Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

DaDaBrothers said:

Ok so, I got rid of this idea that "nobody is perfect" which is just a lie from the devil. We all know the Lord Jesus Christ is perfect, so is the Father, and so is every saint who has been born of God (cannot sin).

I understand death is a point in time, the crucifying of the old man with Christ is a point in time, not a line (days,months,years,...) and after this point, no more serving darkness, never sin again, serve only God.

Brothers and sisters those who say they are cappable of sin are not to be trusted, they just admited they are cappable of lying, even if they don't want to, they could be lying.

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What does the Bible say? Let God be true and every man a liar. All that matters is what the Bible teaches. I am not speaking my own words. I took my time and very carefully explained why he is wrong. I encourage you to go back and read my last few posts.

We should strive to be sinless. I don't want you to sin, and I think you should fight not to sin. But sin is more than just blatant disobedience. Sin is anything that falls short of equality with Jesus Christ. And no man is like the thrice Holy Son of God - not on this side of heaven. And anyone claiming they are is a barefaced liar.

"1 John 4:17 - he again takes a verse completely out of context. In many places, Jesus said that we are the light of the world. In that respect, we are like Him in this world. But... letting scripture interpret scripture, we know that it certainly does NOT mean that we are already made perfectly like Christ. Because that day is yet to come."


Sams attempt now, is to try ( vainly) to undo all the verses that show how we are to be perfect, because no verses say we can be imperfectly presented to Christ.

Sam says the day is yet to come, and somehow he thinks 1 John 4:17 confirms that for him.

Then begin before that chapter, 1 John 2:5, shows, to keep the word of the Lord shows Gods love, and when Gods love is shown, it is perfected in him.

1 John 4:12, shows, if, and when we love one another, this is when, and only, when God dwells in us, and when God dwells in us, His love comes only one way, it is perfected in us( complete if you like, it makes no difference)...


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.



1 John 4:15-17, continues, we call on the name of the Lord, confessing ( not denying Christ in any evil works Sam cant avoid yet) and then God dwells in us, and we in God ( remember all one made perfect TOGETHER)

God is love, and when we dwell in God ( made perfect as our master) we dwell in love ( as God is love, in us) this is the love made perfect/complete ( complete/perfect in all the will of God) and we also know, complete is no different to perfect, as both are in harmony below in Colossians 4:12, as we know as Christ was in the world doing all perfect in the light, we too are the SAME....


Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.



"It is the hope that purifies us. As it is written, Abram believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness. Genesis 15:6"


The world does not know, and it does not appear for them, but we know when Jesus does appear for anyone, we see Him as He is, that is why the ones who have not purified by this hope, need to be ( as He is) pure, as He is pure.

The ones who transgress( the world who doe not see Him as He is/not purified as He is pure) the law, commit sin..


1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



This is explained for you and your friends Sam, how the Jews( and many "Christians") now are blinded ( unable to see Him) but the vail is done away in Christ, when you turn to the Lord you can, SEE, this of course makes sense now, to be in the light as He is in the light, when we are no longer in darkness( the works of darkness/the devil, and now we can SEE Christ)

Now with open face we are changed INTO THE SAME IMAGE, of the glory of the Lord, by the Spirit of the Lord..



2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


How interesting that Sam, uses all scriptures in an attempt to be backwards towards the truth.

Jesus did come and completed all on earth ( the antichrist denies Christ in the flesh on earth/fulfilling all for us)

We understood before Christ, as a child, but Christ came and gave us the understanding, to put away the mistakes of a child's incomplete understanding, as Galatians 3, did show, faith( perfect faith in Christ) came, and we are no longer (children) under a school master ( the law was not faith and was imperfect/made nobody perfect but the new way did by which we draw nigh to God)..


Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


We do SEE the testimony right ? That the perfect new way of Christ, replacing the imperfect, draws us near to God, ( to know even as we are known) and then, draw near to God you double minded sinners, purify your hearts, cleanse your hands( sam and friends here and in all the world)..


Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.




Sam: "Lastly, Romans 7 is NOT referring to life before becoming a Christian. Notice the last verse,

Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:25"



Notice the last verse Sam, it says, who shall deliver me from the body ( flesh) of this death ?

But, all you need to do is recognize that the answer was higher in the beginning of the chapter.

When we were in the flesh( the body of this death) we worked to bring forth fruit to death.

But now we, ARE DELIVERED, that being dead wherein we were held( in the body of this death/ the flesh) that we serve in newness of Spirit ( and life) AND NOT, in the oldness of the letter, ( the flesh) for the the kills, ( the flesh in the law) but the Spirit ( of life in Christ/dead in the flesh) gives life..



Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



The law of the Spirit of life in Christ( delivers us from the body of this death/the flesh we were in)

Now free from the law( the letter) of sin and death ( now in the perfect, it has come and we SEE)

Now all is condemned/.finished, and the righteousness of the law is FULFILLED IN US..

