But, by doing that, you're making it as if Jesus didn't answer the question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed. Do you think that's reasonable? I certainly don't. If He didn't answer that question in Matthew 24:15-22, then where did He answer that question?
He answered it, but that the answer is not recorded in Matthew 24 nor Mark 13, but is recorded in Luke 21. Both Matthew 24 nor Mark 13 make mention of an AOD. What AOD could there have possibly been that involved 70 AD? According to these two accounts, once one sees the AOD mentioned by Daniel the prophet, one is to at that time, as if a volcano was erupting and that you were in it's path, you are to leave right then, no time to try and pack belongings first.
What then did they see involving an AOD in 70 AD that they then left not caring what they might be leaving behind? Some have suggested it was the Roman armies they saw, but in what way would Roman armies have been an abomination? Others have suggested it was the continuing of animal sacrifices being the abomination. That makes even less sense since they would have been seeing this going on for almost 40 years straight, and that they are to head to the mountains once they see the AOD, yet no one was heading to the mountains over the course of 40 years every time they noticed animal sacrificing was still continuing.
I believe Jesus was referring to Daniel 9:26-27 (not Daniel 12:1-2) in particular because what He was talking about was in relation to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings and Daniel 9:26 refers to the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.
Daniel 9:26 might be meaning that event though I'm not entirely convinced it is. I can somewhat see the logic in it. Even some that think there is a gap in the 70 weeks also conclude 70 AD is meant in Daniel 9:26. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I've never fully made up my mind either way.
Also, I don't see where you addressed my point that Matthew 24:15-22 has to do with God's wrath against unbelievers rather than tribulation for believers as you tried to claim.
Maybe you haven't considered it, but God's wrath involves the last 7 vials for one and that nowhere in those verses does it give the impression that any of the last 7 vials of wrath are being poured out at the time. Nor does it give the impression that any wrath pertaining to God unleashing it on unbelievers is taking place at the time. If I'm wrong then point out any verse or verses within those set of verses that support what you are proposing, and that it is obvious they are supporting what you are proposing?
Here's something else you need to consider, that being the following timeline of events.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The 6th seal is meaning Matthew 24:29 for one. Before the 6th seal events the 5th seal events have to take place first. Look what verse 10 says---How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?---now look what verse 11 says-----that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.---now look what verse 17 says---For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
According to Matthew 24:29, the 6th seal is immediately after the trib of those days recorded in Matthew 24:15-22. and according to Revelation 6, the wrath of God is during the 6th seal, or maybe just after it, but certainly not prior to it. Therefore, nothing in Matthew 24:15-22 could possibly be involving the wrath of God. The GT is against His saints and is meaning the 42 month reign of the beast. Do you not think that being made war against does not equal tribulation?
In Matthew 24:15-22 are you in agreement with Pretribbers and dispys that what is meant by His elect in those verses is not meaning the church but is meaning unbelieving Jews instead? I'm just asking since I don't know until you tell me otherwise. So try not to get all bent out of shape because I'm asking you this. I'm asking not making a statement instead. Maybe in past discussions with you you already told me who you take the elect to be meaning. And if so, it has apparently slipped my mind as to what you may have told me, since I don't recall offhand.
As to my point about the elect, assuming you too agree the church is meant rather than than agreeing with Pretribbers unbelieving Jews are meant instead, in what way would any of the following even remotely have had any relevance involving 70 AD?
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Let me guess, in your opinion none of this is even involving the same time period verses 15-22 are? Assuming I guessed right, why not since it seems perfectly reasonable that things like this might be taking place during a time involving an AOD? BTW, and the fact your are Amil, you would think you should already know this and maybe you do, not everything recorded in the Discourse has to be understood in the literal sense. Which might mean that the AOD involves 2 Thessalonians 2:4 for one and is what leads to the mass falling away.
