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[Here's what it tells me.] (Romans 8:1-2) 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.[I'm free from sin and death not God's commandments and why would I want to be they are holy, just, and good.
1Cor15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
2Cor3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory,

Kinda knocks what you believe the commandments are now doesn't it? Especially when it is Jesus ambassador telling us that the ten commandments were the ministry of death and the power of sin is the law. So, I would say that 1Cor is telling us that Jesus has made us free from the ritual laws of the old covenant. Laws dealing with morality are and have been forever.

Also I don't let others speak my mind but the set-apart Spirit within me guides all my thoughts and actions.] (Romans 7:22)
Oh come on now. The way I see it someone has gotten to you and planted weed seed information and you bought in hook, line and sinker.

[What I thought the law had been abolished you said, guess not.]
You said I said Jesus abolished the Law which was not true. Jesus said He didn't come to abolish it. How could I say differently? I am a Jesus follower.
 
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1Cor15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
2Cor3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory,

Kinda knocks what you believe the commandments are now doesn't it? Especially when it is Jesus ambassador telling us that the ten commandments were the ministry of death and the power of sin is the law. So, I would say that 1Cor is telling us that Jesus has made us free from the ritual laws of the old covenant. Laws dealing with morality are and have been forever.


Oh come on now. The way I see it someone has gotten to you and planted weed seed information and you bought in hook, line and sinker.


You said I said Jesus abolished the Law which was not true. Jesus said He didn't come to abolish it. How could I say differently? I am a Jesus follower.
[Doesn't change what I believe at all.] (Romans 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [The truth is in the word.]
 
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Nowhere does that say it abolished God's commandments.

My chainsaw has made my axe "obsolete", but my axe has not been "abolished".

Do you understand the difference?


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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My chainsaw has made my axe "obsolete", but my axe has not been "abolished".

Do you understand the difference?


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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Covenant doesn't equal law it equals accord understand the difference.
 
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Covenant doesn't equal law it equals accord understand the difference.


Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.



Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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Hi swordsman, sorry I was out today just getting to this. I might have to brake this down into smaller posts if this does not fit here.
swordsman1 said: No, Wikipedia is NOT is scholarly criticism.
Sorry that is not true. What was posted in Wikipedia was scholarly criticism in regards to the interpretation of the Greek from Didache 14:1 under the section of "Ambiguous references". "The term "Lord's" appears in The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles or Didache, a document dated between 70 and 120. Didache 14:1a is translated by Roberts as, "But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving"; another translation begins, "On the Lord's own day". The first clause in Greek, "κατά κυριακήν δέ κυρίου", literally means "On the Lord's of the Lord", a unique and unexplained double possessive, and translators supply the elided noun, e.g., "day" (ἡμέρα hemera), "commandment" (from the immediately prior verse 13:7), or "doctrine".[16][17] This is one of two early extrabiblical Christian uses of "κυριακήν" where it does not clearly refer to Sunday because textual readings have given rise to questions of proper translation. Breaking bread (daily or weekly) may refer to Christian fellowship, agape feasts, or Eucharist (cf. Acts 2:42, 20:7)."

As posted earlier various scholars have argued the above for years now. The above is simply a summary of published textual criticism of the translation of Didache 14.1 being "the Lords day" which is not in the original Greek because it has no reference point to time.
Anyone can edit a wikipedia page, including amateurs such as yourself. So that page on the subject of "the Lord's Day", a controversial topic for SDA's, has most likely been heavily edited by them. Show me proper peer-reviewed material by genuine scholars, such as seminary professors, that argues that Didache 14:1 has been mistranslated by all Koine Greek experts. You have provided no scholarly citations or any other evidence to support your assertions about 'reference points'. You've simply presented an unproven theory that claims all translations of the Didache 14:1 by Greek scholars are wrong, with no supporting evidence. Sorry but it looks like baloney to me and unless you can provide some independent proof, I'll believe the Greek experts rather than you, a self confessed amateur.
That is not true at all. These have all been peer reviewed here on the same subject matter as wiki. These are only a few but there are many more references I have not listed here from the peer reviewed published papers listed below on the same subject matter as posted in wiki above..

