath day that was made for man. Mark 2:27

Let me give you an example, if I did something that was traditionally on Wednesday say it was gardening. I wrote a book about gardening and how every Wednesday I would garden. I also wrote in my book how on others day I did not garden only Wednesdays. Throughout the whole book when I mentioned gardening the readers would know it's on Wednesday because I claimed that day clearly in my book. So when I get to the end of my book I write "and on that day I was in the spirit of gardening" why would the readers assume I would be talking about a new day I garden on when my whole book is about Wednesday gardening. This is a poor example compared to THE HOLY DAY OF THE LORD THY GOD which He clearly claimed without a shadow of doubt His holy day is the seventh day Sabbath. God even personally wrote this with His own finger, I don't see how anyone who can get this one confused in my humble opinion.

Sad you’re not even reading the post. If you did you would’ve NOT took the time to lay out all this because you know I already know it. Sad indeed

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

HIM said:
Sad you’re not even reading the post. If you did you would’ve NOT took the time to lay out all this because you know I already know it. Sad indeed

I did read the post and my reply is a direct response to your post. I disagree that we can not prove the Lords day is not the same day as the holy day of the Lord that God told us is the seventh day Sabbath see post 611 and @LoveGodsWord post #597. Do you think God claimed two days in scripture?

What surprises me and makes me sad is you do not see this. What makes me also sad is you think these posts come from pride and not love. God's law written on the heart and no where did God write Sunday on our hearts as a new day of worship.

God bless

HIM · Aug 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. The bible speaks of only one day that is holy to the Lord and the scripture is written so clear there is no way you can misunderstand what God is saying about His holy day and that day has been His holy day from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 shown throughout the both old and new testament and shown the Sabbath day will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23. God said His sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 so it would be erroneous to assume when John says he is in the spirit of the Lords day it would mean anything different than the day God already claimed as His holy day from Creation until eternity. How confusing would it be if John slipped in a new day of worship without telling anyone or adding any context. No one has the authority but God to change one of His commandments. God wrote them and stored His covenant in His Temple in the Most holy of holy.

These scriptures to me make it known which day God claims as His day, the only day in scripture He blessed, sanctified, told us it is His holy day and commanded us to also keep His Sabbath day holy.

Exodus 20: 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark 2:28 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

These scriptures clearly identify that the Sabbath which God said was on the seventh day is the day of the Lord, His holy day. We are not reading into scripture when God clearly spells out the Sabbath day is the Sabbath of the Lord and is the holy day of the Lord i.e. Lords day. I am sorry friend you do not see it this way and there in NO evidence in the bible that the Lords day means a whole new day of the week because God does not change, God promised the Sabbath would be a perpetual covenant and we are shown Sabbath continues on the New Heaven and New Earth we will continue to worship the Lord from one Sabbath to another, which is consistent with all of scriptures. I am sorry you don't see if this way friend. This is not a false teaching, it's the Word of God. His authority over the Sabbath day that was made for man. Mark 2:27

Let me give you an example, if I did something that was traditionally on Wednesday say it was gardening. I wrote a book about gardening and how every Wednesday I would garden. I also wrote in my book how on others day I did not garden only Wednesdays. Throughout the whole book when I mentioned gardening the readers would know it's on Wednesday because I claimed that day clearly in my book. So when I get to the end of my book I write "and on that day I was in the spirit of gardening" why would the readers assume I would be talking about a new day I garden on when my whole book is about Wednesday gardening. This is a poor example compared to THE HOLY DAY OF THE LORD THY GOD which He clearly claimed without a shadow of doubt His holy day is the seventh day Sabbath. God even personally wrote this with His own finger, I don't see how anyone who can get this one confused in my humble opinion.

SabbathBlessings said:
I did read the post and my reply is a direct response to your post. I disagree that we can not prove the Lords day is the holy day of the Lord that God told us is the seventh day Sabbath see post 611. Do you think God claimed two days in scripture?

no you are only reading to argue your point
One day he claims holy and That sabbath he claimed as His. In which He also claimed to be lord of. Nowhere however is the Sabbath called the Lord’s day. No where. And because of that one can not conclusively state that John meant the Sabbath. Only John knows and God.

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

HIM said:
no you are only reading to argue your point
One day he claims holy and That sabbath he claimed as His. In which He also claimed to be lord of. Nowhere however is the Sabbath called the Lord’s day. No where. And because of that one can not conclusively state that John meant the Sabbath. Only John knows and God.

So you don't think the holy day of the Lord is the Lord's day? You are splitting hairs my friend.

Root of Jesse · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Absolutely, dear friend. Perhaps you missed them. As demonstrated from the scriptures already according to the bible Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" in the Greek word meanings of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means (1) the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 ; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and Jesus and God (3) claim ownership of the Sabbath day in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. All of the above scriptures are evidence that agree to the interpretation provided from the scriptures alone in Revelation 1:10 that the day the Lord claims ownership over is the Sabbath day. Are you trying to say that Jesus does not claim to be Lord of the Sabbath day when he says in Matthew 12:8 that he is Lord of the Sabbath day claiming authority over the Sabbath and that He does now claim ownership of the Sabbath day when he calls it My holy day which is the meaning of the original Greek of Revelation 1:10 τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" or the Lords ownership of the day?

It's funny how the person you're replying to asked you "have you any Scriptural proof?" and you answer with non-Scripture, some concordance or another which says a translation means something. Brother, that's not Scripture. Just saying, you ask people to provide Scripture, and when they ask the same of you, you provide non-Scripture...

