Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

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Here is more testimony again, on the topic, is it possible to stop all sins ?

When I see the opinions of the likes of the Pharisees, it reminds me inside, how the Pharisees were.

John 9, is the Pharisees disputing again, this time with one of Jesus's examples, of the man born blind, being healed by God.

The Pharisees ( who are offended by all things of the Lords wonderful works) speak to the man, that he was born in sins, and therefore had no ability to teach them.

Jesus did give answer for us about this, how the man believes in the Son of God, as he did SEE HIM, because this man was granted eyes to see with by Christ..


John 9:34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.




Then we understand why they dispute, and find answers and excuses why they cant, and don't HEAR.

If you remind them that a rich man is hardly saved, they say this was just to this rich man of Israel;. But that would make the disciples reaction as vain as their words, as the question was, WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED???????


Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.





Here is the answer I am trying to introduce, that if you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes..



Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.





That leads up to the first answer of the question, is it possible to stop all sins ?


The answer from the world, is it is not possible.


That is because they do not base the truth on others, such as the examples of the Lords Holy Apostles, they base the answers on themselves, and their impossibility to do all that is right. To achieve that target, they speak evil of the Lords good Apostles, naming them sinning hypocrites, and condemned in their opinion. But that not only backfires on them, it is predicted that evil men in the end of the world do exactly that, to speak evil of dignities, because it is they who are the truce breakers, and also the devil at the end flatters those who break the covenant...

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,





My second purpose for this, is that their own doctrine is that they are weak, and in weakness. They are, as proven, the trucebreaking, covenant corrupters, as predicted and fulfilled in them. Proof is what is told, at the end o this world ( now) the people that do know their God are STRONG.



So to those simple people, fools who cant resist the Spirit of Gods wisdom, all the ways of the Lord are plain, to those who have understanding, and he ones who find this, find life, by following after righteousness and mercy to find life, and not as the sinner, who wrongs only his own soul..



Proverbs 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

Proverbs 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 21:21 He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.




Carrying on from that, how all the ways of the Lord are plain, nobody knows the Father but who the Son reveals Him to, which is the know the Son too, and the ones who say they are weak and all is too heavy, the recommendation is given, to learn of the Son ( if you can believe all is possible) for His ways are easy ( plain) and all is LIGHT ( not too heavy and we too weak)

Being the children of God who love, keeping easily what is right, not grievous, that is the Pharisees who said they refuse to hear and be taught the right things and ways of God, who do not have it in their doctrine to overcome the world they say they are overcome by..


Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.




The knowledge of Christ gives strength,



Proverbs 24:5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.
6 For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.
10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.




Israel is strong in the Lord, as the Lord is our strong hold..



Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Nahum 1:7 The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.





We are either strong or weak, when strong you can help others, to fulfil the law of Christ ( the weak then fulfil nothing of Christ)


Romans 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.




Standing fast in the faith is to be strong ( weak is fallen faithless)

But our weapons are to the pulling down of strongholds, and yet the hypocrites say that you advise to be without the full armour of God?


1 Corinthians 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)




The weakness of illnesses makes us strong, then the power of Christ rests on us. We are strong in the Lord, in the POWER OF HIS MIGHT. Strong in the grace that is in Jesus Christ, and the young men overcome the wicked one (overcome this world as Jesus overcame) because the word of God abides in them BECAUSE THEY ARE STRONG..


2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

2 Timothy 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
 
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Okay, so the "Prophet" is perfect, without sin. He has already been glorified, and is in his glorified body. He is the image of the invisible God. And because he is perfect and like Christ in every way, the words he speaks are the very words of God. If his words are not the Word of God, then he is not as perfect as God. But if he is as perfect of God, he cannot speak words that are not God's Word. We should heed his words as scripture, and listen to them, because the "Prophet" is perfect light. He came to this forum to show all the way. All the churches are wrong. Only he knows the true way, as the Prophet of the last days, and now we must listen to him and trust his "interpretation" of the Bible, because he is perfect light.

I will let you be the judge of that. I have demonstrated my arguments sufficiently, so I am unwatching the thread. God bless you all.