1. The Sabbath in Scripture and History by Professor Kenneth Strand
2. The Lord's day of Revelation 1:10 the current debate by Professor Ranko Stefanovic
3. From Sabbath to Sunday ... by Dr Samuele Bacchiocci
4. An Analysis of “the Lord’s day” in the Didache... by Greg A Howell from Professor Michael Simmons HCHT685B – Christianity in the 2nd and 3rd Centuries Professor Michael Simmons
When I question your theory you simply repeat it over and over again. (this is now the 3rd iteration of it).
What theory would that be? Is "the Lords day" written in the original Greek of Didache 14:1? -Nope. If the Lords day is not written in the Greek of Didache 14:1 why are you pretending that it is when the original Greek is "Lords of Lord" which was changed to "Lords day" by the translators adding in [day] without any reference point to time or week? This is not theory dear friend it is fact. "κατά κυριακήν δέ κυρίου", literally means "Lord's of the Lord" not the Lords day. What other theory would you be referring to? That there is no scripture to support the man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? I asked you if you disagree please post the scripture showing that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. No one has posted me a single scripture to prove this early church teaching and tradition is biblical in this entire thread. These are of course facts not theory. On the other hand theory is trying to prove that "the Lords day" is Sunday outside of the scriptures when there is no scripture that proves this teaching.
My quotations of from Magnesians, Gospel of Peter, Didache, and the LXX absolutely prove my point. They are all examples where word 'day' is not in the original Greek, but all translators add it because they know that is how the Greek day naming system works. Or do you claim all these Koine Greek translators have got it wrong as well? And again your only response is to repeat your unproven theory yet again (now for the 4th time).
Sorry dear friend but I respectfully disagree. They do not prove your point at all. As posted earlier whenever day is inferred or added in by the translators when it is not in the biblical text it is added because there is a reference point to time (e.g first of the week). You were provided scripture examples and the Greek earlier from John 20:19 see original Greek context to week here. The Didache 14.1 original Greek has no reference point to time and no reason to add the word "day" which is not in the original Greek. This is the textual criticism shown earlier that demonstrates a mistranslation of Didache 14.1. Also you may want to consider that in Revelation 1:10 in the Koine Greek is τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" the Greek word for "day" (ἡμέρᾳ) is in the original Greek and is not supplied by the translator.
Apart from the translations, there are only 2 other links in that section, both referring to the lack of the word 'day' in the Greek. Have you read them? Archer, Gleason L. An Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties p. 114 "There is no valid ground for questioning whether this really referred to Sunday. To this very day it is the regular word for "Sunday" in modern Greek, and it is plainly so intended in the earliest postbiblical witnesses (Didache 14:1, first quarter of the second century; Epistle of Barnabas 15:1, early second century)."
Thanks for this pick up. I did not read this reference by Gleason as it was 400+ pages long so I removed it from my references. I assumed it was one of the reference used for the main criticism in wiki of Didache 14:1 and the quote that says "Didache 14:1a is translated by Roberts as, "But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving"; another translation begins, "On the Lord's own day". The first clause in Greek, "κατά κυριακήν δέ κυρίου", literally means "On the Lord's of the Lord", a unique and unexplained double possessive, and translators supply the elided noun, e.g., "day" (ἡμέρα hemera), "commandment" (from the immediately prior verse 13:7), or "doctrine".[16][17] This is one of two early extrabiblical Christian uses of "κυριακήν" where it does not clearly refer to Sunday because textual readings have given rise to questions of proper translation. Breaking bread (daily or weekly) may refer to Christian fellowship, agape feasts, or Eucharist (cf. Acts 2:42, 20:7)." This was because of Gleeson's paper title "An encyclopedia of bible difficulties" which I thought was a critique. So I agreed Gleason's reference in note [16] is not a critique so not quite sure why it was referenced there under the ambiguous reference explanation. I have removed this from my lists of supporting references in previous posts. Gleason's reference is not the critique of Didache 14.1 but an argument that Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. However there is no reference to Sunday being "the Lords day" given from the scriptures and the Lords day is not included in the Greek in section 14:1 of the Didache which is not even investigated there. The original Greek translations of course are still valid claims of concern that are being ignored here in favor of extra biblical sources outside of the bible that do not agree with the bible and the translation to "the Lords day" from Didache 14.1. So there is no unanimous view here according to scholars as you are proposing and never has been as this has been an argument between the scholars for many years now.
Strand, Kenneth A. (1982). The Sabbath in Scripture and History. pp. 347–8.Strand is an SDA, but in he doesn't say that "day" shouldn't be in the translation of Didache 14.1. Quite the opposite! He wants it to be Easter day!
Not really. Strand was only giving an overview of what various scholars thought Didache 14.1 was referring to as they did not believe that Didache 14.1 was a correct translation from "Lords of Lord" to Lords day when the Lords day was not in the original Greek. The context is provided here...

