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And scripture does not agree with you. Nowhere is the phrase” the lord’s day attributed to any day
Sorry I do not agree with you as your not considering application of Revelation 1:10. Please see post 579 showing why. It is the application of Revelation 1:10 of κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" that means the Lords ownership of the day to scriptures in the bible. These scriptures already provided in the linked post show that that the only day in the bible that the Lord claims both authority and ownership over the Sabbath day. I am not sure why you cannot see this but of course you are free to believe as you wish that is between you and God.
 
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Sorry I do not believe you. Please see post 579.
To say what is not is a sin. No where is the phrase the “ the lord’s day” attributed to any specific day. THAT IS A FACT. Stop please. If anything teach it as something you believe don’t teach it as an absolute. Because it can not be taught that way. Because the phrase “ the lord’s day” is not attributed to any specific day in the Bible.
 
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To say what is not is a sin. No where is the phrase the “ the lord’s day” attributed to any specific day. THAT IS A FACT. Stop please. If anything teach it as something you believe don’t teach it as an absolute. Because it can not be taught that way. Because the phrase “ the lord’s day” is not attributed to any specific day in the Bible.
Please read the whole post you are responding to before posting thanks. According to the scriptures we are not to judge others *Matthew 7:1-5; Romans 2:1-11. I have only provided scripture proving the application of Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" to other scriptures in God's Word that are God's Words not my words that the only day in the scriptures that Jesus claims both authority and ownership over in the Sabbath day. These are Gods' Words not mine. You of course are free to believe as you wish.
 
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Please read the post you are responding to before posting thanks.
step off your horse.
I don’t think you read the post you initially responded to but had not said so.
 
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step off your horse.
I don’t think you read the post you initially responded to but had not said so.
Sure I read and understood your post. Your trying to argue because the term "the Lords day" is not used anywhere else in the bible except Revelation 1:10 it cannot mean the Sabbath day. My responses from the scriptures show your not considering application of the meaning of "the Lords day" that means the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures the only day Jesus claims both authority and ownership over is the Sabbath day.
 
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Sure I read and understood your post. Your trying to argue because the term "the Lords day" is not used anywhere in in the bible except Revelation 1:10 it cannot mean the Sabbath day. My responses from the scriptures show your not considering application of "the Lords day" that show that the only day Jesus claims both authority and ownership over is the Sabbath day.
No you haven’t. There was more in that post than that.
 
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I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. How does this post address anything in post # 59 that you are responding to? - It doesn't.


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Do you understand the difference between the word "obsolete" and the word "abolish"?


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No you haven’t. There was more in that post than that.
I am sorry I do not agree with you. Your welcome to show if you believe I have missed anything that you have posted but I have also said much more that you have simply left out in your responses to me when I was showing application of Revelation 1:10 from the scriptures to the day Jesus claims both authority and ownership over and to questions that were asked of you that were directly linked to the scriptures showing that Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it in Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and also Jesus claiming ownership of the Sabbath day as His holy day of rest in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. You seemed to have not considered all the above simply making the argument that because the term "the lords day" is not used anywhere else in the bible it does not have application to any day. The scriptures provided above simply show that this is not true and neither is it biblical. While I agree with you that the term "the Lords day" is only used in Revelation 1:10. Application of what day Jesus claims to be Lord over and claims ownership over according to the scriptures is clearly the Sabbath day.
 
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Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Do you understand the difference between the word "obsolete" and the word "abolish"?


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True we are not in the old covenant now. Don't forget the scripture context that you left out from Hebrews 8:10-12. What is the new covenant? (Hebrews 8:10-12; Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) - Yep God's law written on the heart through love which is what I have been sharing with you from the start (please see post # 577 linked). Would you like to get back to the OP now? Do you have any scripture that shows that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday?
 