As for me, let it be known that I am a total wretch of a man. I need the perfect righteousness of Christ, because without Him, I am nothing and can do nothing. There is nothing good inherent to me. Everything I touch, outside of Christ, I corrupt. I need Christ to live inside of me, to live instead of me, and give me the power to overcome sin, because I have no power outside of Him. There is still so much work for God to do in me. Every day is a struggle. But I have such a hope - a hope that is not yet seen - a hope for the day when my eyes will behold the glory of Christ, and in seeing Him, I will be like Him. And on that day, perfect righteousness will be my own. The righteousness of Christ will no longer belong only to Christ - it will be my righteousness. In the mean time, God, have mercy upon me a sinner. In the mean time, let God be true and every man a liar.
 
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MMXX: "I'd say there's a difference between stumbling occasionally, and practicing sin. Practicing sin means practicing it like a doctor practices medicine. Doctors spend most of their time practicing medicine. It's what they're known for. It's what defines them. So certainly a Christian should not be practicing sin.

But Christian's do stumble once in a while. They make little mistakes here and there. And they learn from their mistakes.

It's like the difference between a worker who messes up a little here and there, and a worker who's willfully negligent."



If a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, by negligence, they go to jail as a murderer.


Anyone who does not also, love their brother, they hate them, they are a murderer..


1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


Now imagine the worker who messes up a little, do they have love, when love works no ill to your brother, as as testified just above, if they do not love their brother,, they abide in death, because if they hate their brother, they are a murderer ( as the negligent doctor is guilty of murder if he makes a mistake that leads to the death of someone)..

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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Recently I woke to the Truth like it says in the Bible: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not[...]"
And I did very well for a month, I went from smoking every day to not smoking at all, and stopped other sins too. (Glory to God)
But as I kept studying the Word, I realized there is adultery at heart, and also murder at heart and I found these two simply impossible to obey, at least for me.
Sometimes it just slips out, I dont necessarily want to commit them, but, sometimes a girl my age more naked than covered, it happens, and when I see a dude with a mask, sometimes I start thinking to myself: " Wow, what a F# Id!" And it's only afterwards that I realize It is a sin and I should not be thinking this if im in Christ, right?
If Im walking in the Spirit, If im "Awake to righteousness[...] ", I should not be sinning, right ?
Or is it that I dont have Christ in me yet ? Maybe im not saved that's why I can sin.
I would say only Jesus Christ is sinless. We can only sin.. less.
So, my question Is it really possible to not sin at all? If not, How can I say im saved, or call myself a Christian if I commit sin everyday ?
We sin because we are sinners, born with a sin nature. When we are born again, the Holy Spirit indwells us and the atonement of Jesus covers our sins. When we stumble into sin, the Holy Spirit will convict us of the wrong and we will feel as though we have been chastised. If you were not saved, you would have no regrets about the sins you commit. It appears you do have regrets, and because you do, you are growing in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. God will continue to create in you what HE started when you were born again. Pray always for strengthened repentance and increased persevering faith. HE will guide your path.
 
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MMXX: "please explain what your doctrine is"



Not the commandments of men that turn from the truth,

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.


Beware of the scribes, seeking salutations, who love praise, one, of one another, as highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God, so no seeking to be justified before men, only praise of God, as they persecuted the prophets of God, but they spoke well of the false prophets,

Mark 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?



And the ending of the world testimony is, they have men's persons in admiration because of advantage..



Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.




To stop serving sin, and offences contrary to the doctrine ( of Christ) which is sound doctrine with no hypocrisy in it, which is whoremongers and the defilers, and liars, which is against the sound doctrine, to rebuke at the end time as they no longer endure this sound doctrine ( of the Lords own words) preferring their own itching ears..



Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;



Any other teaching, is not consenting to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, the doctrine of godliness, they also are PROUD, AND KNOW NOTHING, BUT DOTE ABOUT QUESTIONS AND STRIFES OF WORDS,, WITH EVIL SURMISING AND PERVERSE CORRUPT DISPUTINGS OF MEN, AND DESTITUTE OF THE TRUTH AND WE WITHDRAW FROM SUCH, but we fully know the doctrine of the Holy Apostles of the Holy Lord God, their charity, patience and longsuffering instead of stumbling, as patience has her perfect work, after we have done the will of God..