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



"And of course, again, we have the words of 1 John (notice the CONTEXT - notice the PRECEDING VERSE - this referring to the present Christian walk, not before): but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:7-8"


Walking in darkness is not in the light as Christ, the works of darkness are destroyed.

Read it or don't, until you awake, and cast off all darkness works,( of the devil) you have not put on light, that is not honest, it is in drunkenness, strife and envy, so pout on Christ to no more make provision for your flesh ( Sam and all friends of this whole world)



Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.




Does a prophet who rebukes the deceivers, be a false one or a true one ?


The name is only Prophecy.

Here is the meaning:


Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

DaDaBrothers, that was well said.

Don't worry, have patience, trust in the Lord ( not man or ourselves) and God answers all for us. I am glad you took the correction well, now you impress me ( give me hope in you to meet a fellow believer in righteousness) and be very careful now, as the devil will now,make war with those who keep the commandments of God, which is those who have the testimony of Jesus, remember...


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Sam: " But sin is more than just blatant disobedience. Sin is anything that falls short of equality with Jesus Christ."


Sams careful words, which are not his own words?

OK, well here we answer again, for Sam blaspheming against Gods word/in denial/unable to confess truly. ( as DaDabrothers did a confession)

All are unprofitable servants, they do no good, as the evil tree can only do evil works, they lie with their tongues, use deceit ( many deceivers predicted turning Gods grace into sin and fulfilled in them)

They curse inside, but bless with their mouth. They do not bridle their tongue, and their religion is vain.

The way of peace they know not, no fear of God before their eyes.

God heals our ways, by giving peace so we make no war with anyone, being settled and contented. But the wicked are troubled, thy cannot rest( endlessly contradicting Gods word/ deceiving others for years on the forums) there is no peace to the wicked ( doer).

They have eyes full of sin ( not plucked eyes out) they cannot cease from sin, as hey are the unstable souls ( troubled souls) with coveting practices, and they wrest against the words that are hard for them to understand, as they do none of them, and a good understanding have all they who DO HIS COMMANDS..


Isaiah 57:18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.
19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Psalm 62:4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.



Now, see the change. All have fallen short of the glory of God, and the reasons and their ways are told for us.

Sam considers sin is all that falls short of that glory with Christ..


Sam: "Sin is anything that falls short of equality with Jesus Christ"




Yes, sin is all the evil men did, but were CALLED, JUSTIFIED, GLORIFIED..


Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Part1.

The literal stripes of the Lord Jesus, are what heals us. ( belief in this in our hearts)

We, as sheep, turned to our own ways ( of disobedience/pride and evil lives when free from God, and the devil (subtle serpent) influencing and leading man astray ( understood in the garden and causing our death by hearing any word that resists Gods word)

The Lord then took our Shepherd, ( the great Shepherd of the sheep) and laid on Him, the iniquity of us all.

For our transgressions, He was struck, and was placed among the wicked in His death, but had no deceit in His mouth, but it pleased the Lord to put Him ( our Shepherd and our Lord and God) as an offering of His soul for sin, to see His seed( all in Christ) to prolong his days ( eternal life/replacing death by sinning) the pain in His soul, freed the knowledge of the righteous servant ( the Lord God and our Shepherd of our souls) to justify us, by bearing our iniquities, this is the pleasure of the Lord prospering in us after..



Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.



Through the blood of the everlasting covenant ( the blood of our Shepherd, gives us the writing, in His precious blood that speaks, in writing the new everlasting/ eternal life, covenant ,in His sheep that went their own ways)

Making us perfect, in every good work which is His will being done, God now working in us, what pleases Him ( through Christ and the pleasure of the Lord prospers in His hand/good and not iniquity at all)..


Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.



Christ suffered for us, giving us His example, to follow the steps, no guile in His mouth, did not return evil for evil, but good, and bore our sins in His own body, on the tree, and we are the same, dead to sins, living unto righteousness, (His stripes healed us) and no longer sheep going astray( every one to their own evil ways/devil guided) now returned to the Shepherd of our souls 9 His soul was offered for our ways of iniquity/ transgressions)



1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.



Jesus judged this world, ( He is God, the everlasting Father Isaiah 9:6) and Jesus cast out the prince of this world ( as Jesus is the Prince of peace and light excels darkness Ecclesiastes 2:13)

Jesus lifted up from the earth ( in the death of the cross) draws all men up to Him ( up to Heaven)

The people dispute with Jesus, in mans earthly wisdom, that the Messiah should abide forever, Jesus replies to them, the light was with them for a little while longer, then darkness comes, and when they have darkness they cannot see where they are going. They needed to believe in the light, to be children of light..



John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

John 12:34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.




