has God abandoned the human race?

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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?
 

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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?
God has not abandoned man, humanity has abandoned God. There have always been disasters. The plague killed half of Europe. Spanish Flu killed way more people than WW1.

We need to keep things in perspective. There never were any good old days. Life for most people is far better now than ever before. Yet they still reject God and His ways. I suspect that much worse is to come. Christians need to be prepared.

God's judgement is simple. He leaves us to our own ways. So we have an autistic child bullying grown men (Ms Thunberg of course), children defying all science and choosing their own gender, homosexuality is paraded publicly and who dares to speak God's word against them? Education has fallen under the control of atheist Marxism and the greatest military power slinks away from Afghanistan, leaving chaos behind.

Free speech? Only if you are a leftist, woke progressive. How long before the "U" in USA goes the same way as the "Great" in Britain? The British (of whom I am one) forsook God at the start of the 20th century. They proceeded to lose their empire over the next 50 years or so. America is destined for a similar fate for the same reason. They will lose influence with other nations and lose the confidence of their allies. Countries that supported the US in Afghanistan must be wondering why they bothered.

God raises up and humbles the nations. No president of any political persuasion, colour or gender can "MAGA". I'd be voting for whoever campaigns on 2 Chronicles 7:14.
 
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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?
wars and a thousand other ways of death and the world’s net population growth is about a quarter million new babies each day, a head scratch.
 
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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?
We're in the end-times yes but God will never abandon His church so long as His sheep are alive and breathing on Earth and in Heaven
 
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"Has God abandoned the human race"?
No, man is still in rebellion and is becoming more wicked in the ability to sin. Read Romans, chapter 1:18-32, for this chapter depicts the present generation very well. God's plan is progressing as prophesied by His Prophets, Apostles and Jesus Himself.
 
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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?
Do not let these things trick your attention into abandoning God . . . and forgiveness.
 
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the man losing his 7 mos old twins in flood is so sad!

how can these things happen?
Well, I can tend to be first ready to judge; so it can be actually easy for me to say, "Maybe the man was not living for God," or things like this. Well, that might be true, actually, and there are scriptures which clearly say you can bring horrible things on your own self by playing games about obeying God. It is not God's fault or negligence, but the fact of how people live in Satan's kingdom where much worse things are sure to happen.

Unforgiveness can maintain a person in Satan's kingdom, so the person is a magnet for things to be unforgiving about . . . because the person committed oneself to be ready to be unforgiving, and so the person is receiving awful things in honor of his or her commitment.

But . . . like I say > I can be too ready to welcome such explanations, and judge people and defend and try to protect God's reputation. And this is wrong, too.

The most positive explanation I have, now, is that God is in control and He is moving according to His number-one purpose. I now consider that this is to have many children who are conformed to the image of His Son Jesus > Romans 8:29.

And people who die can move on to this. Dying can not stop a person from going on to be completely like Jesus . . . if this is what the person has given his or her life to. And leaving this life, for such a person, is a great thing, then, if the person was ready to die well.

So, make sure you are submissive to how our Father changes us to be and love like Jesus, and be ready to die well. And do not fear death > Hebrews 2:14-15 shows how "fear of death" is slavery to Satan, and Jesus Himself through dying on the cross has defeated Satan and will destroy the devil.

But now I think of something > there are people who can question God and in a way they are holding things against Him; and so in a way they are not forgiving God who has done nothing wrong. And what this could mean is they have been weak in their readiness to forgive humans, so that now they also can hold things against God.

So, beware of this . . . in case I am right. Make sure your forgiving is up-to-date . . . and following the example of Jesus on the cross > on the cross, right while those evil and horrible people were still busy with hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son, what did Jesus do?

Jesus prayed > "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

But ones live in unforgiveness which is in Satan's kingdom; and so unforgiveness can make them a magnet for things in Satan's kingdom to come against them - - so they have things to be unforgiving about and things they blame on God . . . when they could have submitted to God and obeyed how He would take care of them.

Even practically, in my opinion, a lot of disasters can be prevented, humanly. For just one example, if you have a trailer home in an area prone to tornados, you can dig a little hole under the trailer and drop in there when you hear a tornado coming; yet, it seems many people lose their lives in trailer homes, each year, because of being in their trailers when a tornado comes . . . even in the daytime when they could be awake and hear a tornado stopping by to drop in . . . and they can drop in.

And people know where floods come and could come. But they stay there.

Another thing > I noticed how in Haiti people died in their houses during that earthquake. Haiti is said to be very poor, but those houses are nice buildings, but made of stone, it seemed, in a number of cases. So, if an earthquake comes and cracks up that stone and heavy timber, it can fall on the people inside and kill and cripple people. I understand they might want stone houses so hurricanes can't blow them away; I get that. But.

Another item > ones had only a tarp to cover them, and they say the strong wind blew their tarp away. Well, as far as I know, if a hurricane is coming, you don't keep your tarp up where wind can flap and tear it away. You all get together with your backs toward the wind, with some of the tarp under you to anchor it, and you cuddle together :groupray:, and pull the loose tarp over you and then tuck it in in front under you, and wait out the wind, your bodies anchoring the tarp so you don't lose it.

God can give a person wisdom.

But ones do not submit to how our Father is able to care for us.