James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,


All scripture is our doctrine, to instruct us not in sin, but in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, to all good works, none evil ones or shows instruction in unrighteousness, showing in doctrrine a pattern of good works, no corruption, but sincerity..


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Titus 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,


Lastly, if anyone transgresses the doctrine of Christ, they are not abiding in the doctrine of Christ, when we abide in the doctrine of Christ, we abide in Christ without transgressing.

When anyone comes to us, and does not bring this doctrine, we avoid to not be partaker of their evil deeds. That is the same doctrine of Balaam, to serve idols and fornication..




2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
 
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I’m curious why smoking would be a sin?

(I have never smoked)

So, just wondering.

Addiction - if addicted - becomes an idol. When addicted it's your first waking thought in the morning and your last action at night, and haunts you all day, and as such you are a servant of the addiction (bound) instead of free in Christ. We can't have two masters.

When I was saved I was led to quit smoking also.
 
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Smoking not only kills yourself, it kills others too.

Addiction is not all that is sin, unless we say we are addicted to satan, then all addiction is sin, and sin is addiction.

Idols are sin, and idol is all that we covet, whatever it may be, and all that a person can covet, has to be gone, not only mortified, gone completely, but lost too, hence why we are commanded to lose our life to find it again....

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mark 10:18-30 Luke 14:16-33 explains all COMMANDED TO BE DONE....
 
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Smoking not only kills yourself, it kills others too.

Addiction is not all that is sin, unless we say we are addicted to satan, then all addiction is sin, and sin is addiction.

Idols are sin, and idol is all that we covet, whatever it may be, and all that a person can covet, has to be gone, not only mortified, gone completely, but lost too, hence why we are commanded to lose our life to find it again....

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mark 10:18-30 Luke 14:16-33 explains all COMMANDED TO BE DONE....

So what if one sees someone walking out of a shop with an ice cream cone, and then they want to go into the shop and buy an ice cream cone also?
 
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MMXX, says he understands Jerry

Jerry: "When we stumble into sin, the Holy Spirit will convict us of the wrong and we will feel as though we have been chastised"


Jerry says that is our sin nature, for us to sin and be chastised.

So, lets see if I can explain for us what God says on Jerry's understanding of chastisement for sins.

Eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to ourselves, we must be WORTHY.

IF GIVEN A CONSCIENCE, THEY WILL EXAMINE THEMSELVES, TO EAT AND DRINK THE BODY AND BLOOD.

We cannot judge ourselves, so the chastisement of God avoids us being condemned with the world..

1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


Then the ones in Christ Jesus have no condemnation, as they are corrected by God to not be unworthy, we are humbled, and it opens our hart and ears, but it is sin that is condemned in the flesh, but in us it is the righteousness of the law ( of Christ) fulfilled.


Jesus was highly exalted by having the chastisement of our peace upon Him, and we too when abased will be exalted together with Him in Heavenly places, which is why we do not despise the chastisement of the Lord ( the same of course as seen in Christ and all Apostles of the Lord)..

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.


The chastisement is to make us whole, not keep making us whole..

Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.




Read and SEE, that God chastises us to be partaker of His Holiness, and then we need to have peace and holiness with ALL MEN, or we never saw the Lord, never were healed to be free indeed from sin..

Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
 
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MMXX: "So instead of summarizing what the Bible says, one needs to post several supporting verses after each statement?"

Yes, you asked of the doctrine, and yet you speak against the doctrine of Christ to want us all to speak our own words of ourselves..

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 
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MMXX, says he understands Jerry

Jerry: "When we stumble into sin, the Holy Spirit will convict us of the wrong and we will feel as though we have been chastised"


Jerry says that is our sin nature, for us to sin and be chastised.

What Jerry said is pretty standard Christian orthodoxy.

So, lets see if I can explain for us what God says on Jerry's understanding of chastisement for sins.

Eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to ourselves, we must be WORTHY.

IF GIVEN A CONSCIENCE, THEY WILL EXAMINE THEMSELVES, TO EAT AND DRINK THE BODY AND BLOOD.