"The Didache, a sort of baptismal, organizational, or instructional manual, has been dated anywhere from the late first century to the late second century, but the statement in chapter 14 of interest here reads as follows: Kata kuriakin de kuriou sunaxtlumles klasale arton kai mxaristisate-''On the Lord's of the Lord or "According to the Lord's of the Lord" assemble, break bread, and bold Eucharist." The word "day" (Greek himeran, in the accusative case) does not actually appear in the text, but most Lranslators have added it in their English translation, making the text read as follows: "On the Lord's day. . . ." Some students of the text would, however, suggest the rendition "According to the Lord's commandment . . ."-also a possible translation of the original Greek. Samuele Bacchiocchi, following a rendition of John Baptiste Thibaut and supponing it with a rather impressive line of evidence, gives a similar translation : ""'According to the sovereign doctrine of the Lord.""'

From there onwards Strand shows that other Scholars have critiqued the translation of Didache 14.1 to "Lords day" from "Lord's of the Lord" to a possible meaning of easter Sunday to the British Scholar C. W Dugmore stating that Dugmore does not accept a Lord's day translation to weekly Christian Sunday in the New testament and subapostolic literature and felt it was strange that if this day was indeed the most important day of its time there would be more mention of it prior to Justin Martyr at the middle of the second century. Strand goes on to look at how other scholars have critiqued the translation of Didache 14:1 and looked at applying different meaning other than "the Lords day" which is not in the original Greek (e.g. Lawrence T. Geraty).
The sda article by Ranko Stefanovic, does not appear in the Wikipedia page. But I read it. As you would expect from an sda, he objects to adding the word 'day' in Did 1:14, but the only reason he gives is because the word does not appear in the Greek. Doh! He is obviously unaware of the Greek day naming system. He certainly makes no mention of 'reference points'.
I see so in your view any published peer reviewed paper put out by a Professor or Doctor (pHd) from an SDA University cannot be true because they are SDA? So what if Ranko Stefanovic does not appear in wiki's references? You asked for peer reviewed published papers by Professors critiquing the Greek translation of Didache 14.1. I posted some extras for you. It seems you may not be aware of the day naming system in the Hebrew and Jewish culture and biblical texts of the bible. As posted earlier if "day" is not in the original Greek text the reference point used by the translators in adding the English word day needs to be some reference point to time. There is no reference point in the Greek text of Didache 14:1. That is why some scholars have critiqued it as a mistranslation not based on evidence because there is no reference point to time and "Lords day" is not in the original Greek (e.g. John 20:19 see Greek context to week here). Now note; Revelation 1:10 in the Koine Greek is τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" with ἡμέρᾳ (day) not being a supplied word of the translators but the original Greek text that is not supplied. That is why other scholars have critiqued the Greek translation of Didache 14.1 as Strand and other scholars have noted there is no reference point to time to add in the word [day] there needs to be a reference to time (e.g first day of the week)

