GOD'S PEOPLE ARE TO BE A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD?

narnia59 · Aug 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry narnia perhaps my question was not very clear. Your saying that to be a Royal Priest according to the scriptures means to suffer with Christ. Doesn't it means to follow Christs example and do what Christ did by following what Gods' Word says?

To follow Christ's example and to do what Christ commands is to be a disciple. Lots of religious leaders have disciples in this way. The question about being part of a royal priesthood is more specific than that. The role of a priest is to offer sacrifice; the way we do that is by offering our sufferings in this life to join with those of Christ, the eternal priest.

Leaf473 · Aug 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry for the slow reply. Just getting back to this now. Correct, just like the physical sign of "circumcision" was pointing to God's new covenant promise of a new heart through faith.

No problem about a slow reply, just reply when you are ready.

The idea that a law is a shadow law if it is an outward sign of an inward experience, is something stated in the scriptures?

Or is it an extension, a particular interpretation, of those New testament passages that talk about circumcision being an outward sign of an inward experience?

Leaf473 · Aug 26, 2021

narnia59 said:
I think the Scriptures teach us that the role of a priest is to offer sacrifice to God. Leviticus is full of those references.

That is why Peter tells us that as a royal priesthood we are to offer spiritual sacrifices to God (1 Peter 2:4-5). We can only do this because we are united to Christ and his offering to the Father on our behalf.

St. Paul writes similarly in Colossians 1:24 when he says that "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church." I would not interpret that to mean there is something materially lacking in Christ's sacrifice -- there is not. But Christ leaves "room" in his own offering to the Father for us to participate.

It's why we are told we must take up our cross and follow Christ (Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24,Mark 8:34, Mark 9:23). We are told by Christ we must deny ourselves. When we do that, we are offering spiritual sacrifices joined to Christ's sacrifice.

Later in the same passage where Peter refers to us a royal priesthood, he says that "For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps." (1 Peter 2:21). Throughout Scripture we are taught that we are to suffer along with Christ. "It is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God, vand if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him." (Romans 8:16-17). "that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead." (Philipians 3:10-11)

Christ's suffering for us on the cross was the offering which saves us. Through our suffering we unite ourselves to Christ and so offer our lives as a sacrifice. This is what it means to be a royal priesthood. And it doesn't have to be heroic suffering like martyrdom, although some are called to that. It can be the small things in our everyday lives if we make the decision to offer them with love.

Putting on my Catholic thinking cap for a moment, isn't the priest seen as offering a sacrifice to God as he offers the host?

In the Masses that I've been at, I think the priest also says,
"Pray, my brothers and sisters, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable..."

That sounds to me like the laity are included in the priestly function of offering the sacrifice. So if I'm understanding it right, they would be a kingdom of priests in that sense as well.

Francis Drake · Aug 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
So what does it mean for us to be of the Royal Priesthood?

Both Israel and the church are collectively labelled by the Lord as a royal priesthood.

In my understanding, the prime purpose of the priesthood is to to intercede and offer sacrifices on behalf of other, not for yourself. So for both Israel in its time, and the church, I believe our prime priesthood is interceding and representing the world to God, and the same for God to the world.

narnia59 · Aug 26, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Putting on my Catholic thinking cap for a moment, isn't the priest seen as offering a sacrifice to God as he offers the host?

In the Masses that I've been at, I think the priest also says,
"Pray, my brothers and sisters, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable..."

That sounds to me like the laity are included in the priestly function of offering the sacrifice. So if I'm understanding it right, they would be a kingdom of priests in that sense as well.

At the Mass, Christ is offered to God on our behalf, and we are joined to him in that offering. The Mass is the fulfillment of the Old Testament Passover liturgy, whereby the Passover Lamb is both sacrificed and consumed as a family meal.

If you research the way the Jewish people understood Passover, you find that they don't view it is as being a "looking back" on what happened at the time of Exodus. They view it as an active participation in what happened at the time of Exodus. They understand the liturgy breaks the bonds of time and makes those events real and present to them. This is why when God gives Moses the instructions of how the future generation of children are to ask "What do you mean by this service?", the answer is to be "It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover" (Exodus 12:26-27) Not it "was."