The Lord broke His own body then for us, ( not to be broken again and always while we live, as the many who work iniquity as told)

Through the broken body of the Lord, we show the Lords death, and without judging ourselves, to know we must now be worthy of the Lords broken body for us, we eat and drink that bread and cup, unworthily, which brings illness and death to many. The chastening/correction of the Lord is what keeps us from the condemnation the world is then in..




1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.




Then comes the same steps for the Holy Apostles, of the Holy Lord God ( the deceivers try to show darkness in them, but fail as they are in darkness as self professed/works of darkness, sin occasionally )

Then we see this chastening, the Apostles are troubled, persecuted, cast down, always bearing in their body the dying of the Lord Jesus, as this alone manifests the life of the Lord Jesus in their body. ( the deceiver again says this is done by being a sinner, but confessing it)



2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.



But our outward man perishes, in affliction, to receive glory, and remembering that Jesus lifts up all men to Him, they no longer look on anything here on earth, but on the things not seen ( by others) the eternal, which is not by sinning/iniquity, but by righteousness of where the Lord is ( when in us too)



2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.





Jesus suffered death, to be crowned with glory, by tasting death for every man.

Glory came to God believing in Gods testimonies, of believing on God who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ( He is life and it was not possible that He can be held in death Acts 2:24)

Jesus delivered for our offences, was raised again for our justification ( believing in the pains He suffered gives man a conscience to not make Him suffer again in our actions, putting Him to an open shame in us and treading Him under our feet, crucifying Him afresh again Hebrews 6:6, Hebrews 10:29) then we are justified, living/ believing justly..




Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Romans 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Part2.

Adams cause of death, by offence to God, reigned to death, now life reigns by Jesus Christ, by the righteousness of Christ we receive that justification of life, by His obedience ( no longer followers of complete disobedience in no conscience) for us to be made righteous ( doers not hearers only) and as sin reigned to death for all in Adam/first man of the earth, the second man is the Lord from Heaven ( in us one together) which is grace reigning through righteousness ( the work God did to die/.rise for us, not words only) which is unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord..

(1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.)



Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.



They know not, but, being baptized into Jesus Christ is done only through being baptized into His death, this is the newness of life, a new planting, first planted in the death, then another in His resurrection, the old man and old body of sin destroyed ( To destroy him that had the power of death, that He might destroy the works of the devil, that through belief are cast off, Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8 Romans 13:12)




Being dead with Christ, then enables us to believe we shall also live with Him, we then know ( believe) that Christ raised from the dead, dies no more, dominion does not continue ( remember it could no, He could not b held in death) we also follow that hearts belief, to be dead INDEED, to sin, and alive to God. Even as Jesus answered the disputers of the devil, their committing sin is their serving of sin, ( as is anyone's) but their problem is, that those servants and servers of sins, die, but the Son ( now server of sin abides ever ( only righteousness remains) and the Son makes us free, to be free INDEED, but they have no place in them for His word. The word is, we die once, then the judgment, and Christ was offered to bear the sins of many, and to the ones who look, they look for Him without sin which is to salvation ( looking in sin, is to damnation)..




John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.


Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.




The word of faith, which is the preaching, believing in the heart that God raised Christ our Lord ( and God/everlasting Father, without father, without mother, Hebrews 7:3) from the dead, and with that heart man believes unto the righteousness which speaks that we then shall never be ashamed...



Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.




Then the Lord saves those who call on Him in truth, needing to hear to believe, needing ears to hear with to hear, but not all believed the Gospel ( the preaching) as not all obeyed, so faith comes by that hearing, hearing the word of God( His word having place in them/escaping the devil) ..



Psalm 145:18 The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.


Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



Then simple testimony, we are complete in Him, circumcised by the circumcision of Christ ( of the Spirit which is truth) which is putting off the body f the sins, of the flesh, the baptism that is the rising with Him, and our circumcision of our flesh, are then quickened together with Him, forgiving all tresspasses, taking the accusations against us, by His accusations nailed n His cross, overcoming all those powers ( the sin of the devil in death) openly showing triumph ( for us to believe in) over them..


Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.




Circumcisions counts, if we keep the law, breaking the law, makes them uncircumcised.

The uncircumcised keeps the righteousness of the law ( not a breaker or no difference) to make him be circumcision.

Fulfilling the law, judges the breaker of the law, by transgressing the law ( the law of Christ in us is that new covenant in the precious spotless blood of Christ to believe in, in a good conscience, not to destroy in an evil one)..



Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?



Now all is made manifest, our Saviour appeared and abolished death ( destroyed him who had the power over death destroy the works of the devil in man) bringing life and immortality to light ( the darkness is past) through the Gospel...


2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

DaDaBrothers, the best advice I can give you, is to pick up the Bible and read it yourself. And get into a good church somewhere - a church that preaches against sin and holds the Bible up as the ultimate authority.

