Theosis: everything

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Why do people think that human can become equal to God the father, while bible say God is one? Not everyone is worthy to become God the father. This is why he only is worthy and he is one. Not everyone is worthy to become God the son, this is why he alone is God the son and nobody else. Even for a human to cost unlimited years to become so, he will not become so, because he is not worthy to become so. Who is worthy had became so, and this is the Holy Trinity, who alone is worthy. The church have canonized the saints which we are able to pray to, so we will know who to pray to. But they are called saints, not part of Holy Trinity. Because if anybody is able to become God he will be part of the Holy Trinity who are only three persons and no one else can be part of them, which means to become like them.
 

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Why do people think that human can become equal to God the father, while bible say God is one? Not everyone is worthy to become God the father. This is why he only is worthy and he is one. Not everyone is worthy to become God the son, this is why he alone is God the son and nobody else. Even for a human to cost unlimited years to become so, he will not become so, because he is not worthy to become so. Who is worthy had became so, and this is the Holy Trinity, who alone is worthy. The church have canonized the saints which we are able to pray to, so we will know who to pray to. But they are called saints, not part of Holy Trinity. Because if anybody is able to become God he will be part of the Holy Trinity who are only three persons and no one else can be part of them, which means to become like them.

To become like God is not the same as becoming God. Theosis is becoming like God.
 
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Why do people think that human can become equal to God the father, while bible say God is one? Not everyone is worthy to become God the father. This is why he only is worthy and he is one. Not everyone is worthy to become God the son, this is why he alone is God the son and nobody else. Even for a human to cost unlimited years to become so, he will not become so, because he is not worthy to become so. Who is worthy had became so, and this is the Holy Trinity, who alone is worthy. The church have canonized the saints which we are able to pray to, so we will know who to pray to. But they are called saints, not part of Holy Trinity. Because if anybody is able to become God he will be part of the Holy Trinity who are only three persons and no one else can be part of them, which means to become like them.
It’s just sanctification. Prots get it wrong but the word is trying to convey the same idea (mostly). It’s a bit more complicated than that but that’s the tl;dr
 
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Why do people think that human can become equal to God the father, while bible say God is one? Not everyone is worthy to become God the father. This is why he only is worthy and he is one. Not everyone is worthy to become God the son, this is why he alone is God the son and nobody else. Even for a human to cost unlimited years to become so, he will not become so, because he is not worthy to become so. Who is worthy had became so, and this is the Holy Trinity, who alone is worthy. The church have canonized the saints which we are able to pray to, so we will know who to pray to. But they are called saints, not part of Holy Trinity. Because if anybody is able to become God he will be part of the Holy Trinity who are only three persons and no one else can be part of them, which means to become like them.

sorry, but what?
 
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I am very troubled by this because I have NEVER been able to wrap my mind around the entirety of the concept! And I have even more difficulty trying to explain. "Neither are all things unutterable nor all utterable; neither all unknowable nor all knowable".

But I DO KNOW that Theosis is real, not some metaphor or figure of speech. It's not a hyperbole for "being pure" or moral or living a good life. I wouldn't dare believe that Church Fathers and the Gospel use "hyperboles". It means exactly what it means.

And, no, we probably cannot comprehend it fully because "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him".

On the one hand, we are created in the likeness of God and are called to become like God and be with God.

On the other hand, God is uncircumscribed. Since we humans are circumscribed we, by default, cannot be God. Since we are created, we cannot "become uncreated". But by the work of God's uncreated energies - with whom we are called to "collaborate" - we are made able to partake in and of His nature. Partake, borrow, true, but fully and in a real, literal sense. That is as best as I can think from my puny mind.

I think this was something I really enjoyed reading, but I forgot a lot of it: http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis-english.pdf

By the way, in the original post, there is something else that caught my eye: God does not become, He did not become what He is and He will not become something else: He is "without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting, uncreated, unchangeable, invariable" (St. John Damascene). I'm having some trouble even with God being "worthy" of Who He is. He simply is. He is incomprehensible, therefore comprehensible concepts, such as "worthiness" do not really apply. And if this implies Him having "earned" His status, that is not possible with God "with whom can be no variation nor shadow of turning".
 
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"Be ye holy, as I am holy". Gotta explain that quote.

"Do you not know that you are gods, sons of the Most High?" Jesus of Nazareth
 
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