Christ is sacrificed once, for all (Hebrews 9:26). That means for all people, for all time. At the Mass, the one sacrifice of Christ is made present, we unite ourselves to him, and He is offered to the Father on our behalf.

You cite from the Mass the prayer ""Pray, my brothers and sisters, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable..." That is an echo of St. Paul, who writes to the Romans "But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit." (Romans 15:15-16) Paul sees himself in the role of an ordained priest. Some translations whitewash the "priestly" part. But if you look at that word in the Greek, Strong's concordance records it as ierourgounta (2418) and defines it as a combination of the Greek words “hieros” and “ergon” and means to “perform sacred rites.” "Hieros" is the same word used for the Old Covenant priests from the family of Aaron. Paul is "performing sacred rites" -- presiding over the liturgy and it is necessary he be there in his priestly role so that the offering made by the Gentiles is acceptable.

So yes, as we join ourselves to Christ we are offered to the Father along with him and that is a priestly function, the priesthood of the believer. But just as the Old Covenant priesthood of the nation required a ministerial priest so that their offerings may be acceptable to God, so does the priesthood of the believer.

Leaf473 · Aug 26, 2021

Francis Drake said:
Both Israel and the church are collectively labelled by the Lord as a royal priesthood.

In my understanding, the prime purpose of the priesthood is to to intercede and offer sacrifices on behalf of other, not for yourself. So for both Israel in its time, and the church, I believe our prime priesthood is interceding and representing the world to God, and the same for God to the world.

That would fit well with this verse, imo

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and givings of thanks be made for all people.

Leaf473 · Aug 26, 2021

narnia59 said:
At the Mass, Christ is offered to God on our behalf, and we are joined to him in that offering. The Mass is the fulfillment of the Old Testament Passover liturgy, whereby the Passover Lamb is both sacrificed and consumed as a family meal.

If you research the way the Jewish people understood Passover, you find that they don't view it is as being a "looking back" on what happened at the time of Exodus. They view it as an active participation in what happened at the time of Exodus. They understand the liturgy breaks the bonds of time and makes those events real and present to them. This is why when God gives Moses the instructions of how the future generation of children are to ask "What do you mean by this service?", the answer is to be "It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover" (Exodus 12:26-27) Not it "was."

Christ is sacrificed once, for all (Hebrews 9:26). That means for all people, for all time. At the Mass, the one sacrifice of Christ is made present, we unite ourselves to him, and He is offered to the Father on our behalf.

You cite from the Mass the prayer ""Pray, my brothers and sisters, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable..." That is an echo of St. Paul, who writes to the Romans "But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit." (Romans 15:15-16) Paul sees himself in the role of an ordained priest. Some translations whitewash the "priestly" part. But if you look at that word in the Greek, Strong's concordance records it as ierourgounta (2418) and defines it as a combination of the Greek words “hieros” and “ergon” and means to “perform sacred rites.” "Hieros" is the same word used for the Old Covenant priests from the family of Aaron. Paul is "performing sacred rites" -- presiding over the liturgy and it is necessary he be there in his priestly role so that the offering made by the Gentiles is acceptable.

So yes, as we join ourselves to Christ we are offered to the Father along with him and that is a priestly function, the priesthood of the believer. But just as the Old Covenant priesthood of the nation required a ministerial priest so that their offerings may be acceptable to God, so does the priesthood of the believer.

Thanks for the explanation!

narnia59 · Aug 26, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Thanks for the explanation!

You're very welcome.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2021

Francis Drake said:
Both Israel and the church are collectively labelled by the Lord as a royal priesthood. In my understanding, the prime purpose of the priesthood is to to intercede and offer sacrifices on behalf of other, not for yourself. So for both Israel in its time, and the church, I believe our prime priesthood is interceding and representing the world to God, and the same for God to the world.

Hi Francis, good points but Isn't ISRAEL in the new covenant according to the scriptures all those who now believe and follow God's Word? (e.g. Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 11:13-27 etc)

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2021

Leaf473 said:
No problem about a slow reply, just reply when you are ready.

The idea that a law is a shadow law if it is an outward sign of an inward experience, is something stated in the scriptures?

Or is it an extension, a particular interpretation, of those New testament passages that talk about circumcision being an outward sign of an inward experience?

