Biden caves to Taliban orders

hislegacy · Aug 27, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
That's the face of a man who actually understands and appreciates the gravity of what's happening.

No, that is the face of a man who was just confronted with the truth. He failed and it cost 13 soldiers their lives. The Weeping grandpa look is never seen as strength.

TLK Valentine · Aug 27, 2021

hislegacy said:
No, that is the face of a man who was just confronted with the truth. He failed and it cost 13 soldiers their lives. The Weeping grandpa look is never seen as strength.

Some people prefer to grieve when hearing about 13 deaths -- only the truly weak worry about always looking strong.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Aug 27, 2021

Lifelong_sinner said:
What i find interesting is, the same people who say we never should have nuked japan, are the same ones who are saying we should get out of afghanistan. The reality is, most people dont understand how to win wars.

Since people on this forum wasn't born. I have no idea. Who you're talking about. Also we were supposed to get the ones responsible for 911. So we did. I'm not sure why we didn't get out sooner.

Hammster · Aug 27, 2021

DaisyDay said:
Lols, yeah history began in 2020 without anything leading up to the present moment. The current deal did not begin with the current president, so if you want to complain about making deals with the Taliban, you have to include the deal maker, imo.

Not if Biden reversed just about everything Trump did. So Biden is the president and he has to own this. If you think Trump is responsible, start another thread.

Kentonio · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Not if Biden reversed just about everything Trump did. So Biden is the president and he has to own this. If you think Trump is responsible, start another thread.

What specifically about Trumps agreement with the Taliban did Biden reverse?

Hammster · Aug 28, 2021

Kentonio said:
What specifically about Trumps agreement with the Taliban did Biden reverse?

It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if he reversed it or went along with it. The bottom line is that he is the current president, and the Afghanistan withdrawal is in shambles. If he thought Trump’s plan was good, then it’s on Biden. If he thought Trump’s plan was bad, and did something different, it’s on Biden. This cannot be blamed on Trump. Biden owns this.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
No, that is the face of a man who was just confronted with the truth. He failed and it cost 13 soldiers their lives. The Weeping grandpa look is never seen as strength.

Sure, if you’re a troglodyte and your notion of “strength” is some toxic masculinity tough guy nonsense.

Vylo · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if he reversed it or went along with it. The bottom line is that he is the current president, and the Afghanistan withdrawal is in shambles. If he thought Trump’s plan was good, then it’s on Biden. If he thought Trump’s plan was bad, and did something different, it’s on Biden. This cannot be blamed on Trump. Biden owns this.

I mean, you can blame them both. both had a hand in this. you can also lay a lot at the feet of W and Obama.

all 4 of these men had some ability to change the situation, but did not.

Hammster · Aug 28, 2021

Vylo said:
I mean, you can blame them both. both had a hand in this. you can also lay a lot at the feet of W and Obama.

all 4 of these men had some ability to change the situation, but did not.

But who is in charge right now?

Bradskii · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Biden owns this.

He seems to me to be the type of guy that would agree with you. The type of guy that would take responsibility for whatever goes down. A man who would lie awake worrying about the cost of his decisions. Who would own them. As opposed to:

“The buck stops with everybody,” President Trump told reporters on the White House lawn on day 20 of the government shutdown crisis. https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ff1644-1522-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

Hammster · Aug 28, 2021

Bradskii said:
He seems to me to be the type of guy that would agree with you. The type of guy that would take responsibility for whatever goes down. A man who would lie awake worrying about the cost of his decisions. Who would own them. As opposed to:

“The buck stops with everybody,” President Trump told reporters on the White House lawn on day 20 of the government shutdown crisis. https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ff1644-1522-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

Still not about Trump. And I’ll believe that Biden owns this when he accepts responsibility for screwing this up. And when his supporters admit that he screwed this up.

Estrid · Aug 28, 2021

[QUOTE="TLK Valentine, post: 76197137, member: 306134" -- only the truly weak worry about always looking strong.[/QUOTE]
And how do you know that?

I doubt that Genghis Kahn indulged in tears before an
audience.

Biden btw play acting "tough" while reading lines- seriously?

TLK Valentine · Aug 28, 2021

Estrid said:
And how do you know that?

And how do you not?

I doubt that Genghis Kahn indulged in tears before an
audience.

You should have voted for Genghis Kahn

driewerf · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Yes, that president is off topic.

Hammster said:
Still not about Trump. And I’ll believe that Biden owns this when he accepts responsibility for screwing this up. And when his supporters admit that he screwed this up.

@Hammster, something to think about: Do you think that a new administration should follow treaties, agreements etc signed by a previous administration, or should every president be free to ignore previous signatures?
If your anwer is "no". Who should be blamed for bad a treaty -- the signing administration or the sitting administration? Please try to think about an be consistent both with treaties you do and do not agree with (NATO, NAFTA, Paris agreement, nuclear Iran deal etc)?

TLK Valentine · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Still not about Trump. And I’ll believe that Biden owns this when he accepts responsibility for screwing this up. And when his supporters admit that he screwed this up.

Biden has already said that the buck stops with him. And I, for one, will free admit that the withdrawal was screwed up.

Now, where do we go from here?

eleos1954 · Aug 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
Who is speaking about rebuilding a nation???

The topic of the thread is about getting our citizens out. And the President’s capitulation to the demands of terrorist like the Taliban.

This is not the face of resolve, nor strength.

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I was referring to the reason we were in Afghanistan in the first place ... it's a no-win scenario ... their driving force (their motivation) is a religious one and their mind set will never change.

Hammster · Aug 28, 2021

driewerf said:
@Hammster, something to think about: Do you think that a new administration should follow treaties, agreements etc signed by a previous administration, or should every president be free to ignore previous signatures?
If your anwer is "no". Who should be blamed for bad a treaty -- the signing administration or the sitting administration? Please try to think about an be consistent both with treaties you do and do not agree with (NATO, NAFTA, Paris agreement, nuclear Iran deal etc)?

I think each administration is responsible for things that they can control. If they agree with a previous administration, then they own whatever results, good or bad, and the previous administration cannot be blamed or given props. The same goes with if they disagree.

Hammster · Aug 28, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Biden has already said that the buck stops with him. And I, for one, will free admit that the withdrawal was screwed up.

Now, where do we go from here?

When did he take full responsibility for his poor decisions?

Estrid · Aug 28, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
And how do you not?

You should have voted for Genghis Kahn

Nepotism. We're related.

driewerf · Aug 28, 2021

Hammster said:
I think each administration is responsible for things that they can control. If they agree with a previous administration, then they own whatever results, good or bad, and the previous administration cannot be blamed or given props. The same goes with if they disagree.

That's not exactly what I asked. Should a president respect and act according to treaties etc signed by a previous administration, even if they disagree with it?

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