We cannot judge ourselves, so the chastisement of God avoids us being condemned with the world..


1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


Then the ones in Christ Jesus have no condemnation, as they are corrected by God to not be unworthy, we are humbled, and it opens our hart and ears, but it is sin that is condemned in the flesh, but in us it is the righteousness of the law ( of Christ) fulfilled..

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Okay, I understand the scriptures you post alright. But your words which put in blue and bolded, don't quite seem to gel with those scriptures.

Like I understand 1 Corinthians 11:27-32. But your proceeding statement of: "We cannot judge ourselves, so the chastisement of God avoids us being condemned with the world.." doesn't quite make sense to me. I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way; is English a secondary language to you?
 
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MMXX: "So instead of summarizing what the Bible says, one needs to post several supporting verses after each statement?"

Yes, you asked of the doctrine, and yet you speak against the doctrine of Christ to want us all to speak our own words of ourselves..

No, I'm not speaking against it, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what you're saying others are supposed to be doing and or failing to do.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 
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Jerry: " However, we still live in the flesh, a flesh that remains corrupt and continues to have its innate sin nature, and the flesh wants what it wants; there is no denying that."

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


But, after we are saved, the devil will always attack us, constantly, and we will experience a lifelong battle with the devil; our flesh will fail at times, for we who are saved all stumble in many ways. James 3:2.

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

James 1: 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.



" We are born again for eternal salvation, thus when we do stumble we confess our sin, and through our persevering repentance and faith in the Lord, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9."

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Proverbs 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


"If you claim to live in sinless perfection in your flesh, you are the second one to do so; Jesus being the first (and only), for HE was God incarnate. You are human with an innate sin nature, your flesh has not changed, notwithstanding the Holy Spirit indwelling you."

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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Like I understand 1 Corinthians 11:27-32. But your proceeding statement of: "We cannot judge ourselves, so the chastisement of God avoids us being condemned with the world.." doesn't quite make sense to me. I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way; is English a secondary language to you?

The scriptures show the Lord judges us, because then the Lord chastises us, if we judged ourselves, we would then have to chastise ourselves.

But, the chastisement of God does not come when we sin as a punishment, it comes before that, to keep us humble and away from lust.

You gave your ice cream example, so here is my answer, ( English is my first language but our conversation is in Heaven.Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Would it be God, or the devil, that will bring death on us by sins ?

Does God have to have agreement with the devil, as in Genesis, that by disobeying God, it will not be our death ?

Which sounds like God, and which sounds like the devil out of these two examples, who writes laws in our heart to obey without failing, and who contradicts that, by saying failure is unavoidable at times?

Ice cream is what children enjoy ( we be as little children) smoking is not for children, and we should not follow anything that is not for little children therefore. Also, God is our father, a Father that keeps His children away from playing with either the devil, or the devils children.
 
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Like I understand 1 Corinthians 11:27-32. But your proceeding statement of: "We cannot judge ourselves, so the chastisement of God avoids us being condemned with the world.." doesn't quite make sense to me. I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way; is English a secondary language to you?

The scriptures show the Lord judges us, because then the Lord chastises us, if we judged ourselves, we would then have to chastise ourselves.

But, the chastisement of God does not come when we sin as a punishment, it comes before that, to keep us humble and away from lust.

You gave your ice cream example, so here is my answer, ( English is my first language but our conversation is in Heaven.Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Would it be God, or the devil, that will bring death on us by sins ?

Does God have to have agreement with the devil, as in Genesis, that by disobeying God, it will not be our death ?
We earn death, just as we earn our weekly pay: the wages of sin is death. The infant that dies at a week outside the womb dies not because they sinned, but because of the child's innate sin nature. Likewise, no one earns life. Life everlasting is a gift and comes only to those who trust in the Lord - are born again.

Again, I ask, and please give your personal response and not use scripture: do you sin? It's either yes or no. If you can't muster up the fortitude to answer directly, I'll take it as a yes, you do sin.
 