Correct. For example the outward physical sign of circumcision in the flesh was a "shadow law" of the old covenant pointing to God's new covenant promise of a new heart through faith to be obedient to God's law *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 3:31. So the physical sign of circumcision in the old covenant pointed to what was to come in God's new covenant promise of Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 (compare, Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 Corinthians 7:19 etc etc). So the physical outward sign of the old covenant was pointing to the spiritual inward sign in the new covenant and is what it means to be born again through the Spirit of God by faith in God's Word (see 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31) and to walk in obedience to God's law.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2021

narnia59 said:
To follow Christ's example and to do what Christ commands is to be a disciple. Lots of religious leaders have disciples in this way. The question about being part of a royal priesthood is more specific than that. The role of a priest is to offer sacrifice; the way we do that is by offering our sufferings in this life to join with those of Christ, the eternal priest.

Thank you for the clarification of what your saying narnia and for sharing your view. The way that I believe we are to be a part of the Royal Priesthood according to the scriptures is to simply believe and follow what God's Word says and to follow Jesus who is our example. This is what it means for us to offer up sacrifice to God in the new covenant *Ephesians 5:2. Our sacrifice is that of believing and following Gods' Word says by taking up our cross daily in service to God's through His Word *Luke 9:23; Philippians 2:17, giving praises to God continually *Hebrews 13:15; looking after ourselves and not following the ways of this world *Romans 12:1-2.

Leaf473 · Aug 28, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Correct. For example the outward physical sign of circumcision in the flesh was a "shadow law" of the old covenant pointing to God's new covenant promise of a new heart through faith to be obedient to God's law *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 3:31. So the physical sign of circumcision in the old covenant pointed to what was to come in God's new covenant promise of Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 (compare, Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 Corinthians 7:19 etc etc). So the physical outward sign of the old covenant was pointing to the spiritual inward sign in the new covenant and is what it means to be born again through the Spirit of God by faith in God's Word (see 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31) and to walk in obedience to God's law.

Thanks for your response!
In your post 109 here:

LoveGodsWord said:
As posted somewhere else. Most of the laws besides the 10 commandments and God's dietary and health laws and subsidiary moral laws are laws for the remission of sins that are "shadow laws" of the old covenant that include around 60-70% of old testament laws that are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to. These include all the Levitical Priesthood laws, all the Sanctuary laws, all the laws for animal sacrifices and sin offerings, all the laws in the annual Feast days as well as the laws of circumcision etc. We are in the new covenant now Leaf not the old covenant. God's 10 commandments however are Gods' eternal laws that have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James if we brake anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Of course this includes Gods 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is according to the scriptures.

I see "...the 10 commandments and God's dietary and health laws and subsidiary moral laws...".
but I don't see tithing laws. Do you regard the tithing laws as part of God's eternal law?

If so, do you believe Leviticus 27:32 is to be followed by the letter?

Francis Drake · Aug 28, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Francis, good points but Isn't ISRAEL in the new covenant according to the scriptures all those who now believe and follow God's Word? (e.g. Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 11:13-27 etc)

Exactly.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 29, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Thanks for your response!
In your post 109 here:

I see "...the 10 commandments and God's dietary and health laws and subsidiary moral laws...".
but I don't see tithing laws. Do you regard the tithing laws as part of God's eternal law?

If so, do you believe Leviticus 27:32 is to be followed by the letter?

Kind of going off topic to the OP here Leaf. Do you believe in tithing? Yes you have posted the scripture. Everything we have is from God. I believe giving back the 10% only acknowledges this and helps us to remember this but many today according to the scriptures rob God and miss out on the blessings he bestows from tithing. I did not really want to discuss this in the OP though so if we could stay on topic it would be helpful.

God bless.

narnia59 · Aug 29, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Kind of going off topic to the OP here Leaf. Do you believe in tithing? Yes you have posted the scripture. Everything we have is from God. I believe giving back the 10% only acknowledges this and helps us to remember this but many today according to the scriptures rob God and miss out on the blessings he bestows from tithing. I did not really want to discuss this in the OP though so if we could stay on topic it would be helpful.

God bless.

Not asked of me, but tithing is the standard of giving under the Mosaic law. The new Covenant standard is "every one to his ability." (Acts 11:29). For some, 10% is not breaking a sweat. For others, that would put the ability to meet the basic needs of their family in jeopardy, and they should not do that.

