Is adultery just a classification charged to womern?

Humble Penny · Aug 22, 2021

visionary said:
side note. Does anyone know what the bitter water consisted of?

Well according to the passage you cited the bitter water consists of three parts which need be placed in an earthen vessel:

1) Holy water
2) Dust from the Tabernacle
3) The scrapings of the paper which the curse is written on

The proper order of these things though is that when the Spirit of jealousy arises in you then you must bring your spouse before the priest.

From here you must present a tenth of an ephah or barley meal which is not to be anointed with oil or have frankincense placed on it.

From here the priest will perform the mixture of the required ingredients for the bitter water in the earthen vessel.

After reading off the curse the person suspected of adultery just either confirm or deny the accusation. Once their testimony has been taken the priest will scrape the written curse from the paper into the water and cause the accused to drink of it.

If they have been faithful then the accuser is guilty of a false accusation and sin and must be forgiven in order to be acquitted.

Torah Keeper · Aug 22, 2021

I was married and I have a son. And I am in a relationship. My personal life does not change my understanding of the Bible. If I am married, widowed, remarried, it does not suddenly change the definition of marriage.

Ad hominem attacks don't do anything to prove your point.

Humble Penny · Aug 22, 2021

visionary said:
side note. Does anyone know what the bitter water consisted of?

Humble Penny said:
Well according to the passage you cited the bitter water consists of three parts which need be placed in an earthen vessel:

1) Holy water
2) Dust from the Tabernacle
3) The scrapings of the paper which the curse is written on

The proper order of these things though is that when the Spirit of jealousy arises in you then you must bring your spouse before the priest.

From here you must present a tenth of an ephah or barley meal which is not to be anointed with oil or have frankincense placed on it.

From here the priest will perform the mixture of the required ingredients for the bitter water in the earthen vessel.

After reading off the curse the person suspected of adultery just either confirm or deny the accusation. Once their testimony has been taken the priest will scrape the written curse from the paper into the water and cause the accused to drink of it.

If they have been faithful then the accuser is guilty of a false accusation and sin and must be forgiven in order to be acquitted.

Now as regards the "dust of the Tabernacle" well it seems that since this Law was written in regards to where God decided His Name to be i.e wherever His Tabernacle or Temple was chosen to be setup: that is where you would get the dust from. Now since we don't have the physical Temple, but have been made priests of the Most High God with Yeshua as our High Priest, it would seem that you could perform this anywhere...however the only thing stopping you would be that you don't have the physical Tabernacle to go into since the Law states the priest must get the dust from inside the Tabernacle.

There is an exception to this rule as I will use the case law from 2 Chronicles 30 of king Hezekiah who prayed to God to accept his prayer on behalf of the rest of of people who were still unclean in the 14th Day of the 2nd Month to eat the Passover sacrifices though they were in an unclean state and not purified according to the sanctuary. God heard his prayer and allowed the unclean people to eat of the Passover. So, you could simply pray that God make the dust of the ground according to the dust in His holy temple in heaven.

Humble Penny · Aug 22, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
I was married and I have a son. And I am in a relationship. My personal life does not change my understanding of the Bible. If I am married, widowed, remarried, it does not suddenly change the definition of marriage.

Ad hominem attacks don't do anything to prove your point.

Calling a spade a spade is not an attack on its character, nor is making an observation on the conduct of another a personal attack. Since you know the troubles that accompany marriage and family then that should be a reminder to not let unbounded pride arise in you...still this pride accompanies all men and is something to be on guard against when knowledge increases as that causes one to be puffed up.

AbbaLove · Aug 29, 2021

visionary said:
Biblical OT is full of accounts of multiple wives and concubines like it is ok and not considered adultery. No turning to stone, banishment, or even tested with bitter waters, no stoning or even an accusation laid upon them.

King David was quilty of adultery with Bathsheba ... Exodus 20:14

GOD Elohim speaking to a pagan Canannite resulted in the following rebuke to Abraham ...

"Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, 'What have you done to us?
And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and on my
kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.'"
(Genesis 20:9)

Abraham's excuse could be that the ten commandments had not yet been written in stone, but if that were true what would David's excuse be when Bathsheba was already betrothed.

Why did GOD convey that this action was "sin" to Abimelech before first conveying it to Abraham ? Are we to assume (rightly so) that Abraham knew better (that it was wrong) ? If you know something is wrong is it not sin to go ahead to do so anyway ?

Stormy Daniels husband filed for divorce. Why didn't Melania file for divorce ?

visionary · Aug 29, 2021

AbbaLove said:
King David was quilty of adultery with Bathsheba ... Exodus 20:14

GOD Elohim speaking to a pagan Canannite resulted in the following rebuke to Abraham ...

"Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, 'What have you done to us?
And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and on my
kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.'"
(Genesis 20:9)

Abraham's excuse could be that the ten commandments had not yet been written in stone, but if that were true what would David's excuse be when Bathsheba was already betrothed.

Why did GOD convey that this action was "sin" to Abimelech before first conveying it to Abraham ? Are we to assume (rightly so) that Abraham knew better (that it was wrong) ? If you know something is wrong is it not sin to go ahead to do so anyway ?

Stormy Daniels husband filed for divorce. Why didn't Melania file for divorce ?

forgiveness covers a multitude of sins.

Hezekiah81 · Aug 29, 2021

visionary said:
Biblical OT is full of accounts of multiple wives and concubines like it is ok and not considered adultery. No turning to stone, banishment, or even tested with bitter waters, no stoning or even an accusation laid upon them.

You don't understand God's plan and He is a just God, when a woman and a man under the condemnation of the law were caught in adultery they were both put to death. You think your wisdom to be greater than God's wisdom?

visionary · Aug 29, 2021

Hezekiah81 said:
You don't understand God's plan and He is a just God, when a woman and a man under the condemnation of the law were caught in adultery they were both put to death. You think your wisdom to be greater than God's wisdom?