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Not only are the Greek translators unanimous in their translation of Did 1:14 as the 'the Lord's day', but so are the scholars who have written commentaries on it:
The Didache A Missing Piece of the Puzzle in Early Christianity by Jonathan A. Draper
Didache - The teaching of the twelve apostles by Clayton N. Jefford
THE LORD'S DAY by Richard J. Bauckham
As shown earlier the scholars are not unanimous in their view. I just posted peer reviewed published Journal references by other scholars that believe Didache 14.1 translated "Lords day" from "Lords of Lord" is a mistranslation because "Lords day" is not in the original Greek and there is no reference point to time (e.g. week) that is needed to add in the word [day]. All of references you have provided are basing their interpretation of "Lords day" from Didache 14.1 from extra biblical early Church writings written after the Didache that have no basis or support in the scriptures or the Greek and "the Lords day" is not in the Greek of Didache 14:1. As posted already these are some Scholars that have published peer reviewed papers that disagree with English translation of Didache 14.1 showing that this is a mistranslation from Lord's of Lord to "the Lords day" that has no reference point to time.

The Sabbath in Scripture and History by Professor Kenneth Strand

"The Didache, a sort of baptismal, organizational, or instructional manual, has been dated anywhere from the late first century to the late second century, but the statement in chapter 14 of interest here reads as follows: Kata kuriakin de kuriou sunaxtlumles klasale arton kai mxaristisate-''On the Lord's of the Lord or "According to the Lord's of the Lord" assemble, break bread, and bold Eucharist." The word "day" (Greek himeran, in the accusative case) does not actually appear in the text, but most translators have added it in their English translation, making the text read as follows: "On the Lord's day. . . ." Some students of the text would, however, suggest the rendition "According to the Lord's commandment . . ."-also a possible translation of the original Greek. Samuele Bacchiocchi, following a rendition of John Baptiste Thibaut and supponing it with a rather impressive line of evidence, gives a similar translation : ""'According to the sovereign doctrine of the Lord.""'

The Lord's day of Revelation 1:10 the current debate by Professor Ranko Stefanovic

Didache (known as The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) is an early instructional manual, dated from the late first century to the late second century. Most scholars today are in favor of the earlier date. The statement of interest is found in Codex Hierosolyminatanus (Codex C, or “H” in some editions), the only surviving complete Greek manuscript of the document, which reads as follows:

Didache 14:1 Κατὰ κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου συναχθέντες κλάσατε ἄρτον καὶ εὐχαριστήσατε, προεξομολογησάμενοι τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν, ὅπως καθαρὰ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν ᾐ.

Didache
14:1 Lightfoot’s translation: “On the Lord’s own day gather together and break bread and give thanks, [having first confessed your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.]”

It should be noted here that the text reads Κατὰ κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου. The substantive “day” (ημέρα in the accusative case) does not appear in the text, but rather is supplied by the translators and is rendered, “on the Lord’s day.” However, there is no textual evidence that would warrant such a reading of the text, which is an obvious stretch. Nor does the context indicate that the Lord’s day is intended. Strong evidence suggests, however, that the phrase could rather mean “according to the Lord’s teaching, . . . command, or . . . way”.

From Sabbath to Sunday by Dr Samuel Bacchiocchi

The crucial passage of Didache 14:1 translated literally reads: “On (or according to) the Lord’s of the Lord (kata kuriaken de kurios) come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure.” The expression “Lord’s of the Lord” is enigmatic and three basic solutions have been proposed to clarify its meaning: (1) J. B. Audet replaces the “Lord’s—kuriaken” by the word “day—hemeran” translating the passage: “On the day of the Lord come together.... (La Didache, Instruction des Apôtres, 1958, p. 460); (2) C. W. Dugmore argues that “since every Sunday is the Lord’s Day, the Sunday of the Lord can only mean the Sunday on which he rose from the dead, i. e., Easter-Sunday” (fn. 45, p. 276); (3) Jean Baptiste Thibaut shows persuasively that “Lord’s—kuriaken” is used as an adjective and not as a substantive and that the issue is not the time but the manner of the celebration of the Lord’s Supper: “If it was a question of time, in that case the genius of the Greek language would have simply required the use of the dative: te kuriake. The preposition kata marks here a relation of conformity. Consequently the word which is implied and to which the qualifying kuriaken applies, is not hemeran (day) but another term which can be easily supplied, namely the word didaken (doctrine) present in the title of the work.... The initial phrase of chapter 14... should be translated literally, ‘according to the sovereign doctrine of the Lord’.. .“ (La Liturgie Romaine, 1924, pp. 33-34). We subscribe to Thibaut’s interpretations for the following additional reasons: (1) Chapter 14 deals not with the question of time but with the prerequisites to accede to the Eucha- rist, namely confession of sin (14:1) and reconciliation with fellow beings (14:2); (2) the quotation from Mal. 1:10 again emphasizes not the specific time (“In every place and time”), but the manner of the sacrifice (“offer me a pure sacrifice”—14 :3); (3) the Didache contains numerous exhortations to act “according to—kata” the commandment or doctrine (1:5; 2:1; 4:13; 6:1; 11; 13:6); (4) in view of the fact that the Didachist wishes to justify his instruction with the authority of the Lord, kata with the accusative estab- lishes a relation of conformity and not of time; (5) Didache 14:1 is linked by the conjunction “and—de” to the previous chapter, which closes with the exhortation to “give according to the commandment” (13 :7).