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Jerry: "We earn death, just as we earn our weekly pay: the wages of sin is death. The infant that dies at a week outside the womb dies not because they sinned, but because of the child's innate sin nature. Likewise, no one earns life. Life everlasting is a gift and comes only to those who trust in the Lord - are born again."

Yes your words are predicted, read and see about the weekly wage ..

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;


"Again, I ask, and please give your personal response and not use scripture: do you sin? It's either yes or no. If you can't muster up the fortitude to answer directly, I'll take it as a yes, you do sin."


Sin is what we are ashamed of now, it is shameful to speak of what you do in secret, do you want to tell us about your shame, ( if it's not too shameful) ? I take it as too shameful, if you prefer not to talk about it/confess it.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Ephesians 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
 
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Jerry: "We earn death, just as we earn our weekly pay: the wages of sin is death. The infant that dies at a week outside the womb dies not because they sinned, but because of the child's innate sin nature. Likewise, no one earns life. Life everlasting is a gift and comes only to those who trust in the Lord - are born again."

Yes your words are predicted, read and see about the weekly wage ..

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;


"Again, I ask, and please give your personal response and not use scripture: do you sin? It's either yes or no. If you can't muster up the fortitude to answer directly, I'll take it as a yes, you do sin."


Sin is what we are ashamed of now, it is shameful to speak of what you do in secret, do you want to tell us about your shame, ( if it's not too shameful) ? I take it as too shameful, if you prefer not to talk about it/confess it.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Ephesians 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Thank you for your response, or rather lack thereof: you do sin.

But, to be sure, I did not ask you to confess your particulars in public, only to answer yes or no to a very simple and direct question: do you sin? Since you can't muster strength enough to answer yes or no, I assume it's either your pride preventing you or your guilt preventing you from doing so.

Here's my answer: I am a sinner, I sometimes sin, and I always confess my sin to my Lord who forgives me and cleanses me each and every time. If you lean antinomian, say so. If you lean semi-Pelagian, say so. Otherwise, go ahead and do as you will and cite scripture, but examine yourself before you pass judgment on others in the ekklesia.

You're no more sanctified than the new-born again brother or sister that is also troubled by sin. The difference appears the pride you have in yourself, more so than the humble servant who was only recently regenerated from a life of full of sin. Jesus had a word for the Pharisees of his day: hypocrite. Take heed of the word of God and alight your high holier-than-thou horse. Proverb 16:18.
 
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Addiction - if addicted - becomes an idol. When addicted it's your first waking thought in the morning and your last action at night, and haunts you all day, and as such you are a servant of the addiction (bound) instead of free in Christ. We can't have two masters.

When I was saved I was led to quit smoking also.

Ok, so you didn’t really answer my question.

Addiction is one thing, and people can be addicted to anything.
Social media for instance. Food. Shopping.

Smoking cigarettes does not imply an addiction, any more than eating 4 candy bars.

Just so you know where I’m coming from, I have never smoked anything in my life and don’t intend to.
But if somewhere out of the blue, maybe when I’m 88, if I decide to smoke something, I’m surely not going to be concerned about sin.
 
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Smoking cigarettes does not imply an addiction, any more than eating 4 candy bars.

And I agree with you, that is why I specified addiction, instead of just smoking... smoking in and of itself may not be a sin, but for some, the addiction to it definitely makes it sin.

My husband is a Christian who smoked when I met him, but when his wife (he is a widower) asked him to stop he stopped without issue and didn't smoke again for 7 years. After she died he liked smoking, so he went back to it for the enjoyment.

I could never in a million years do that... as a matter of fact when I felt led by God to quit I told God He was asking the only thing that was impossible for me to give, because I couldn't quit even when I wanted to.

Quitting is still my miracle from God, as weird as it sounds. God did in me what was impossible in and of myself. In my weakness, He proved His strength.

My husband has stopped smoking again, but I'm sure when I die if he still lives he'll probably smoke again... lol. Still amazes me he can pick it up and put it down like it's nothing...
 
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I wouldn't have anything to do with a Christian who smoked (pay no attention to my avatar).
According to the movie about his life, put out by Christian Films, he smoked cigars until he was told it wasn't a good look so he gave them up. The report that he smoked a pipe was not true.
 
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