Nope. None of those scriptures say Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 now do they? Where is the scriptures that Jesus claims authority over the first day of the week? There is none. Where is the scripture where Jesus claims ownership over the first day of the week or Sunday? There is none. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none. Of course we know that the disciples met every day of the week breaking bread that does not make every day of the week a holy day or "the Lords day" now does it? Acts of the Apostles 2:47-48 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The apostles determined Christ to be the authority over Sunday as the day He rose.

Well none of this addresses anything in the OP. Please re-read the OP and stop spamming the same post over and over. As posted in the OP and shared with you already throughout this thread, the challenge of the OP if you disagree with the scriptures provided that prove that "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is the Sabbath day, is to please provide scripture from God's Word showing that "the Lords day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to Sunday or the first day of the week. We know what the man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early church were in regards to their claims that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week from written sources outside of the scriptures which you have provided here and elsewhere already in this thread. The purpose of this OP is to examine if these outside sources and claims written by men outside of Gods Word is biblical or not and supported by the scriptures. So once again, do you have any scripture that supports the man-made teachings and traditions of the early Church that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? Look forward to your response. Let's be honest here dear friend. If you have no scripture that supports this man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early church, just say so and lets move on with the discussion.

Take Care.

HIM · Aug 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
So you don't think the holy day of the Lord is the Lord's day? You are splitting hairs my friend.

Once again you are not reading the posts you are responding to. If you had you would not be asking me what I believe

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

HIM said:
Once again you are not reading the posts you are responding to. If you had you would not be asking me what I believe

Please correct me what I am missing.

You stated this:

HIM said:
Nowhere however is the Sabbath called the Lord’s day.

My response

So you don't think the holy day of the Lord is the Lord's day?

Which my assessment still stands
You are splitting hairs my friend.

SabbathBlessings · Aug 30, 2021

Root of Jesse said:
It's funny how the person you're replying to asked you "have you any Scriptural proof?" and you answer with non-Scripture, some concordance or another which says a translation means something. Brother, that's not Scripture. Just saying, you ask people to provide Scripture, and when they ask the same of you, you provide non-Scripture...The apostles determined Christ to be the authority over Sunday as the day He rose.

I noticed 18 scripture references in @LoveGodsWord post and no scripture references in your post so I find it a bit ironic you would say this.

God has authority over all days, but God only blessed, sanctified, made holy and is a commandment of God one day and that day is the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13. God told us to do our work and labor as He did on days 1-6. Exodus 20:9 There is no scripture telling us there is a new day of worship when Jesus rises. If there was scripture stating it, I am certain it would have been posted by now.

God bless

LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Absolutely, dear friend. Perhaps you missed them. As demonstrated from the scriptures already according to the bible Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" in the Greek word meanings of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means (1) the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 ; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and Jesus and God (3) claim ownership of the Sabbath day in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. All of the above scriptures are evidence that agree to the interpretation provided from the scriptures alone in Revelation 1:10 that the day the Lord claims ownership over is the Sabbath day. Are you trying to say that Jesus does not claim to be Lord of the Sabbath day when he says in Matthew 12:8 that he is Lord of the Sabbath day claiming authority over the Sabbath and that He does now claim ownership of the Sabbath day when he calls it My holy day which is the meaning of the original Greek of Revelation 1:10 τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" or the Lords ownership of the day?

Your response.

Root of Jesse said:
It's funny how the person you're replying to asked you "have you any Scriptural proof?" and you answer with non-Scripture, some concordance or another which says a translation means something. Brother, that's not Scripture. Just saying, you ask people to provide Scripture, and when they ask the same of you, you provide non-Scripture...The apostles determined Christ to be the authority over Sunday as the day He rose.

Jesse, the scriptures are provided in the post you are quoting from. Please read the post before responding. What is it in the post you are responding to that you disagree with?

Take Care.

Root of Jesse · Aug 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
I noticed 18 scripture references in @LoveGodsWord post and no scripture references in your post so I find it a bit ironic you would say this.

God has authority over all days, but God only blessed, sanctified, made holy and is a commandment of God one day and that day is the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13. God told us to do our work and labor as He did on days 1-6. Exodus 20:9 There is no scripture telling us there is a new day of worship when Jesus rises. If there was scripture stating it, I am certain it would have been posted by now.

God bless

Oh, I agree with you, God is in charge of all days, he directs us to work six days and rest on the seventh. This speaks nothing of worship, and I provided EXACTLY Exodus 20:8-11 as proof. WHERE DOES IT SAY TO WORSHIP ON THE SABBATH??? It says "rest" and "keep it holy". No mention of worship. And I find all kinds of places, like Jeremiah 7, where God criticizes the Israelites for breaking every other commandment, but never about the commandment on Sabbath rest. And, in fact, you will find throughout Scripture the temple priests offering sacrifice (which is what worship is, btw) every day. Sacrifice to the Lord. The only ones critical of people breaking the Sabbath rest were, in fact, the Pharisees.
You seem to forget that Jesus is God, and He blessed Sunday by His resurrection.
You also place restrictions on this by demanding Scripture. But Jesus Himself didn't demand Scripture. He didn't write any, and he didn't demand that anyone write any. He told the apostles to go out and teach The apostles themselves kept the Sabbath AND worshiped Jesus on Sunday. Every time we present any document showing the second generation worshiping on Sunday, you say something about translation. I think you know that translation is not Scriptural, right? No, we go by the authority Jesus gave to the apostles and their successors to teach us when we should worship. You want to be a Jew, go ahead, be a Jew. But please, just go worship when you think you should worship, and I will worship Him every day. Saturday, included. But Sunday-Friday, too.

THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

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