An Analysis of “the Lord’s day” in the Didache by Greg A Howell from Professor Michael Simmons HCHT685B – Christianity in the 2nd and 3rd Centuries

"Didache 14:1. Contrary to the interpretation that the implied referent is “day” (as in “the Lord’s day”) Bacchiocchi believes that the better referent would be “teaching” or “doctrine”. He makes several arguments to support this theory; 1) the context of Chapter 14 deals not with time, but with ritualistic and doctrinal issues; 2) the Didache’s quote from Malachi 1:10 further emphasizes the manner of the sacrifice; 3) other portions of the Didache contains six different instructions which utilize the ‘according to – kata’ construction (found in 1:5; 2:1; 4:13; 6:1; 11; and 13:6) and 4) and 14:1 is linked to the previous sentence by an ‘and – de’ conjunction which allows for the omission of the word ‘teaching’ or ‘doctrine’. This, he views, is perfectly solid evidence which would then introduce the idea that the Didache’s reference was not to “the Lord’s day” meaning Sunday observance, but to “ the Lord’s commandment or doctrine” which refers specifically to the Decalogue’s proscription of the Jewish Sabbath."
No the scholars are not speculating. Speculating means making a wild guess without evidence. There is plenty of evidence the Didache was written in the 1st century. You were provided with it in my previous post. And the consensus of modern scholars agrees that it was written in the 1st century.
As posted earlier speculation is not evidence when there is no reference point to prove time in both the dating of the Didache and also to add the Greek word day as shown earlier into Didache 14:1. It is at best a guess based on speculation which is why there is such a widely agreed time of the writing of the Didache (ranging from 100 to 400 AD). That said as posted earlier it makes no difference as the Greek word to [day] is not in the Greek in Didache 14.1 as already shown in the original Greek text and once again there is no scripture that supports this man-made teaching of the early Church that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Without scripture everything else is simply a distraction from God's Word.
None of the verses you have provided say 'the Lord's day" is the sabbath. The term only appears in Rev 1:10, and that doesn't say which day it is. You are attempting to perform exegetical acrobatics by making unwarranted connections with other verses about the sabbath, forcing Rev 1:10 to say something it doesn't say. That is the fallacy of eisegesis. The proper method of bible interpretation is to use the established rules of hermeneutics which allows for historical evidence to be considered. And that shows us that the term was in widespread use at the time John wrote Revelation as a reference to Sunday, the day on which Christians met. And the overwhelming majority of scholars, commentators, and Greek translators agree.
Sorry but I do not believe you. As shown from the scriptures in the OP already....

1. The Greek word meaning of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means pertaining to the Lord or the Lords ownership of the day from Revelation 1:10

2. The scriptures prove the authority of Jesus to claim he is Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3. So in the scriptures above Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath day (not Sunday)

3. The scriptures also show the claim of Jesus and God's ownership of the Sabbath day * Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10.