But for those who insist on following the Mosaic law thinking that by bringing the "full tithes" as instructed in Malachi 3:6-10 this will somehow bring forth God's blessing, you should know that the "full tithes" is much more than 10%. That's just the Levitical tithe, or sacred tithe mentioned in Num. 18:21-24. There is also the tithe of the feasts found in Deut. 14:22-27 and the tithe for the poor in Deut. 14:28-29. That's closer to 22% if you really intend to keep the Mosaic tithing laws. And they need to be designated for those specific purposes I would think.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 29, 2021

narnia59 said:
Not asked of me, but tithing is the standard of giving under the Mosaic law. The new Covenant standard is "every one to his ability." (Acts 11:29). For some, 10% is not breaking a sweat. For others, that would put the ability to meet the basic needs of their family in jeopardy, and they should not do that.

Actually it is not. There is nothing in Acts of the Apostles 11:29 that says that giving what you can is a replacement for tithing. Acts of the Apostles 11:29 says Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brothers which dwelled in Judaea. The context here is not to tithing but to the famine throughout the land and helping the needy. See the context in Acts of the Apostles 11:27-29

narnia59 said:
But for those who insist on following the Mosaic law thinking that by bringing the "full tithes" as instructed in Malachi 3:6-10 this will somehow bring forth God's blessing, you should know that the "full tithes" is much more than 10%. That's just the Levitical tithe, or sacred tithe mentioned in Num. 18:21-24. There is also the tithe of the feasts found in Deut. 14:22-27 and the tithe for the poor in Deut. 14:28-29. That's closer to 22% if you really intend to keep the Mosaic tithing laws. And they need to be designated for those specific purposes I would think.

Actually no that is not true at all. The scriptures you have provided from Numbers 18:21-24 and Deuteronomy 14:22-29 are only about tithing (not extra tithing). According to the scriptures the tithe is only 10% (see Leviticus 27:30). Tithe therefore is 10% of your increase or income. God promises to bless us for tithing as shown in Malachi 3:6-10 and states there we are robing him by not paying our due increase to Him. That said this is another topic for some other time. This one is to the Royal Priesthood

Thanks for sharing your view though

narnia59 · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually it is not. There is nothing in Acts of the Apostles 11:29 that says that giving what you can is a replacement for tithing. Acts of the Apostles 11:29 says Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brothers which dwelled in Judaea. The context here is not to tithing but to the famine throughout the land and helping the needy. See the context in Acts of the Apostles 11:27-29

Actually no that is not true at all. Your the scriptures you have provided from Numbers 18:21-24 and Deuteronomy 14:22-29 are only about tithing (not extra tithing). According to the scriptures the tithe is only 10% (see Leviticus 27:30). Tithe therefore is 10% of your increase or income. God promises to bless us for tithing as shown in Malachi 3:6-10 and states there we are robing him by not paying our due increase to Him. That said this is another topic for some other time. This one is to the Royal Priesthood

Thanks for sharing your view though

As this is also your "view" that you have shared.

A couple of articles for consideration.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe? | GotQuestions.org

Though we might assume Old Testament Israel gave a total of 10 percent, it’s actually difficult to discern how much was given. We can’t linger over details in this short article, but some think the Israelites gave 14 tithes over seven years; others believe they gave 12. Regardless, when we add the required tithes together, the amount certainly exceeded 10 percent. In fact, the number was probably somewhere around 20 percent per year.

7 Reasons Christians Are Not Required to Tithe

LoveGodsWord · Aug 30, 2021

narnia59 said:
In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

Well that is not true as none of the scripture you have provided are talking about multiple tithes adding up to 23%. Did you check those scripture references from those articles? They are the same tithe put to different uses under the Temple and the Priesthood. The scriptures you have provided from Numbers 18:21-24 and Deuteronomy 14:22-29 are only about tithing (not extra tithing). According to the scriptures the tithe is only 10% (see Leviticus 27:30). Tithe therefore is 10% of your increase or income. God promises to bless us for tithing as shown in Malachi 3:6-10 and states there we are robing him by not paying our due increase to Him. That said this is another topic for some other time. This one is to the Royal Priesthood

narnia59 said:
After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

Your trying to argue God's Word against God's Word. The new testament scriptures are built off the old testament scriptures. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures. There is no commandment or scripture in the new testament to stop tithing. If God's laws were already known and practiced by Gods' people why would they need to be repeated again? That argument does not really make any sense and is not biblical.

