Pfizer To Get Full Approval; The Mandates Are Coming

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Now on a different Christian forum, someone is claiming that their son who is a highly ranking intelligence officer for the military and is saying stay away from the boosters. That the boosters are the killer shot as It is definitely a bio-weapon that is of a designer type that especially targets specific DNA sequences or genomes of the white human extraction.
 
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Once the government mandates it then people will still have the choice to obey the mandate or disobey it and face the repercussion. And if the repercussion is fines and sentence to a special quarantine jail for the unvaccinated then that's fine if they choose that (plus a felony on their record).

I think that's all fine. People dan still choose to break the law and then face the repercussions, and then they can be separated out so the disease can be contained better.

The government really needs to mandate vaccines. President Biden is too conservative to make the move so it may have to come down to the governors of states doing it.
I can tell you some governors would not do it either. I KNOW Kemp would not he knows better he has even stated people would revoit if it were tried.
 
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No vaccine is without risks. So this is not news.

The greater risk is covid. So, when it's time to get my booster, I'll be going. According to you' I'm not worth saving, yet I continue to say all are worth saving! Wear a mask and get vaccinated!
Let people decide for themselves which is the bigger risk. The fact is this there is a MAYBE 2% mortality rate from co-vid some people may look at that small number and decide that being in that 2% is a risk they are willing to take.
 
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Pfizer will get full approval on Monday. The waffling by governments, unions and businesses should end. Also, Pfizer will be allowed to advertise and otherwise promote their vaccine.
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Many companies and schools were afraid of law suits and other actions related to a vaccine that wasn't fully approved. We will see lots more concerts like the concert tonight: no vaccine, no admittance.

As an aside, I think it negligent for teacher's organizations and unions to allow their members to work without being vaccinated; ditto for health care workers and first responders.

Hopefully, much of this will change soon. In any case, it is too late to prevent all the school closings, and the hundreds of thousands of cases (and then hospitalizations and deaths). Schools (especially high schools) will be breeding grounds for the virus. IMO, thousands of schools will be closed within a month.

Masks are NOT really the primary issue in schools. The masks we use help, but they are no match for the variant. The bottom line is that NO ONE OVER 12 YEARS OLD should allowed on school grounds without proof of vaccination. Vaccines for those under 12 needs to be approved ASAP. If schools are forced to accept unvaccinated and unmasked children, then they should be segregated and taught by volunteer staff, and allowed ZERO contact with the other children.
Sorry, but not going to happen. All the lab rats out there who are so-called "vaccinated" and getting deathly ill with the virus from which they were"vaccinated" is enough evidence for me that this "vaccine" is one big lie.
 
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Including making people who refuse to get the vaccine or wear masks pay the full covid-related medical expenses for everyone else? Sounds like a plan. I can't wait for my health insurance costs to go down.
sounds fair
 
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Sorry, but not going to happen. All the lab rats out there who are so-called "vaccinated" and getting deathly ill with the virus from which they were"vaccinated" is enough evidence for me that this "vaccine" is one big lie.
Actually way more than 90% of people in the hospitals did not take the vaccine. Sounds to me that for the most part we are not the ones becoming deathly ill.
 
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Let people decide for themselves which is the bigger risk.

By doing that, they are also deciding for others what their outcome can be as well. Especially if they won't wear a mask.

The government has to step in for our own good since too many people won't do the right thing.
 
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Let people decide for themselves which is the bigger risk. The fact is this there is a MAYBE 2% mortality rate from co-vid some people may look at that small number and decide that being in that 2% is a risk they are willing to take.
you do not get to decide for yourself because your decision affects millions of others.

Seriously people, this is a vaccine. You know the thing that eradicated smallpox from the face of the earth, and pushed polio and measles near extinction?

This isn't some 5g pizzagate 4d chess threat to your freedom, it is life saving medicine that has been proven, in the middle of the greatest pandemic in nearly a century.

Get your shots, move on with your life just like you did before with all the other vaccines you almost certainly got.
 