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You hit the nail on the head in there, somewhere...you said we have different interpretations. Exactly. We, Catholic, have the interpretations , or knowledge, of what Jesus meant by what he said. That is Tradition, what there was before any book. You said you have the Bible, the way you made it, a tradition of men, removing inconvenient doctrines. Well, explain why Jeremiah 7 describes the abominations Jews were committing, never mentioning the Sabbath?

Finally, you ask for proof that the Sabbath command was about rest, not worship, the command says so. And priests worshiped, offered sacrifice to God, every day.

While there are many interpretations of scripture, there is only one gospel and one Truth. Some scripture is easy to interpret like the Ten Commandments- made to understand easily by design.. Other scriptures require a lot more study and earnestly seeking the truth in scriptures. Once you are aware your interpretations are not correct, it’s our responsibility to follow the correct Word.

There are more commandments that just breaking God’s Sabbath. There are other references to the Jews breaking God’s Sabbath day so I’m not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

God said the Sabbath is the day to Remember and keep holy Exodus 20:8 and in doing that we rest from our work. Does it make sense to worship God on a day that God deemed holy, blessed and sanctified or a day God told us to do all our work and labor? Exodus 20:9. The Sabbath will continue to be God’s chosen day of worship for eternity according to scripture Isaiah 66:23

You mentioned you had proof which I notice you didn’t provide any in your post.
 
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Do you have any scripture that shows that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday?

Do you have any scripture which says it is Saturday?

Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.




Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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Do you have any scripture which says it is Saturday?

Absolutely, dear friend. Perhaps you missed them. As demonstrated from the scriptures already according to the bible Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" in the Greek word meanings of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means (1) the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and Jesus and God (3) claim ownership of the Sabbath day in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. All of the above scriptures are evidence that agree to the interpretation provided from the scriptures alone in Revelation 1:10 that the day the Lord claims ownership over is the Sabbath day. Are you trying to say that Jesus does not claim to be Lord of the Sabbath day when he says in Matthew 12:8 that he is Lord of the Sabbath day claiming authority over the Sabbath and that He does now claim ownership of the Sabbath day when he calls it My holy day which is the meaning of the original Greek of Revelation 1:10 τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" or the Lords ownership of the day?
Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Nope. None of those scriptures say Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 now do they? Where is the scriptures that Jesus claims authority over the first day of the week? There is none. Where is the scripture where Jesus claims ownership over the first day of the week or Sunday? There is none. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none. Of course we know that the disciples met every day of the week breaking bread that does not make every day of the week a holy day or "the Lords day" now does it? Acts of the Apostles 2:47-48 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:

Ignatius of Antioch
(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).
(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr
(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)
(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know wy it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).
(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).
(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian
(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).
(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).
(Apology Chapter XVI.).
Well none of this addresses anything in the OP. Please re-read the OP and stop spamming the same post over and over. As posted in the OP and shared with you already throughout this thread, the challenge of the OP if you disagree with the scriptures provided that prove that "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is the Sabbath day, is to please provide scripture from God's Word showing that "the Lords day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to Sunday or the first day of the week. We know what the man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early church were in regards to their claims that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week from written sources outside of the scriptures which you have provided here and elsewhere already in this thread. The purpose of this OP is to examine if these outside sources and claims written by men outside of Gods Word is biblical or not and supported by the scriptures. So once again, do you have any scripture that supports the man-made teachings and traditions of the early Church that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? Look forward to your response. Let's be honest here dear friend. If you have no scripture that supports this man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early church, just say so and lets move on with the discussion.

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According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and Jesus and God (3) claim ownership of the Sabbath day in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. All of the above scriptures are evidence that agree to the interpretation provided from the scriptures alone in Revelation 1:10 that the day the Lord claims ownership over is the Sabbath day.



Because He is the ultimate High Priest, He worked on the Sabbath day and commanded a healed man to work on the Sabbath day, because He is the Lord of the Sabbath day.


The Healing at the Pool on the Sabbath

Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"
Joh 5:7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
Joh 5:8 Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk."
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed."
Joh 5:11 He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.' "
Joh 5:12 Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?"
Joh 5:13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."
Joh 5:15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Joh 5:16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."