Notice, not once have I told you to sin. Not once would I ever tell you that it is okay to sin. Yet he has repeatedly called me a deceiver and a liar, because I say that our flesh remains fallen until the day we are given our glorified bodies, which is the TRUTH. Yes, the Bible commands us to live holy. But God has made a provision for our sin, as long as we are in Christ, and are striving with all our heart. He gives us a new nature and gives us the strength to do it, but the flesh will always be weak as long as we are in this world.

People like this guy who calls himself a prophet is not trying to help you. He is trying to lift himself up and is on some bizarre spiritual trip. He would probably tell you not to go to church. What kind of a man calls himself a prophet and only types in a pseudo-spiritual style? He sees himself as something very special, whereas I see myself as nothing.

Read the Bible and see for yourself. Get a new, literal translation of the Bible, like an ESV or an NASB and read. Don't take my word for it.

I promise you, "Prophecy UK" is NOT a reflection of Jesus Christ. Only in his own vain imagination.

Remember the Word of God:

But if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:7-8

Notice, it doesn't say, "cleanses us from all past sins". Also, "we" is talking about the CHURCH, not unbelievers. Yes, the Bible tells us in places to be holy and perfect. Because that is God's standard. The Bible would never say, "if you sin, that is okay". And neither would a true Christian. Notice again, I am not saying, "go sin, it is okay". I am agreeing with God's Word that you should live holy and strive for perfection. But if you do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 2:2

There, we see John clearly says, "our sins", and makes a distinction between "our sins" and the sins of the whole world.

But of course, he will respond with an inferior translation, taking verses completely out of context and casting them in a heretical light in order to puff himself up further. After all, he is the "Prophet", he is "the sinless holy one", who comes on this forum to write more scripture and shine as a bright light.

He came onto the forum, but because he was light, the darkness comprehended him not. But to the ones who comprehended him, to them he showed the way, even as he was shown the way, to the glory of God, in the spirit of Prophesy, even as it was written, unto that which makes perfect, amen.

In his dreams, that is.

A truly perfect man would not claim to be perfect, because that is pride, a sin. Jesus never once claimed to be perfect. But of course, He was perfect.

I am sorry, but any man who says that he is perfect instantly loses all credibility. In his mind he thinks himself wise, but is nothing but a fool.

Sam: "He gives us a new nature and gives us the strength to do it, but the flesh will always be weak as long as we are in this world."



Sam seems to cover his ears, every time an explanation is presented.

Why be so uncivilized, to begin your own ideas, that the flesh makes us weak, and not talk further on the matter, just because it dos not suit him ?


Taking your own words Sam,, " the flesh always weak) and then we read and are witnessed, there is a changing and ending of the commandment for weakness, because that first commandment/covenant/law, made nothing/nobody perfect, but Christ brought in the better hope, which did, and how we draw nigh to God then..


Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


You are not so ignorant to refuse to see that this is continued here, how the law was weak through the flesh ( WAS) but the righteousness of the law is fulfilled n us, not walking after the flesh ( the law of Christ/written in us is NOT WEAK)..

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Sam, none of your words exist in the bible, in any translation, of us still being weak, that is invented by you only. The change from weak to fulfilled, is testified, no other testimony is given.




"Notice, it doesn't say, "cleanses us from all past sins". Also, "we" is talking about the CHURCH, not unbelievers."


Notice, it says this, " set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS THAT ARE PAST"


That is for the ones who fell short of Gods glory, to be weak as is Sams version, or to be in Christs version, of called, justified, glorified, as told below too, being justified by His grace..

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;



Sam: "But of course, he will respond with an inferior translation, taking verses completely out of context and casting them in a heretical light "


If things were taken completely out of context, it would have been easy for Sam to show it, but Sam showed not one yet, Sam also said he would not bother any more also. Sam however, was corrected on every single thing he tried on. The translation, Sam also tried o correct in original Greek, that was rebuffed on him also. Lastly, heretical for Sam, is to not do evil to your neighbour, I cant imagine what else wold upset the heretics.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

DaDaBrothers said:

Sam : "you should live holy and strive for perfection."

You keep using the word "strive", you don't see it as achievable, but instead as a continuous attempt and hope. To me it looks like you don't believe it possible, you think you cannot reach perfection while on the flesh, "not on this side of heaven" as you have stated, you have even rejected the Apostles as Holy, this is because you don't believe Christ was risen from the dead.
You don't believe God could take the chief of sinners and make a saint out of him. You don't believe in the new man that God created for you in true Holiness.
When Jesus said: "Go, and sin no more." You don't believe she could actually go and live Holy for the rest of her life. Why not?
Because your assumption is that as long as we are still in the flesh we have to serve sin, because we are still in the flesh.

Sam: "the flesh will always be weak as long as we are in this world"

You don't think you can live Holy in the flesh, at least you believe Jesus lived Holy in the flesh, and we are to follow His example Sam, because we can, ok?

