the battle over vaccines (rationing care).

As the article states, vaccination status might be a consideration when it comes to triage for an ICU bed. Vaccinated car accident victim vs unvaccinated Covid patient both needing an ICU bed, which might you go with?

GreekOrthodox said:

Vaccinated car accident victim vs unvaccinated Covid patient both needing an ICU bed, which might you go with?

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the person in the worse condition, car accident might be internal bleeding needing to be address asap.

Give them antivirals? Remdesivir? We've moved on quite a LONG way now from March 2020. How is this even still a thing?

We're basically back to normal over here.

If vaccinated people have a better chance to survive an ICU stay, I would prefer to have vaccinated people go to the front of the line.

BeyondET said:

the person in the worse condition, car accident might be internal bleeding needing to be address asap.

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How long does it take to find out if a person is vaccinated, when there is massive internal bleeding? They don't normally wait even to find out if they have insurance.

GreekOrthodox said:

As the article states, vaccination status might be a consideration when it comes to triage for an ICU bed. Vaccinated car accident victim vs unvaccinated Covid patient both needing an ICU bed, which might you go with?

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The most severe case should take priority, whichever one that may be. Vaccinated or not shouldn’t even be a factor.

Proverbs 20:23

Unequal weights are an abomination to the Lord,
and false scales are not good.

dogs4thewin said:

How about this

Opinions | When medical care must be rationed, should vaccination status count? (msn.com)

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I haven’t studied medical ethics and ultimately defer to those in the medical field who are both living /working within with the current crisis and have studied the topic of ethics in medicine.

That being said, my personal, not completely educated opinion is that this is an unprecedented situation and there are no appropriate analogies or worries of a slippery slope. People who stubbornly and selfishly refused to do the super easy, free thing and get vaccinated, claiming COVID isn’t that bad, individual freedom, don’t trust science, are now overwhelming hospitals and causing the DEATH and suffering of vaccinated people who now cannot access medical care. If you didn’t trust the medical field on vaccines why are you going to them to save your life?

Sparagmos said:

If you didn’t trust the medical field on vaccines why are you going to them to save your life?

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Because its all about ME!

Mark Quayle said:

How long does it take to find out if a person is vaccinated, when there is massive internal bleeding? They don't normally wait even to find out if they have insurance.

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Ive got a copy of my card in my wallet.

ReesePiece23 said:

Give them antivirals? Remdesivir? We've moved on quite a LONG way now from March 2020. How is this even still a thing?

We're basically back to normal over here.

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More Than 75 Doctors Walk Out of South Florida Hospital Rather Than Treat the Unvaccinated – Patriot Alerts

Doesn’t seem normal.

dogs4thewin said:

translate please .

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Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is an abomination to the LORD,
but a just weight is his delight.

Proverbs 16:11
A just balance and scales are the LORD’s;
all the weights in the bag are his work.

Hosea 12:7
A merchant, in whose hands are false balances,
he loves to oppress.

Matthew 5:45
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.


There is nothing in God's law that attributes a moral value to taking the vaccination nor does it offer biblical evidence that not taking it is a moral transgression. We may have our own reasons, anecdotal evidence, scientific studies, strongly held convictions for why we think others should take or not take but it is rooted in personal conviction, not an absolute moral principle.

To highlight a point from the editorial:

Doctors and hospitals are not in the blame and punishment business. Nor should they be. That doctors treat sinners and responsible citizens alike is a noble tradition, an ethical feature and not a bug. And we shouldn’t abandon it now.

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The Lord, who is perfectly and infinitely just, is not pleased with unjust scales.

Sparagmos said:

I haven’t studied medical ethics and ultimately defer to those in the medical field who are both living /working within with the current crisis and have studied the topic of ethics in medicine.

That being said, my personal, not completely educated opinion is that this is an unprecedented situation and there are no appropriate analogies or worries of a slippery slope. People who stubbornly and selfishly refused to do the super easy, free thing and get vaccinated, claiming COVID isn’t that bad, individual freedom, don’t trust science, are now overwhelming hospitals and causing the DEATH and suffering of vaccinated people who now cannot access medical care. If you didn’t trust the medical field on vaccines why are you going to them to save your life?

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'Consensus' seems to be whatever gets noised abroad. There are plenty of healthcare workers, professionals, doctors, who say the science does not support it. But they are systematically silenced. "And rightly so!", I hear, in my left ear... "The first amendment can be put on hold —this is an emergency!"

GreekOrthodox said:

Ive got a copy of my card in my wallet.

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I don't carry my wallet at work. And the rescue guys at the traffic accident scene won't look for it, where I do keep it. (No, don't bother looking; I don't keep much money in it.)

Mark Quayle said:

I don't carry my wallet at work. And the rescue guys at the traffic accident scene won't look for it, where I do keep it. (No, don't bother looking; I don't keep much money in it.)

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I also keep my medication list with my drivers license with some emergency numbers.

.Jeremiah. said:

More Than 75 Doctors Walk Out of South Florida Hospital Rather Than Treat the Unvaccinated – Patriot Alerts

Doesn’t seem normal.

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It is not surprising, the sympathy for the unvaccinated is waning. The evidence is there, COVID is bad, the numbers are getting worse, and it is spreading like wildfire among the unvaccinated.

If people are not willing to take care of themselves, why should the overworked doctors?