Would you have been one of those that accused Christ of breaking the Sabbath, like you accuse New Covenant believers of breaking the Sabbath?


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


Even though the early Church gathered together on the first day of the week in the scripture above, many from the SDA claim worshipping on Sunday is the mark of the beast. They also completely ignore the writings of the Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea.



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Because He is the ultimate High Priest, He worked on the Sabbath day and commanded a healed man to work on the Sabbath day, because He is the Lord of the Sabbath day.


The Healing at the Pool on the Sabbath

Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"
Joh 5:7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
Joh 5:8 Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk."
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed."
Joh 5:11 He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.' "
Joh 5:12 Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?"
Joh 5:13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."
Joh 5:15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Joh 5:16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."


Would you have been one of those that accused Christ of breaking the Sabbath, like you accuse New Covenant believers of breaking the Sabbath?


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


Even though the early Church gathered together on the first day of the week in the scripture above, many from the SDA claim worshipping on Sunday is the mark of the beast. They also completely ignore the writings of the Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea.



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Ok so how does this post address anything in the the post you are quoting from? - It doesn't.

We are indeed in the new covenant now and not in the old covenant but don't forget the scripture context that continue to leave out from Hebrews 8:10-12. What is the new covenant? (Hebrews 8:10-12; Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) - Yep the new covenant is God's law written on the heart through through faith that works by love, which is what I have been sharing with you from the start (please see post # 577 linked).

Jesus doing God's work on the Sabbath is doing good on the Sabbath which is not breaking the Sabbath according to Matthew 12:1-12; Exodus 20:8-11. Do you know what type of work is lawful and not lawful on the Sabbath? As to the rest of your random post here, none of the scriptures you have provided say Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 now do they?

Where is the scriptures that Jesus claims authority over the first day of the week? There is none. Where is the scripture where Jesus claims ownership over the first day of the week or Sunday? There is none. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none.

Of course we know that the disciples met every day of the week breaking bread that does not make every day of the week a holy day or "the Lords day" now does it? Acts of the Apostles 2:47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Would you like to get back to the OP now? Do you have any scripture that shows that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday?

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Here is the thing. There are no verses that prove Sunday is the Lord's Day and one can not prove that the Lord's Day mentioned in Revelation1:10 is the Sabbath conclusively. I see and hear what you have posted my friend and believe it and have shared it in the past. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath and God calling the Sabbath His, is proof enough for me. But sadly there are no verses that DIRECTLY say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath.
So chances of this thread staying on topic is nil. Since they have no argument based on Scripture. And the one we would present is not conclusive because it does not directly say that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath. So at best all we can hope and pray for is the thread remains open and some come to the knowledge of the truth regardless.

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Absolutely, dear friend. Perhaps you missed them. As demonstrated from the scriptures already according to the bible Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" in the Greek word meanings of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means (1) the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8;
Please Re-read the post above before responding to this post.


First; was Jesus was referring to Himself as Lord of the Sabbath? This can not even be proven without a doubt to the honest discerner. Quite simply, verse 28 is being said in context to verse 25 which is about David and the men with him. And if the Sabbath was made for man (Adam or mankind), the son of man (us) is Lord of the Sabbath. In other words the Sabbath was made for man so man is Lord of the Sabbath. But God forbid if we take a text and keep it within the context of the passage.


Mark 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mark 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
 
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Please Re-read the post above before responding to this post.


First; was Jesus was referring to Himself as Lord of the Sabbath? This can not even be proven without a doubt to the honest discerner. Quite simply, verse 28 is being said in context to verse 25 which is about David and the men with him. And if the Sabbath was made for man (Adam or mankind), the son of man (us) is Lord of the Sabbath. In other words the Sabbath was made for man so man is Lord of the Sabbath. But God forbid if we take a text and keep it within the context of the passage.


Mark 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mark 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.