God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Yes Sam you are able to escape from any and every temptation that might come your way.
Have a strong mind after the things of the Spirit, resit the devil, walk in the light, as He is the Light and in Him there is no darkness at all.
No darkness at all, only pure saints in Him, because it is possible to live Holy.

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Stop twisting my words. And I most certainly do believe that Jesus is risen from the dead. He saved me from my sins and from the condemnation that I dealt with for 20 years. My testimony is in my introduction thread - you are free to read it.

Nowhere have I said it is acceptable for a Christian to sin. And anyone who claims I have or that I intend to deceive is bearing false witness. I have only said that the Christian life will always be marked by a continual striving against sin. But God knows those who belong to Him, who it is that hates sin and strives against it in all forms, and those who make excuses in order to justify the sin they love.

And if you are gullible enough to believe any man who calls himself "Prophet" and claims himself to be every bit as holy as Jesus Christ, then only God can help you. He has deceived himself, and now he has deceived you.

How many times do I have to explain this? Yes, we can, and should, live our lives free of blatant sin. We should always resist the temptation to sin. And we will, if we walk in the spirit. But there are other shortcomings that we must continue to strive against. Pride, anger, lust, etc. To even have a single ugly thought enter your mind is also sin. We must constantly do battle against our flesh, until the day we are given our glorified bodies.

The "Prophet" does not have his glorified body. And you know what else? He doesn't go to church. He believes that every single church is corrupt, and only himself correct. He is a sanctimonious, self-loving liar. I don't know this for sure, but I would also bet he does not have a job. He is probably receiving some kind of government assistance. Not that this is wrong, but it is telling for someone claiming to be perfect.

prophecy_uk said:

Sam: "Paul was not perfect:

Not that I have already grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers and sisters, I do not regard myself as having taken hold of it yet; Philippians 3:12

And as has already been pointed out numerous times, the Bible tells us that any who claims to be without sin is a liar and is not practicing the truth."




Your idea of Paul not able to do the things he would, has been rebuked/corrected, it is your lack of understanding which has been thoroughly shown...

Evil is present, is your belief Sam, but the belief you do not follow is the other word, that Christ has delivered us from this present evil world, so evil is no longer present with us/within us...


Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:





Neither did you manage to show Peter as sinning, again it is your ignorance which remains, as Peters was address by God for all the Jews, regarding the Holy Spirit then given to the Gentiles, so they could be made of one new man together.



Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Apostle Paul did all perfectly, as all scriptures example, none example Paul to do imperfectly.







Sam: " I long to be perfect, even as Christ is perfect. The Christian life is one of continual repentance. As we delve into the Word of God, the light of Truth shines upon us, revealing more and more imperfection - from which we are to flee"



False made up words as always. We are not taught mans deceitful words, that we see our imperfections as light shines more.


Here is what we ARE testified by God,


To be perfect, is to have treasure in Heaven, the beginning of that is seen in all of the Apostles who sold and gave away all they had, it is the beginning step.

Next, to be the children of God, is to do more than the sinners( who are not children of God but of the devil) to love your enemies and not only do what is easy for men to do( including self love sinning to satisfy their lusts) this is testified to be perfect as God is perfect ( doing for the ungrateful and evil as well)..


Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.




Another light ( not revealing your imperfections but shining the way to what perfection is) is to be as Christ to be perfect, which is as testified, Christ the Son in us and the Father in Him, and made one perfectly together..



Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.




These words are hidden from natural man who cant acknowledge them, can only contradict, and blaspheme them,so I explain them for you, speaking among those who are perfect, against their foolish empty wisdom of this world, how that which was perfect came ( Christ) and His strength was seen as perfect in weakness, and that same informities and perfection in weakness is seen in us..




1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.



So, be perfect is a commandment, being of one mind of Christ ( made perfect in one) this is coming in the unity of the faith, to believe in being that perfect man which is Christ, unto His knowledge, and Paul says he is not perfect, but as many as be perfect are thus minded ( they let God speak for them)..


2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.



All men are taught and warned, they can only be presented perfect, that is to be in Christ Jesus ( theere is no being in Him without it) as that is putting on Christ, which is putting on charity, the bond of perfectness or you put nothing on, and charity never fails but endures all and seeks not her own ever..

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Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.




Then we stand, when we stand perfect, which is complete, which is then in the will of God ( in sanctification)

ll these verses you resist, are to instruct man in righteousness, to be perfect, furnished to all good works means none evil ones..




Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.




Before the law, nothing was made perfect, and what hypocrisy to think the new living way in Christ makes nothing changed from that to now be made perfect.

The law never made the comers perfect..

One offering of Christ, by Christ, makes the sanctified perfected, or they are not sanctified.

Those without the new covenant, are still not made perfect, if you say you are that way, you are without too.

But the spirits of the just men are now instead, made perfect..




Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.