The scriptures provided in all three points above, collectively as a whole demonstrate that the Sabbath as shown through scripture is "the Lord's day" as described in Revelation 1:10 as "the Lords day" that Jesus claims authority over is the Sabbath day as he is the creator of it. God and Jesus also claiming ownership of the Sabbath as their Holy day of rest made at creation. The Lord' day therefore is the Sabbath day as this is the only day in scripture that Jesus claims authority and ownership over because he is the creator of it.

On the other hand, there is definitely no scripture that links "the Lords day" to Sunday or the first day of the week. So you have posted nothing here that disagrees with what has been shared with you from the scriptures here and as posted already there is nothing from scripture that shows that Sunday is "the Lords day". Therefore at best the claim of the early Church that Sunday is "the Lords day" is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported by scripture.

Take Care.
 
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All Greek translators know that the word 'day' is often omitted in the Greek

And in order for them to supply the word [day] that is not in the Greek, they need a reference point to context and time. There is no reference point to time and context in Didache 14.1 There is no used of first in the Greek text and the literal Greek meaning is "Lords of the Lord" Your comparing apples and oranges that are not the same in meaning. As posted earlier, the problem here when discussing the mistranslation of the Didache 14.1 to "the Lord's [day]" is that when a [day] is added in by the translators in the Hebrew and the Greek there needs to be a reference point to time, used in Hebrew or Jewish culture to the naming of the days (eg. First of the week). There is no reference point to time in Didache 14.1. In the bible for example the Greek translator add the word [day] is when there is a reference to first of the "week" first of the week means first day of the week in Jewish culture (see the example of John 20:19 see original Greek context to week here). The Didache 14.1 original Greek has no reference point to time or day and no reason to add the word "day" which is not in the original Greek. This is the textual criticism shown earlier that demonstrates a mistranslation of Didache 14.1. Also you may want to consider that in Revelation 1:10 in the Koine Greek is τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" the Greek word for "day" (ἡμέρᾳ) is in the original Greek and is not supplied by the translator.

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"The whole body of Sabbatarian dogma is hung on a theological skyhook."
Amen and Amen again!!!
Actually it is called the bible Bob. Speaking of which getting back to the OP here. Do you have any scripture that supports the early Church's man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 and if you have none where is your theological skyhook?
 
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It's not the law written on stone, it's the divine law written on our hearts.

For once we agree. God's laws that He personally wrote on stone and placed in the Most Holy in His Temple is now written in our hearts in the new covenant. According to scriptures, we show our love to God when we obey, not disobey. John 14:15, 1 John 15:10, 1 John 5:3.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Maybe you can quote here where Jesus deleted the other laws of God's so there is only one commandment now. Jesus in fact stated you break the least of God's commandments and teach others to, you will be least in heaven. Matthew 5:19 Least here means lost, not in heaven by the hair of our chin. Friend, our time on this Earth is drawing near and Jesus wants us to worship Him is truth and spirit. God's laws are true Neh 9:13, Psalms 119:142, 151 and Spiritual Romans 7:14 and is how we express our love to God by obeying. God bless
 
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Do you have any scripture that supports the early Church's man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 and if you have none where is your theological skyhook?


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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What has the above got to do with the OP? - Nothing. As posted in the OP we know what the man-made teachings and traditions of the early Church were in regards to "the Lords day" from sources outside of the bible. This is not in dispute here but note neither are they the bible but mans opinion outside of the scriptures. This OP is to examine if these outside sources of the teachings and traditions of some of the early Church are supported by the scriptures or not. Have a read of the OP as it is asking for SCRIPTURE that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". Do you have any scripture to support your teachings? Lets be honest here. There is none. If there was the scriptures would have been posted by now. So what do you have to support your teachings and traditions from outside of the scriptures that are not supported within scripture? - Nothing that says that "the Lords day" is Sunday. Something to seriously pray about if breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures *James 2:10-11.

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LoveGodsWord said: Do you have any scripture that supports the early Church's man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 and if you have none where is your theological skyhook
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Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;.

Afraid not dear friend Colossians 2:16-17 does not say that the "Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week and neither do they say that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. The context of Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the meat and drink offerings and the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths (plural; genitive neuter plural) in the annual Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin if when we break them in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. You do know that there are many different kinds of annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week right depending on the yearly cycle? These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17).