Actually Him, Jesus was using the story of David as an example when he was hungry and was given shewbread on the Sabbath and Jesus was saying it was not a sin and was being practical, just as the disciples was eating grain on the Sabbath and Jesus was saying its not a sin.

Jesus than goes on to say the Sabbath was made for man (mankind) and Jesus is referred to as the Son of man, not us. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath as the Sabbath is the Lord's holy day Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 20:10 Jesus has authority over the Sabbath (not man) and Jesus is telling the Pharisee who was making man-made rules regarding God's Sabbath day and He was teaching them how to observe the Sabbath and what was okay, like doing good and eating is permitted on Sabbath.

Here are some examples of Jesus being referred to as the Son of Man


"Jesus replied, 'Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.'" – Matthew 8:20

"If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." – Mark 8:38

"'But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.' So he said to the paralyzed man, 'I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.'" – Luke 5:24

"Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, 'Do you believe in the Son of Man?' 'Who is he, sir?' the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.'" – John 9:35-37
 
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Please Re-read the post above before responding to this post.

First; was Jesus was referring to Himself as Lord of the Sabbath? This can not even be proven without a doubt to the honest discerner. Quite simply, verse 28 is being said in context to verse 25 which is about David and the men with him. And if the Sabbath was made for man (Adam or mankind), the son of man (us) is Lord of the Sabbath. In other words the Sabbath was made for man so man is Lord of the Sabbath. But God forbid if we take a text and keep it within the context of the passage.


Mark 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mark 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

I am sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree. As posted earlier, I read your first post correctly the first time so nothing has changed in my responses to you. Please see @SabbathBlessings post above (post # 596 linked) in response to your last post and also the scriptures provided in post # 588 linked (and elsewhere) already that show that Jesus claims that he is the Lord of the Sabbath day claiming both ownership and authority over the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it, calling it His holy day/My holy day/My Sabbaths/Sabbath of the Lord they God etc. The Sabbath is the only day in the scriptures that Jesus claims both ownership over and authority over. This is the day that the Lord has made for all mankind where He blessed it and made it a holy day of rest because in six days he created the heavens and the earth and rested on the seventh day *Genesis 2:1-3. All the above of course agrees with the Greek meaning of "the Lords day" or the day that the Lord claims ownership over in Revelation 1:10.

Take Care
 
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I am sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree. As posted earlier, I read your first post correctly the first time so nothing has changed in my responses to you. Please see @SabbathBlessings post above (post # 597 linked) in response to your last post and also the scriptures provided in post # 588 linked (and elsewhere) already that show that Jesus claims that he is the Lord of the Sabbath day claiming both ownership and authority over the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it, calling it His holy day/My holy day/My Sabbaths/Sabbath of the Lord they God etc. The Sabbath is the only day in the scriptures that Jesus claims both ownership over and authority over. This is the day that the Lord has made for all mankind where He blessed it and made it a holy day of rest because in six days he created the heavens and the earth and rested on the seventh day *Genesis 2:1-3. All the above of course agrees with the Greek meaning of "the Lords day" or the day that the Lord claims ownership over in Revelation 1:10.

Take Care


How do explain the fact that the children of Israel never kept the Sabbath day, or talked about keeping the Sabbath day, until after they left Egypt?


Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.


Exo_31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


Is it because it is the "sign" of the Sinai Covenant?

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Ok so how does this post address anything in the the post you are quoting from? - It doesn't.

We are indeed in the new covenant now and not in the old covenant but don't forget the scripture context that continue to leave out from Hebrews 8:10-12. What is the new covenant? (Hebrews 8:10-12; Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) - Yep the new covenant is God's law written on the heart through through faith that works by love, which is what I have been sharing with you from the start (please see post # 577 linked).

Are you saying it is OK for New Covenant believers to work on the Sabbath day like the man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, and like Christ did at the pool of Siloam?


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I am sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree. As posted earlier, I read your first post correctly the first time so nothing has changed in my responses to you. Please see @SabbathBlessings post above (post # 597 linked)


Take Care
No thanks. She could have did better.
 
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