I am talking about recorded in scripture punshment for man committing adultery. I understand God's plan, I am asking about man's execution of it especially this one with instructions for both man and woman, especially the men, whom seem to get a pass, by claiming concubine status, king status, etc.

GedaliahMaegil · Aug 30, 2021

Hezekiah81 said:
You don't understand God's plan and He is a just God, when a woman and a man under the condemnation of the law were caught in adultery they were both put to death. You think your wisdom to be greater than God's wisdom?

Maybe you ought to mind your words ...

AbbaLove · Aug 31, 2021

Your original post conveys your faulty interpretation of adultery as only applying to women ...

visionary said:
Biblical OT is full of accounts of multiple wives and concubines like it is ok and not considered adultery. No turning to stone, banishment, or even tested with bitter waters, no stoning or even an accusation laid upon them.

My response was to correct you. GOD also holds men accountable, even King David and Abraham ...

King David was quilty of adultery with Bathsheba ... Exodus 20:14

GOD Elohim speaking to a pagan Canannite resulted in the following rebuke to Abraham ...

"Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, 'What have you done to us?
And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and on my
kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.'"
(Genesis 20:9)

Are you so blind to the fact that it's sinful man that shifts the blame for adultery on women? Then you compound your blindness with a 180 degree twist as if GOD now forgives adultery.

Just as sinful man under the OT corrupted the Word of Almighty GOD, so too sinful man (including you) has corrupted the meaning of the Word of Almighty GOD in the NT.

Your following quote is typical of the blindness of too many so-called Christains who are too quick to say, "past, persent and future sins are already forgiven" implying that they can't stop the practice of sinning going forward. Why do you and others misinterpret the Word as if to justify sin ?

visionary said:
forgiveness covers a multitude of sins.

You as with other gentile Christians take a verse like 1 Peter 4:8 or Proverbs 10:12, and twist it as if future sins will be forgiven before even committed ... such as adultery.

Like with too many Christians they misappropriate the Word of GOD to justify their sin as if it's impossible for them not to committ adultery . Using the logic of King David or Abraham to justiy their behavior that they know is wrong.

Matthew 5:27-29
You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.…

What is the matter with visionary that she is lacking in vision when it comes to the Word of GOD ?

visionary · Aug 31, 2021

AbbaLove said:
Your original post conveys your faulty interpretation of adultery as only applying to women ...

My response was to correct you. GOD also holds men accountable, even King David and Abraham ...

King David was quilty of adultery with Bathsheba ... Exodus 20:14

GOD Elohim speaking to a pagan Canannite resulted in the following rebuke to Abraham ...

"Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, 'What have you done to us?
And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and on my
kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.'"
(Genesis 20:9)

Are you so blind to the fact that it's sinful man that shifts the blame for adultery on women? Then you compound your blindness with a 180 degree twist as if GOD now forgives adultery.

Just as sinful man under the OT corrupted the Word of Almighty GOD, so too sinful man (including you) has corrupted the meaning of the Word of Almighty GOD in the NT.

Your following quote is typical of the blindness of too many so-called Christains who are too quick to say, "past, persent and future sins are already forgiven" implying that they can't stop the practice of sinning going forward. Why do you and others misinterpret the Word as if to justify sin ?

You as with other gentile Christians take a verse like 1 Peter 4:8 or Proverbs 10:12, and twist it as if future sins will be forgiven before even committed ... such as adultery.

Like with too many Christians they misappropriate the Word of GOD to justify their sin as if it's impossible for them not to committ adultery . Using the logic of King David or Abraham to justiy their behavior that they know is wrong.

Matthew 5:27-29
You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.…

What is the matter with visionary that she is lacking in vision when it comes to the Word of GOD ?

And here I was leaning towards indications that men were treated differently by the then society that they lived in regarding adultery. God is straight forward in this regard. Man makes allowances for tradition or culture.

Personally slamming me .. is another matter. Apology accepted.

visionary · Aug 31, 2021

I agan present the idea that back in the biblical days, the charges of adultery only fell on the heads of women, even if the men were blatant in their excess abuse, use of women as collaterals.

Humble Penny · Sep 3, 2021

visionary said:
I agan present the idea that back in the biblical days, the charges of adultery only fell on the heads of women, even if the men were blatant in their excess abuse, use of women as collaterals.

Well sister...there are some problems with this as God showed that whatever we as men and women failed to properly judge, He always made sure everyone got what they deserved. Also when you look at the earliest examples of multiple wives there was no indication of tyranny or abuse going on. But from a big picture perspective I believe the larger question you're asking:

"Why does God allow men to have multiple wives, and not allow the same privilege to women?"

Not sure anyone could tell you the exact reason for that....what I can say for sure is that it is not right to get upset at something that God clearly allows...I believe it is good to not forget that Adam and Eve both ate of the fruit...so neither men nor women are innocent in the matter of adultery whether the laws were faithfully executed by men or not. I've known and heard stories of plenty of women who commit adultery to get revenge...only to end up falling in love with the person they commit adultery with and what happens to the family? Destroyed...

If we look at this issue holistically we can see that outside of countries in the Middle East, there are virtually no laws which punish adultery or fornication, and instead we advocate for shows like Grey's Anatomy and other such nonsense. Yes we have Moses but, lip service is only paid to it.

It sounds like something very personal going on in your life sister and I would advise to leave the revenge up to God...because with the way the world is going...I don't see anything changing for the better or anyone gathering to actually execute the WHOLE Law of Moses.

visionary · Sep 3, 2021

nope my life is fine.. subject is not personal.

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