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Now back to the OP topic please. Where is the scripture that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10?

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Actually it is called the bible Bob. Speaking of which getting back to the OP here
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I have always told you that your theological beliefs are based on the laws given only to the Israelites and those laws were abrogated by Jesus when He ratified the new covenant. The laws of the old covenant ceased to be LGW. Yes, you are basing your beliefs on old data.

Show us where gentile nations were ever given the laws that were only given to one nation, Israel. Watch out and duck as your skyhook is not attached to anything. Read Ex 19:5-6. I will be kind and post God's words, so that you don't have to look up the texts like you have us do.

5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

Do you have any scripture that supports the early Church's man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 and if you have none where is your theological skyhook?
Thanks for asking LGW. As you should know by now, I do not believe God has given all of mankind a special day to worship Him. Israel's laws on the subject ended at Calvary. He has given each of us the responsibility to "Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need." Matt 6:33. That does not mean that I should not find support from other believers. Great advice I have found in Jesus' new way is Heb 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. I take that advice as more of a command and join with like believers weekly. God in His mercy has given us one day every week in which most of the World's people can come apart and fortify ourselves with the truths of the Bible. I am not bound with a bunch of restrictions like the Israelites were nor are Hell threats hanging over my head if I don't abide by Is 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words. I can pick up sticks on the day I corporately worship and not be stoned for doing so.

I also take as a command Jesus word to me that His arms are open and I can rest in Him eternally.
 
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I have always told you that your theological beliefs are based on the laws given only to the Israelites and those laws were abrogated by Jesus when He ratified the new covenant. The laws of the old covenant ceased to be LGW. Yes, you are basing your beliefs on old data.

Show us where gentile nations were ever given the laws that were only given to one nation, Israel. Watch out and duck as your skyhook is not attached to anything. Read Ex 19:5-6. I will be kind and post God's words, so that you don't have to look up the texts like you have us do.

5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”


Thanks for asking LGW. As you should know by now, I do not believe God has given all of mankind a special day to worship Him. Israel's laws on the subject ended at Calvary. He has given each of us the responsibility to "Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need." Matt 6:33. That does not mean that I should not find support from other believers. Great advice I have found in Jesus' new way is Heb 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. I take that advice as more of a command and join with like believers weekly. God in His mercy has given us one day every week in which most of the World's people can come apart and fortify ourselves with the truths of the Bible. I am not bound with a bunch of restrictions like the Israelites were nor are Hell threats hanging over my head if I don't abide by Is 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words. I can pick up sticks on the day I corporately worship and not be stoned for doing so.

I also take as a command Jesus word to me that His arms are open and I can rest in Him eternally.
Sorry Bob, I do not believe you but allow me to show why from the scriptures again. According to the scriptures in the new covenant, Gods Israel are no longer those who are born in the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith in Gods Word are born of the Spirit of God *John 3:3-7; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we have not been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word then we are not a part of God's Israel according to the scriptures and have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Those who are born again according to the scriptures do not practice known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. According to the scriptures if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin (breaking God's law and not believing His Word) there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-27. Of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Sin (knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

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Back to the OP now Bob. Do you have any scripture that shows that the man-made teaching and tradition of the early Church that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

Take Care Bob.
 
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[Doesn't change what I believe at all.] (Romans 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [The truth is in the word.]
How can you try to persuade us with that out of context verse? How could you, with a straight face, present us with a verse taken out of context to bolster your belief that man is under the laws given only to Israel and ended at Calvary? 5 When we (Israelites) were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

2Cor3:6-11
6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
 
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Sorry Bob, I do not believe you but allow me to show why from the scriptures again. According to the scriptures in the new covenant, Gods Israel are no longer those who are born in the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith in Gods Word are born of the Spirit of God *John 3:3-7; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we have not been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word then we are not a part of God's Israel according to the scriptures and have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Those who are born again according to the scriptures do not practice known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. According to the scriptures if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin (breaking God's law and not believing His Word) there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-27. Of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Sin (knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

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Back to the OP now Bob. Do you have any scripture that shows that the man-made teaching and tradition of the early Church that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

Take Care Bob.
It is evident that you have not read my post LGW or you would not have asked me again to provide evidence for "keeping" Sunday. I am sick of your "sorry Bob" stuff and all your denial of the truths we present.
 
