Cain and Able: Why does God hate vegans?

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I found out that according to Jews this is a myth about agrarian life vs nomadic life. Agrarian cultures lead to dangerous class distinctions, overpopulated poverty, and the effective enslavement of women. And that is what God dislikes, not vegetarianism.
 
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OK,

OK, why did God favor Able so much?

Keep in mind that the sacrifices that the Israelites are called to offer to the Lord include the grain offering, so it's not like God has anything against plants. The Bible doesn't really record why God didn't accept Cain's offering while accepting Abel, but the common interpretation is that Abel gave the best of his flock while Cain did not. God's conversation with Cain afterwards (Genesis 4:7) implies that Cain actually knew what God wants from the offering, but deliberately did not do what is asked.

After all, God is more concerned about the state of the heart of the people than the content of the offering, as He declares against Israel's ritual sacrifices, who "come near to [Him] with their mouth and honor [Him] with their lips, but their hearts are far from [Him]" (Isaiah 29:13):

"What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the LORD;
I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of well-fed beasts;
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
or of lambs, or of goats." (Isaiah 1:11)
 
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I found out that according to Jews this is a myth about agrarian life vs nomadic life. Agrarian cultures lead to dangerous class distinctions, overpopulated poverty, and the effective enslavement of women. And that is what God dislikes, not vegetarianism.
The issue with Cain and Abel has nothing to do with eating meat or being vegan. It was the nature of the offering each brought to God. Cain brought the results of his self-effort, while Abel offered the prescribed offering of a lamb.

The idea that God hates vegans is just another of the silly nonsense that is being promulgated in His name by people who don't know what the Gospel is all about and have no idea of exactly who God and Christ really are.

If these people are going to adamantly hold to such idiotic stuff, then, as the Bible says, "Let the ignorant remain ignorant".
 
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God can and does hate:

Psalm 5 NIV
4 For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness;
with you, evil people are not welcome.
5 The arrogant cannot stand
in your presence.
You hate all who do wrong;
6 you destroy those who tell lies.
The bloodthirsty and deceitful
you, Lord, detest.
Psalm 5 NIV

God does not hate vegans! Draw your information from actual Bible verses, please.

Hebrews 9:22 NIV
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Hebrews 9
6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, a he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining b eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, c so that we may serve the living God!

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Hmm the logic of the poll is similar to - you eat animals. Therefore, you are cannibal. Is there like a vegan trolling raffle where these are picked from?
 
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OK,

OK, why did God favor Able so much?

He favoured Able because Abel was righteous in heart, Cain was not.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain,


All people were Vegetarian/vegan at this time. They didn't eat meat until after the flood. Abel didn't keep flocks to eat, but to sacrifice to the Lord and for the wool.

Why do you think Cain killed him? His heart was evil. Normal people don't go and kill their family members because they are angry. They might toss angry words around but they don't club them over the head.
God warned him
Genesis 4:7
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
At this point he could have repented and turned towards God but he didn't.


Genesis 4:8
Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
Instead he disregarded God and took his brother out to the field with the intention of killing him. It was premeditated murder. He was evil and God knew it. Giving an offering to God while your heart and mind are full of evil doesn't cut it.
 
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OK,

OK, why did God favor Able so much?
Abel's sacrifice was provided by God and prefigured the sacrifice of Christ. Abel sacrificed by faith (Hebrews 11:4). Cain offered the work of his own hands and without faith. It has nothing to do with diet.
 
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Keep in mind that the sacrifices that the Israelites are called to offer to the Lord include the grain offering, so it's not like God has anything against plants. The Bible doesn't really record why God didn't accept Cain's offering while accepting Abel, but the common interpretation is that Abel gave the best of his flock while Cain did not. God's conversation with Cain afterwards (Genesis 4:7) implies that Cain actually knew what God wants from the offering, but deliberately did not do what is asked.

Cain brought his 1st fruits, there is no indication that he had livestock until God's punishment forcing him to live as a nomadic herdsman just like Able was.
 
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He favoured Able because Abel was righteous in heart, Cain was not.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain,


All people were Vegetarian/vegan at this time. They didn't eat meat until after the flood. Abel didn't keep flocks to eat, but to sacrifice to the Lord and for the wool.
I find it highly unlikely that they kept livestock that they did not eat. They ate what was left after the offering of the "fat portions".

He was evil and God knew it. Giving an offering to God while your heart and mind are full of evil doesn't cut it.
I don't think these were real people I think they represent the nomadic life that the Jews had vs. farming. And Cain's punishment was to become a nomadic herdsman just like his brother was, and given a mark of protection so no one would harm him. Not a very harsh punishment, don't you think?
 
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Hmm the logic of the poll is similar to - you eat animals. Therefore, you are cannibal. Is there like a vegan trolling raffle where these are picked from?
Just the opposite, God favored Able who rose livestock. I'm saying it's about a morality tale of the nomadic herdsman's life vs the agricultural life and his punishment was that he couldn't raise crops anymore, he had to become a nomadic herdsman just like his brother was and God gave him a mark of protection so he could travel unmolested.
 
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The idea that God hates vegans is just another of the silly nonsense
That is precisely my point. If you take the story literally the moral of the story is that God hates farmers which makes absolutely no sense but that is the only thing you can get out of a literal interpretation.

But it makes perfect sense as the symbolism of God wanting the early Jews to be nomadic herdsmen rather than farmers. I've been mystified by this story since I was a child because the literal interpretation forces you into absurd propositions.
 
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The Bible doesn't really record why God didn't accept Cain's offering while accepting Abel, but the common interpretation is that Abel gave the best of his flock while Cain did not. God's conversation with Cain afterwards (Genesis 4:7) implies that Cain actually knew what God wants from the offering, but deliberately did not do what is asked.
Cain didn't have a flock, he grew crops. Part of his punishment was that he couldn't grow crops anymore.
 
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He favoured Able because Abel was righteous in heart, Cain was not.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain,


All people were Vegetarian/vegan at this time. They didn't eat meat until after the flood. Abel didn't keep flocks to eat, but to sacrifice to the Lord and for the wool...


Who told you what Adam's family had for dinner?
 
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Who told you what Adam's family had for dinner?
The Bible makes it very clear how they lived. But Cain's punishment was a slap on the wrist, he wasn't allowed to grow crops anymore, he had to become a herdsman like his brother was and he was given a mark of protection so no one could harm him.
 
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The Bible makes it very clear how they lived. But Cain's punishment was a slap on the wrist, he wasn't allowed to grow crops anymore, he had to become a herdsman like his brother was and he was given a mark of protection so no one could harm him.

I like to learn.Please tell me how you know what they ate. And how do we know Cain became a herdsman?
 
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