Pfizer vaccine receives FDA approval.

Tinker Grey said:

Yes, but will you be here to comment?

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No need to worry about that.....we, who know God, do not die:

"25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

I know your answer is "No," so I am ok with any method you believe will help keep you healthy as long as possible.

RaymondG said:

Yes, they have to take flu shots etc... And it is different. Do you believe that everyone agrees with you on everything? I like a lot of food, but there are some foods I would not eat......."Yet that’s different because reasons I’m sure."

You believe that because one is comfortable taking a flu shot, they have to be comfortable with the covid vaccine? what does one have to do with the other?

Not everyone likes the same foods, not everyone are comfortable with the same vaccines. If you are angry with everyone who doesnt like the same foods you eat, or are not comfortable injecting themselves with everything you are comfortable injecting yourself with....you will be angry for the rest of your life.

And it is unwise to desire others to be forced to do things just because you are comfortable doing them.

If you like your liberties.....it would be best to, at least, desire that others keep theirs.

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Getting back to this, the comparison would work if different choices in food caused one to be much more likely to transmit a a virus to the patients in their care. That not being how things work it falls on it’s face.

The point was if requiring a hepatitis vaccination to work in a hospital isn’t a awful abridgment of ones rights why is it such with the Covid vaccine?

dogs4thewin said:

Do people not have the option particularly if the employment is at will to leave the employment if they feel strongly enough about the policies? Since the answer is yes they are not being forced.

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All independently wealthy people indeed have the option to decide to leave a job at will or upon force. The rest...no. Not if they want to eat and feed their families.

dogs4thewin said:

Do people not have the option particularly if the employment is at will to leave the employment if they feel strongly enough about the policies? Since the answer is yes they are not being forced.

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You speak like you have no family to take care of....or one who is retired and is being supported by the government.....or, i guess single, with parents, who are retired, whose home you can stay at until you can find a work from home job.

Those who are not in these situations, much vaccinate to feed our children.....to provide healthcare for them......to get their medication....

How can you say that one who need medication for their sick child, can just quit their job if they feel strongly about not taking a vaccine?

Do you have children? Is there nothing you wouldnt do for them?

RaymondG said:

Is there nothing you wouldnt do for them?

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Like take a FDA approved vaccination?

FDA approval? So what. The FDA is a corrupt government agency that has been wrong time after time after time.
Seven Dangerous Drugs You Won't Believe Were Actually Approved By The FDA

“The FDA is supposedly a watchdog agency mandated to protect the public from dangerous and ineffective drugs. In fact, the FDA is ineffective and dangerous to the public.”
Alexander Bingham, Clinical Psychiatrist and Professor at John F. Kennedy University. Misplaced Trust: Why FDA Approval Doesn’t Guarantee Drug Safety

The FDA is beholden to powerful political elites and powerful special interest. Just one word confirms this: tobacco. To this day, the FDA refuses to designate tobacco a dangerous product, which would ban its production and sale in the USA. Why? Both the federal and states government rely on taxes from the sale and use of tobacco products. Projected tax revenue from tobacco sales is a revenue line item in every state budgets. If the FDA did the right thing and declared tobacco products dangerous, then the feds and the states would have to find another tax to either increase or create to fill the giant void. Corrupt. Evil.

Right on time

Desk trauma said:

Like take a FDA approved vaccination?

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Yes....a Father would die for his children......or get cancer 15 years down the road....... the worse things that could happen with a, previously un-approved vaccine....

Reminds me of the love the Father has for us....To die for, and continue to love, those who will not even believe He exists.

This approval make way for more mandates.....

I wonder if we are reaping what we have sown......for I bet many berated the jewish community for refusing vaccines and causing measles outbreaks. Im sure many of us would have wanted them to be forced to take it.....now we see what that feels like.

RaymondG said:

I wonder if we are reaping what we have sown......for I bet many berated the jewish community for refusing vaccines and causing measles outbreaks. Im sure many of us would have wanted them to be forced to take it.....now we see what that feels like.