So, patiently enduring ( as charity endures and fails not and is that bond of perfectness we must put on which is Christ) then patience has her perfect work in us, for us o be perfect and want for nothing, being entire/complete in all the will of God.

This is the sufferings of Christ in us, as His strength is made perfect in our weaknesses and infirmities which is Christ then resting on us.

Our love is not imperfect, it is made perfect, Gods love is perfected in us, not imperfected, and last of all, if your works are not found perfect before God, this is the rebuke for you..




James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

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Do you say you have no sin?

Proverbs 10:19 "In the multitude of words there lacks not sin"

This is a teaching, for all the ones who teach in the name of the Lord here, but will they appreciate anything that is taught to them ?





Abraham received the promises from God for us all, God blessed Abraham and God was blessed, ass it is significant that God here, delivered Abraham's enemies into his hands...




Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.



Melchisedec, made perfection in the change of the law ( the law for us) and that High Priest became us, holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners..



Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;


That same thought and blessing, is told in 1 Samuel, how by strength no man prevails ( our enemies prevail not, man is saved by the Lord the Lord again as with Abraham's blessing, out of Heaven the Lord breaks the adversaries to pieces..



1 Samuel 2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
10 The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the Lord shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.



Back onto the Abraham account ( as that is the same promises for life that we are given)

We are saved from our enemies ( as Abraham was delivered) from all that hate us ( the devil and his wicked) and when we are delivered out of their hands, we serve God without fear, in holiness and righteousness before Him.


Giving the knowledge for salvation and the remission of sins, is that knowledge ( out of darkness to light) guiding us to the way of peace when we see.

No fear is when our enemies are defeated by God for us, to be made perfect in love ( in righteousness and holiness before Him)..




1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Luke 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.




All the life of man, we needed to be delivered from the fear of death ( this is our enemy) but as told above, we being delivered from that enemy, then serve God without this fear. This is our enemy the devil destroyed, which kept us from holiness, righteousness and perfect love of God in us..



Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.



The power of the enemy, then no longer hurts the man that believes, and the enemy that sowed his own wicked ones, is the devil, to be our adversaries..




Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.


Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.




This is why it is so much irony, the devils wicked servants, are so subtle, and their only interest is being that enemy of all righteousness, only in mischief, to fight against all the righteousness of Christ, by being teachers of unrighteousness ( subtily)..


Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?



Then, who is our adversary, that seeks to deliver us to death, and that prison of death ? It cant be anyone else but our enemy the devil, and it is the devil, and anyone it is in, who speaks reproachfully of the Lord...



Matthew 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.



Look and see the description of the devil, our adversary, as a lion, seeking to devour the ones in the faith of Christ.

The wicked, bless the covetous, who the Lord hates.

This wicked one, puffs at all his enemies ( the Christian is his enemy to destroy the faith)

His tongue is mischief and vanity is that mischief ( so we do not be doers but hearers only)

He lies in wait, as that lion, against the innocent, the poor ( in spirit) he humbles himself to catch you by his strong ( deceiving) ones..


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.
7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
8 He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.
9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.
10 He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.




Sin is what they discuss and allow, you wont see any enemy of righteousness against all unrighteousness, as these are the adversaries which shall be devoured, the friends of the wold that are the enemies of God..



Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.




All know out of the mouth of babes God perfected praise. But now we also know, this is what stops the enemy ( of us and of God)

Gods hand, through Christ, found out all His enemies ( remember they hated Him without a cause) then Christ destroys them from the earth, their seed among men gone (remember the enemy that sowed his wicked seed is the devil destroyed) because they intended to destroy Christ, but were unable to perform as He cannot be held in death( but that death destroyed the devil and his seed from among us)..



Psalm 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

Psalm 21:7 For the king trusteth in the Lord, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.
8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.
9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
10 Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.
11 For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.

Psalm 40:14 Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.





This is the many workers of inequity, Jesus witnessed, are not known by Him, only few are saved.

They are these false teachers, who speak peace, but mischief is all that is in their hearts..



Psalm 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.


Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.



All there was, was none doing good, instead trusting in vanity, speaking lies as they through the devils all mischief, conceive mischief and bring forth that inqiuity.

That has not gone away, those times have come around again, now they speak great swelling words of vanity, only seeking advantage for themselves..



Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalm 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. 2 Peter 2:18.




Remembering and so aware that it is the devil, that is all all mischief, we see how the counselors of Israel gave their devised m mischief, and then how the kings hearts as in Daniel 11, shall be for mischief, which is the devil and is also the leaders of this world deceiving all by their lies they speak ( false teachers of Christ to deceive the whole world, wolves among the flock)



Ezekiel 11:2 Then said he unto me, Son of man, these are the men that devise mischief, and give wicked counsel in this city:
3 Which say, It is not near; let us build houses: this city is the caldron, and we be the flesh.

Daniel 11:27 And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.