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How can you try to persuade us with that out of context verse? How could you, with a straight face, present us with a verse taken out of context to bolster your belief that man is under the laws given only to Israel and ended at Calvary? 5 When we (Israelites) were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

2Cor3:6-11
6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
[Religion loves to say they're free from the law and don't have to keep it, but in reality your freed from sin and death if Christ lives in you. Let's see what was really the culprit.] (Romans 7:12-13) 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? [This ? is for you Bob] God forbid. [And there's your answer Bob] But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;[using it as a weapon against me] that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [ The problem wasn't the law as you claim, it's holy, just, and good as God says, the problem was living in the flesh without the set-apart spirit under the control of sin. (Romans 7:14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Romans 8:10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [ I died once to sin but now I'm made alive in Christ, sin and death have no dominion over me so when you say the law is bad and God tells me it's holy, just, and good I'm going to listen to God most high over man's fabricated doctrines every single time.]
 
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Keep in mind here Jesse, that Acts of the Apostles 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living of new gentile believers. It was over the question being posed in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 which is the context of the chapter says [1], And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brothers, and said, except you be circumcised after the manner of Moses you cannot be saved. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain of then should go to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this question. So Jesse, what question did Paul and Barnabas go to Jerusalem to discuss according to the scriptures? The subject matter and the question being discussed in Jerusalem was not are Gods' 10 commandments a requirement and the standard for for Christian living but is "circumcision" a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers! The interpretation of many in regards to Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthians believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is circumcision a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2).

Now do you have any scripture that proves that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week? If not isn't this early Church tradition and teaching simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported by the scriptures? These are the questions we are really considering in this OP.

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The question settled in Acts 15 is that Gentiles are not subject to Judaic law.
Regarding the Lord's Day, the fact that the Early Church celebrates the Lord's Day as Sunday, and that it was well established in Scripture, and that the applied day was Sunday from the beginning of Christianity settles it.
If you consider it man-made teaching, that's your opinion, but Jesus told the apostles that He would sent the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth. We see this applied in the very decision made at the Council of Jerusalem, at the appointment of Mathias to replace Judas, and in the writings of Paul to Timothy and Titus. So if you see on the surface, yeah, it's men deciding how to apply Christ's teaching, but so is the entire Christian faith, including yours. How do we know this? By asking the question "Who is your authority?? Our Church was founded by Christ. There is no human, but God Himself who established the Church. Yours was founded by Ellen White. Enough said. So your doctrines are hers. Even your interpretation of Scripture is through her eyes. I'll believe the apostles who listened to Christ Himself.
 
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The question settled in Acts 15 is that Gentiles are not subject to Judaic law.
Regarding the Lord's Day, the fact that the Early Church celebrates the Lord's Day as Sunday, and that it was well established in Scripture, and that the applied day was Sunday from the beginning of Christianity settles it.
If you consider it man-made teaching, that's your opinion, but Jesus told the apostles that He would sent the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth. We see this applied in the very decision made at the Council of Jerusalem, at the appointment of Mathias to replace Judas, and in the writings of Paul to Timothy and Titus. So if you see on the surface, yeah, it's men deciding how to apply Christ's teaching, but so is the entire Christian faith, including yours. How do we know this? By asking the question "Who is your authority?? Our Church was founded by Christ. There is no human, but God Himself who established the Church. Yours was founded by Ellen White. Enough said. So your doctrines are hers. Even your interpretation of Scripture is through her eyes. I'll believe the apostles who listened to Christ Himself.
(1 Corinthians 2:13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches; but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [ That being said you have me captivted to hear this well established scripture on the church keeping sunday holy as the Lord's day, which is still the seventh day: God sanctified it, man can't change it, and God never gave you the authority to change his commandments. Man doesn't decide what righteous living is God does.]
 
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