narnia59 said:
The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

Offerings are not the same as tithes. 2 Corinthians 9:7 is not talking about tithes it is talking about offerings for the poor *2 Corinthians 9:12.

narnia59 said:
Though we might assume Old Testament Israel gave a total of 10 percent, it’s actually difficult to discern how much was given. We can’t linger over details in this short article, but some think the Israelites gave 14 tithes over seven years; others believe they gave 12. Regardless, when we add the required tithes together, the amount certainly exceeded 10 percent. In fact, the number was probably somewhere around 20 percent per year.

This one is not hard see Leviticus 27:30. We are to tithe 10% of our increase.

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Thanks for this but all you have provided here is someone else's opinion over the scriptures shared with you earlier that disagree with your earlier claims in my view to justify robing God which is what the scriptures say for those who do not honor God by robing him of His tithes. We should remember that all the arguments of the above all fall to pieces when one understands who God's Israel is under Gods' new covenant promise. Gods' Israel is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow His Word. According to Gods' new covenant promise God's Israel are no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who through faith have been born again of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9). Tithing as shown above is a part of God's Word and there is no scripture in God's Word that says we are to stop tithing.

This is taking the OP off topic so if we could return to the topic of the OP which is on the Royal Priesthood it would be great. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Thanks for sharing your view though.

Leaf473 · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Kind of going off topic to the OP here Leaf. Do you believe in tithing? Yes you have posted the scripture. Everything we have is from God. I believe giving back the 10% only acknowledges this and helps us to remember this but many today according to the scriptures rob God and miss out on the blessings he bestows from tithing. I did not really want to discuss this in the OP though so if we could stay on topic it would be helpful.

God bless.

From the OP:

LoveGodsWord said:
Therefore obedience to God's commandments is the standard of holiness and the Royal Priesthood is obedient to God's commandments not disobedient to God's commandments which is the opposite of holy to unholy and unrighteous.

I asked earlier in this thread if you thought we were to keep those commandments in principle or by the letter.

I understood your answer to be that we are to do both.

So it seems reasonably in line with the thread topic to ask about a particular commandment.

But did you just want to talk about keeping the letters of the ten commandments as being the basis of the holiness of the royal priesthood, and no other commandments?

narnia59 · Aug 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that is not true as none of the scripture you have provided are talking about multiple tithes adding up to 23%. Did you check those scripture references from those articles? They are the same tithe put to different uses under the Temple and the Priesthood. The scriptures you have provided from Numbers 18:21-24 and Deuteronomy 14:22-29 are only about tithing (not extra tithing). According to the scriptures the tithe is only 10% (see Leviticus 27:30). Tithe therefore is 10% of your increase or income. God promises to bless us for tithing as shown in Malachi 3:6-10 and states there we are robing him by not paying our due increase to Him. That said this is another topic for some other time. This one is to the Royal Priesthood

Your trying to argue God's Word against God's Word. The new testament scriptures are built off the old testament scriptures. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures. There is no commandment or scripture in the new testament to stop tithing. If God's laws were already known and practiced by Gods' people why would they need to be repeated again? That argument does not really make any sense and is not biblical.

Offerings are not the same as tithes. 2 Corinthians 9:7 is not talking about tithes it is talking about offerings for the poor *2 Corinthians 9:12.

This one is not hard see Leviticus 27:30. We are to tithe 10% of our increase.

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Thanks for this but all you have provided here is someone else's opinion over the scriptures shared with you earlier that disagree with your earlier claims in my view to justify robing God which is what the scriptures say for those who do not honor God by robing him of His tithes. We should remember that all the arguments of the above all fall to pieces when one understands who God's Israel is under Gods' new covenant promise. Gods' Israel is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow His Word. According to Gods' new covenant promise God's Israel are no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who through faith have been born again of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9). Tithing as shown above is a part of God's Word and there is no scripture in God's Word that says we are to stop tithing.

This is taking the OP off topic so if we could return to the topic of the OP which is on the Royal Priesthood it would be great. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Thanks for sharing your view though.

All that exists on this board are opinions you know. Including yours. I just provided additional ones that agree with the view I presented.

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