The counsellors took counsel against the Lord, ( they devise mischief) giving wicked counsel) and against His anointed 9 against Christ) and they took counsel together against Him, but the Son ( of God) was delivered from the hand of His ( and our) enemies, from those persecutors..

Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.


Psalm 31:13 For I have heard the slander of many: fear was on every side: while they took counsel together against me, they devised to take away my life.
14 But I trusted in thee, O Lord: I said, Thou art my God.
15 My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me.



Christ is delivered from the enemies ( not the enemies way of speaking of deliverance but by reigning in Heaven for us/ crucified in weakness but He and we living by the power of God then)

The adversaries are then separated, they are the merciless, they are the disputers, they are of their father the devil, all the enemy together, who resist, persecute, and blaspheme the name of God..



Psalm 69:18 Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: deliver me because of mine enemies.
19 Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: mine adversaries are all before thee.
20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.

John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.




The enemy does not reproach forever, blaspheming Gods Holy name, but the devil in all the world now, blasphemes against God, until the enemies are made as the footstool, and Christ ruled among the enemies, victorious over them triumphing over them openly, which disappoints the adversary and leaves them a short time to make war against the victory of Christ, the enemy still trying to make us have the sting of sin ( in the law broken/weak) and death....



Psalm 74:10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

Psalm 110: 1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.



Christ came out of Bethlehem, even the enemy Herod found that out, the ruler came to Israel, and His hand lifted up against the enemies, and all were cut off( this is the war in Heaven where Michael prevails against the enemy that deceived the whole world)..


Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:9 Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Sam: "who it is that hates sin and strives against it in all forms, and those who make excuses in order to justify the sin they love."



Sam is saying he hates the sin he does, and that others love the sin they do. Why is that a difference when the doing is the same outcome, if both did adultery on somebody, why would you think it is excusable, because you didn't love what you did ?


But that is why, those who do adultery lack understanding, whether they loved it, or falsely as Sam thinks, they hated it, both outcomes destroy your soul..


Proverbs 6:32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.




That is knowing the judgement of the Lord ( mans judgement is lies and nonsense at best) and is ridiculed on the earth, as they hate the good, and is why they do the evil..



Micah 3:1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;





Sam: "But there are other shortcomings that we must continue to strive against. Pride, anger, lust, etc. To even have a single ugly thought enter your mind is also sin. We must constantly do battle against our flesh, until the day we are given our glorified bodies."



There is the "but" from the politician Sam.


Lust, is when the flesh is against mans spirit, but if we be led of the Spirit of God, we can do the things we would then ( as under the law they were not able to do what they would and evil to say the new covenant is no different at all)..


Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



The new covenant is plain, a NEW SPIRIT IS GIVEN( we remember that is the old man destroyed)...


Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:



Here are the ones who happen to be many in the world, who all strive and fail, who are in hypocrisy to say we are saved by grace, an cant know that grace is to give us strength, and striving and failing, is them without grace.

In time past, they walked according to this world, as that is the spirit in them, working in those children of disobedience..


Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


They are the adulterers( without understanding) friends of the world( working with the spirit of the prince of this world in them, as cant have two spirits and cant have two masters in you)

They remain the enemy of God, the spirit in them is what lusts to envy, but the devil needs to not be made into subjection as they invent, but to flee, this is the grace of God ( not in vain then and not turned into their lasciviousness/lust) and not their unclean sinning double minds, which never were purified ( Christ is more pure than that so they never purified themselves)...


James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.



Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


Sam is a subtle deceiver, who stopped engaging in the discussion, as he has not a word to say/reply on, otherwise could show how saying, stop sinning altogether, is turning the grace of God into heresy, but it is what Sam does, as told.






What worth is the wicked, who says vanity, nonsense, and sin, is it not better Gods word that exhorts us away from deception, to a Higher place, where there is none of their darkness, hypocrisy, contradiction and blasphemy...


Proverbs 10:19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Sam: "The "Prophet" does not have his glorified body"



1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.



Challenge for Sam( and friends whose doctrine says we are not in a glorified body yet)


Can they show even one verse out of 1 Corinthians 15:42-49, to be of future tense and not a glorified body yet, or they cannot, as the scriptures show this is present tense to believe in Christ?


One by one, lets see.



The resurrection of the dead, to be raised in incorruption.


Being born again, ( is raised from the dead we were in) of incorruptible seed by the word of God living forever..



1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.




Sown in dishonour, but risen in glory( a glorified/glory bringing body to God) it is raised in power.

We are weak in Him, but He lives by the power of God, we live with Him by the same power of God towards one another..




1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:


2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.




The natural body was sown ( what was sown in weakness in us) but we are raised a spiritual body.

The natural( bodied) man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, they are Spiritually discerned when the Spirit is in us( for our body to then be Spirit)..



1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.