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Biden conservative? That's too funny. The leftists want total control, and your post makes clear that total control is the end game. Much like tge coming false prophet and antichrist: no freedom to buy or sell to those that reject the mark and refuse to worship the beast, and the martyrdom for the faithful.
Biden is conservative on the global curve. He's moved towards the left during his term, but he's barely left of center. The Overton window in America is so skewed we might as well be Saudi Arabia.
 
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By doing that, they are also deciding for others what their outcome can be as well. Especially if they won't wear a mask.

The government has to step in for our own good since too many people won't do the right thing.
If I take the shot ( which I did) I am at a lower chance of getting ill or dying right? If someone else does not take the shot they are at a higher risk the cold hard number is still low though. I learned a LONG time ago ( when my father relapsed and later died after a bout of recurrent colon cancer that was not supposed to happen that stats are not personal. In other words, just because you may be on the "wrong side of the numbers for us it was 10% does not change the cold hard numbers. Here just because someone is in the 2ish% percent does not change the 98% of the better outcome and some people are willing to understand and accept that risk.
 
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If I take the shot ( which I did) I am at a lower chance of getting ill or dying right? If someone else does not take the shot they are at a higher risk the cold hard number is still low though. I learned a LONG time ago ( when my father relapsed and later died after a bout of recurrent colon cancer that was not supposed to happen that stats are not personal. In other words, just because you may be on the "wrong side of the numbers for us it was 10% does not change the cold hard numbers. Here just because someone is in the 2ish% percent does not change the 98% of the better outcome and some people are willing to understand and accept that risk.

Why should they be allowed to put others at risk?
 
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Why should they be allowed to put others at risk?
but if people have taken the shot they are better odds, so therefore it would seem that the only people they were putting at a somewhat larger risk are ( for the most part) people who have made the same decision. I say for the most part because there ARE medical reasons people do not get shots.
 
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As a general note...

I am reminded how bad humans are at intuitively assessing risk.

That is all.

[Be a patriot, not like those sniveling Confederates, and get your fully approved shot today. Help protect America and the world against the scourge of Covid.]
 
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but if people have taken the shot they are better odds, so therefore it would seem that the only people they were putting at a somewhat larger risk are ( for the most part) people who have made the same decision. I say for the most part because there ARE medical reasons people do not get shots.

The ones not getting the shot aren’t just putting themselves at greater risk. They are also putting at greater risk the ones who can’t get the shot. The immune compromised and children who are too young to get the shot. By not getting the shot they are making themselves an easier vector for this disease to spread and possibly mutate. Their selfishness is putting people, particularly children in greater harms way. Fortunately for the Christians in that group, they believe in an all-merciful deity so they won’t have to pay for their disregard of their fellow man.
 
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Including making people who refuse to get the vaccine or wear masks pay the full covid-related medical expenses for everyone else? Sounds like a plan. I can't wait for my health insurance costs to go down.
I don't typically reply to my own posts, but when insurance companies obviously use them to determine policy, I can't help but thank them for it - https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavir...companies-will-no-longer-waive-covid-19-costs

Throughout the pandemic many insurance providers waived co-pays, deductibles and other costs associated with a COVID-19 hospital stay. However, with vaccines widely available those companies now say it’s time for patients to start paying.

Combine this with a discount for the vaccinated similar to those for non-smokers and we're starting to get to where the unvaccinated "may choose to face the repercussions that is THEIR choice".
 
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but if people have taken the shot they are better odds, so therefore it would seem that the only people they were putting at a somewhat larger risk are ( for the most part) people who have made the same decision.
Plus children 12 and under, but no one really cares about them anyway.
 
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but if people have taken the shot they are better odds, so therefore it would seem that the only people they were putting at a somewhat larger risk are ( for the most part) people who have made the same decision. I say for the most part because there ARE medical reasons people do not get shots.
Aside from the groups already mentioned, they are also putting the vaccinated at risk as the longer the virus is allowed to spread, the more likely it is that it mutates, and the risk is that a mutation developes that the vaccines wont handle, or at least not handle as good as of now.

There are no rational reasons why people shouldnt take the vaccine.
 
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Plus children 12 and under, but no one really cares about them anyway.
The reason I did not mention them was that there will likely be one for them at some point, whereas with medical issues many of them do not change.
 
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