But do not just judge people; pray for them and do what we can to help people. But submit to God, so He is guiding us to do what He knows will work. Because there are people who are pushing their ways, while congratulating themselves about how much they are doing, or should I say they are trying to do? . . . while wasting themselves in frustration and burn-out and blaming others for not helping them.

And loving is first . . . personal caring and sharing so people can get love and your good example.

"Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)

In God's love you will have the creativity to do what really will help. And in case anything or anyone messes with you . . . look at how Joseph used his horrible situation for God's all-loving purpose . . . not only for himself to get rescued or blessed > Genesis 37-50.
 
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Well, I can tend to be first ready to judge; so it can be actually easy for me to say, "Maybe the man was not living for God," or things like this.
And leaving this life, for such a person, is a great thing, then, if the person was ready to die well.


the man had a wife & multiple children
he brought this on himself?

7 mos old twins ready to die well? they haven't had a chance to live

not only losing the twins, they lost their house, also

I just don't understand how God could let this happen


"The mother grabbed a tree and the father had the two twins, the 5-year-old and 19-month-old and sadly the two baby's left his arms," writes Charity Hooks on the GoFundMe page created for the family. "This money could help them with a lot," she said, adding that the twins' parents, Danielle and Matt, lost their house in the flood."
 
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God has not abandoned man, humanity has abandoned God. There have always been disasters. The plague killed half of Europe. Spanish Flu killed way more people than WW1.

We need to keep things in perspective. There never were any good old days. Life for most people is far better now than ever before. Yet they still reject God and His ways. I suspect that much worse is to come. Christians need to be prepared.

God's judgement is simple. He leaves us to our own ways. So we have an autistic child bullying grown men (Ms Thunberg of course), children defying all science and choosing their own gender, homosexuality is paraded publicly and who dares to speak God's word against them? Education has fallen under the control of atheist Marxism and the greatest military power slinks away from Afghanistan, leaving chaos behind.

Free speech? Only if you are a leftist, woke progressive. How long before the "U" in USA goes the same way as the "Great" in Britain? The British (of whom I am one) forsook God at the start of the 20th century. They proceeded to lose their empire over the next 50 years or so. America is destined for a similar fate for the same reason. They will lose influence with other nations and lose the confidence of their allies. Countries that supported the US in Afghanistan must be wondering why they bothered.

God raises up and humbles the nations. No president of any political persuasion, colour or gender can "MAGA". I'd be voting for whoever campaigns on 2 Chronicles 7:14.


Well said and if you take the laws of blessing and cursing in Duet 28 and Lev 26 you can see a global report card that is really the stage right before total destruction. This idea of is it getting worst is a key as you can look forward and see the momentum and direction of events. This is where I will leave it as in my opinion this thread could be moved to the eschatology section.
 
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Well said and if you take the laws of blessing and cursing in Duet 28 and Lev 26 you can see a global report card that is really the stage right before total destruction. This idea of is it getting worst is a key as you can look forward and see the momentum and direction of events. This is where I will leave it as in my opinion this thread could be moved to the eschatology section.
The blessing and cursing applied to God's covenant people, not to the world as a whole. Romans 1 tells it like it is. God leaves humanity to its own ways. If the church fails to intercede, then it gets worse because God answers the prayers of His people. Many times we do not have because we do not ask.
 
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We expect God to be there for us on our terms, instantly, doing what we want and in agreement with our politics, world view and theology. We have lost (if we ever had) the ability to just listen patiently and wait.
 
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Many disagree with Deut. 28 being a legitimate example for today's Nations. Reading the blessings part of that chapter, clearly defines the blessings the U.S. has had for decades. What God does for one country, He can readily do the same for another. Without the abundant blessings bestowed on America, the ability to have the Gospel preached to the ends of the earth would have been much more difficult. It is from America that thousands of missionaries, spanning many decades, went out to all parts of the world bringing the good news of Jesus Christ to foreign lands, of large and small geographical areas and hard to reach locals. It was through the financial support of generous Christian Americans that enabled the willing missionaries to carry this out. Without the generous blessings from God above this would not have happened.

Edit: As well as establishing overseas churches which were supported by Americans.
 
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The blessing and cursing applied to God's covenant people, not to the world as a whole. Romans 1 tells it like it is. God leaves humanity to its own ways. If the church fails to intercede, then it gets worse because God answers the prayers of His people. Many times we do not have because we do not ask.

Or, probably more often, ".... ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures."

The only appropriate thing to ask for is the ability and resources to continue to serve in carrying out the Great Commission.
 
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floods, fires, hurricanes, recorded high temps, covid...

man loses 7 mos old twins in flood, parents losing children to virus, teens losing both parents to covid, condo collapses, people losing everything in fires, people losing jobs & homes

is everything getting worse?


Matt 24
3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will mislead many people. 6 And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. 12 And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—let the reader understand— 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. 18 And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 Moreover, pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
 
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the man had a wife & multiple children
he brought this on himself?

7 mos old twins ready to die well? they haven't had a chance to live

not only losing the twins, they lost their house, also

I just don't understand how God could let this happen

Many innocent Christians slain in Muslim and Atheist (and Buddhist) countries - many people die in floods and fires and various weather events, ... the earth is nearing the time of the coming of Christ - His appearing in the sky.
 
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