The last Adam ( the Lord from Heaven in us) is the quickening spirit, we are quickened together with Christ, from being dead in trespasses and sins ( natural body and natural man)..



1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;



First is not spiritual, but afterward is spiritual, first is natural( natural man and natural body).

But we are not in he flesh, but in the Spirit, when the Spirit of God dwells in us...



1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.





Then the first man ( in no glorified/giving glory to God body at all) is of the earth, earthy, it is the second man that is the Lord from Heaven.

The wisdom that is earthly, is devilish, not from above, and when we are joined to the Lord ( now) we are ONE SPIRIT, cant be two spirits in man................................




1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.




Adam of the earth, and all in Adam died. Those of the Heavenly, in Christ ( now to give glory/glorified, and glorified body) shall be ( now) made alive..


1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.




We had thew image of the earthy ( Adam in whom all died) now we bear the image of the Heavenly, which is putting on the new man, renewed in knowledge in the image of Him that created him ( in the image of God/glorified body and image as God swells in us in Holiness not unholiness for His dwelling or him God destroys, 1 Corinthians 3:17.)..


1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Again I say, any one who claims to be a Christian but does not go to church and would teach that all churches are corrupt is a liar. I discern that this man clearly believes he alone practices truth, and that God has made him a prophet and a teacher to "restore" the truth. He himself admits that he believes he is in a glorified body. If I am wrong, let him correct me, and state his belief concerning modern churches and whether he alone is the end times "Prophet".

And he continually bears false witness against me, stating that I am okay with sin. I constantly preach against sin and testify to the power of the Holy Spirit to free us from sin. But I also know that we must continue to battle the flesh by the power of God until the day we become like Christ. We are not yet glorified. We can still get sick. We still die. And if we do not stay in prayer and watch carefully, we can still fall into sin. Our adversary is not yet vanquished, but still seeks to destroy us.

Sam Saved by Grace said:

Again I say, any one who claims to be a Christian but does not go to church and would teach that all churches are corrupt is a liar. I discern that this man clearly believes he alone practices truth, and that God has made him a prophet and a teacher to "restore" the truth. He himself admits that he believes he is in a glorified body. If I am wrong, let him correct me, and state his belief concerning modern churches and whether he alone is the end times "Prophet".

And he continually bears false witness against me, stating that I am okay with sin. I constantly preach against sin and testify to the power of the Holy Spirit to free us from sin. But I also know that we must continue to battle the flesh by the power of God until the day we become like Christ. We are not yet glorified. We can still get sick. We still die. And if we do not stay in prayer and watch carefully, we can still fall into sin. Our adversary is not yet vanquished, but still seeks to destroy us.

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Agreed. He uses Scripture, and preaches, by the authority of confirmation bias and self-important superiority of cause.

DaDaBrothers said:

Sam the bible doesn't say :"He who goes to church shalt be saved."
We know from the word there will be a "great falling away" from the faith, the word is apostasy. It's not unbiblical, the Church is the body of Christ anyways, the saints are the Church (pure), not some building somewhere (corrupted).
And Prophets are biblical too, they speak truth, and get killed for it.
Because people like you, who just start accusing the man when you get rebuked and run out of arguments.
You started by denying all Holiness but that of Christ, that Christ is the only One Holy in the flesh.
He is the only one Holy from start to finish, he condemned death in the flesh, so he can destroy sin, and He did it for us, to deliver us from evil, to free us from Egypt the house of slavery, free us from sin, so that we too could be like Him (no darkness at all)
This is what I meant when I said you don't believe in Christ risen from the dead. The new man creates in true Holiness, because you don't believe you could be without sin.
And I showed you how you could with a strong mind resist every temptation, but you stayed in your weak flesh.
It has been answered, Yes, it's not only possible not sin, but "By the mercies of God" it is our "reasonable service".

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

The only way we can become Holy is thanks to Jesus, the words are "destroy" sin, "purify/cleanse us from all unrighteousness". This is how you can claim you are pure, cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
What shall we do then? Go back in the mud ?
God forbid if anyone sins again after this, I don't care if your flesh is weak, if you want a glorified body, If you say you didn't want to, I don't want to hear any excuses, im sorry.
You have just been made freed from sin to serve God, and sin doesn't have any more dominion over you, if anyone goes back in the mud it's they're own fault.

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Are you, too, like prophecy_uk, without sin? What do you do with 1 John 1? Ignore the part, like prophecy_uk, that says you do not the truth, and you make God out to be a liar? Is your claim to be without sin?

In their warped imagination, saying that our sin nature will persist until rapture is tantamount to unbelief. They ignore all the Bible verses that show that we are in a continual war and claim themselves to be without sin. Yes, we are without sin because Jesus Christ took away our sins, but we still battle sin and will until the day we become like Christ.

In their minds, they are already as Holy as Jesus Christ. This means they are proud, self-deceived liars.