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They caused needless sickness death therefore we reap other people doing the same thing but for another virus? What?

Desk trauma said:

Getting back to this, the comparison would work if different choices in food caused one to be much more likely to transmit a a virus to the patients in their care. That not being how things work it falls on it’s face.

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Im happy you value the wisdom of the wise so much that you cannot let this go.....But it was freely given to me, so I will freely give it to you.

The patients my family take care of already have covid......so there is no risk of me giving to them....the risks, i guess would be them giving to us. The forcing injections for fear of me transmitting does not apply......as they dont in many other mandated situations.

I suspect that the reason for forcing the vaccine will change depending on the environment and the institution.

we are protecting the patients in hospitals, the children in schools, the elderly in nursing homes, the patrons in stores, the people walking in the parks...etc..

And these new approvals will make way for more mandates.

Desk trauma said:

The point was if requiring a hepatitis vaccination to work in a hospital isn’t a awful abridgment of ones rights why is it such with the Covid vaccine?

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I happen to think the analogy does work......you think all vaccines are equal and harmless so if you are ok with one, you should be ok with all... And, likewise all food, deemed safe to eat, is harmless....So why would you allow people to be picky about the foods they put in their body, but not about the medicine they put in their body?

Can I be ok with motrin, but refuse to take aspirin? Can I be ok with a flu shot, but refuse to take a covid shot or tetanus shot?

Your, "ok with one item in a group, ok with all items," is not realistic.

TLK Valentine said:

As opposed to "do as we say or you'll burn in hell for all eternity"?

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I wouldn't know about this totally different context you present. I don't know anyone who says that, but perhaps they are out there. Pretty scary in Afghanistan right now.

So the coercion is fine with you, so long as it is not religious? Is that the point you are making?

You people are nuts. If you were swimming at the beach and the lifeguard blew his whistle and told everybody to get out of the water, you'd probably refuse while calling him a tyrant - just before you were eaten by a shark.

Desk trauma said:

They caused needless sickness death therefore we reap other people doing the same thing but for another virus? What?

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No, the seed sown, is the desire to force others to vaccinate to protect ourselves....even though they are against it.

You are giving to us what we gave to them.

RestoreTheJoy said:

All independently wealthy people indeed have the option to decide to leave a job at will or upon force. The rest...no. Not if they want to eat and feed their families.

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I dunno. Apparently the US is in the midst of a social phenomenon being called "The Great Resignation."

RaymondG said:

No need to worry about that.....we, who know God, do not die:

"25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

I know your answer is "No," so I am ok with any method you believe will help keep you healthy as long as possible.

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For non-standard definitions of "die".

Strathos said:

You people are nuts. If you were swimming at the beach and the lifeguard blew his whistle and told everybody to get out of the water, you'd probably refuse while calling him a tyrant - just before you were eaten by a shark.

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Completely inapposite comparison.

Now, if we invent some criteria here, we can make it a decent analogy, but it requires invention. What you say does not stand alone.

Let's say, for example, that your lifeguard has lifeguard credentials of some kind but has never actually seen a shark or saved anyone. But he's read all about it so he is considered an Expert (TM). And let's say, for argument's sake, that sharks are wired not to bite a previously bitten person, and that 25% of the people in the water have already been bitten by a shark, which confers immunity. Now you've got an analogy.

In that case, the completely rational and logical response will be what happens: all those who had not been bitten will hightail it out of the water, as well those who are helping the vulnerable out (old, young, can't swim, etc) to be safe. Everyone else will go about his business and probably go look for the shark.

Strathos said:

You people are nuts. If you were swimming at the beach and the lifeguard blew his whistle and told everybody to get out of the water, you'd probably refuse while calling him a tyrant - just before you were eaten by a shark.

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Yes and we would also refuse to take a Parachute on a sky diving trip, knowing that God will lead us safely to the ground without it.

Your exaggerations are played out.... Why not move on if you have nothing edifying to say?

Why do people take joy in berating the beliefs and opinions of others....when they do not share the same?

Remember, God is not mocked.