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Depends on the context.
One idea is that God treats man differently according to the "dispensation" he is currently in.

The "Dispensation of Grace" would be the current one.
There was a "dispensation of the law", a pre-law dispensation.
There is a millennial dispensation coming.

THere is hot debate on this... most Christians hold to some sort of dispensational concept, even if they do not call it such.

Been a long time since I studied on the subject.

There is also a series of books written in the early part of the last centruy by a man named Clarence Larkin. One was a lap book called Dispensational Truth. He was famous for the charts and diagrams found in his books. You can still get these books online.
http://www.larkinestate.com/
Very interesting and fun to study. He was one of the first strong proponents of the rapture theory and he has whole books and chapters devoted to the topic. I remember getting the collection back in the seventies.

Here is a teaser:
http://members.citynet.net/morton/charts.htm
 
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Today at 09:10 AM Gideon4God said this in Post #3

Thx Hobart.
Hi G4G!
Tried tp PM this... did not seem to work.
You wrote:
Gideon4God wrote on Today 04:48 PM:
Do you believe in the dispensationalism of Scofield and Larkin?  I agree it is fun to study...

I find it is fasinating and a lot of fun to study. I think it helps you in that it frames all the main parts of the Bible into components that can be studied and remembered. Dake of Dakes Annotated Reference Bible also bases his entire Bible on this concept. I recommend it to you if you really want to study it. Dakes also wrote a book entitled "God's Plan for Man" which draws it out quite well.
http://www.ministryhelps.com/Catalog/Dake/DakeProducts.htm

I have been pouring over the charts on the site you posted.  Very interesting.  Is Larkins dispensationalism wide spread?  Do many believe in it?  Do you believe in it?  What are some of the holes in dispensationalism? 
I agree with parts of it. Some people hold that God has always dealt with man exactly the same at all times in history, and so naturally they would not like this teaching. But I really find it interesting. If you are a young Christian and want to study the Bible as a whole, I reccomend getting Some of this material and becomming familiar with it. You come out of it with a very wide angle view of the relaitionship between man and God. I am a visual type person so the charts really appeal to me.

In my early Christian life I dedicated many hours and late nights to the study of this and like material.
I would say do it!
your brother in Jesus
 
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27th March 2003 at 11:22 PM hobart schmedly said this in Post #4


Hi G4G!
Tried tp PM this... did not seem to work.
You wrote:


I find it is fasinating and a lot of fun to study. I think it helps you in that it frames all the main parts of the Bible into components that can be studied and remembered. Dake of Dakes Annotated Reference Bible also bases his entire Bible on this concept. I recommend it to you if you really want to study it. Dakes also wrote a book entitled "God's Plan for Man" which draws it out quite well.
http://www.ministryhelps.com/Catalog/Dake/DakeProducts.htm

I have been pouring over the charts on the site you posted.  Very interesting.  Is Larkins dispensationalism wide spread?  Do many believe in it?  Do you believe in it?  What are some of the holes in dispensationalism? 
I agree with parts of it. Some people hold that God has always dealt with man exactly the same at all times in history, and so naturally they would not like this teaching. But I really find it interesting. If you are a young Christian and want to study the Bible as a whole, I reccomend getting Some of this material and becomming familiar with it. You come out of it with a very wide angle view of the relaitionship between man and God. I am a visual type person so the charts really appeal to me.

In my early Christian life I dedicated many hours and late nights to the study of this and like material.
I would say do it!
your brother in Jesus

Also keep in mind that there are different types of Dispensationalism as it has evolved. The originator was John N Darby who was with the Plymouth Brethren, next in line was CI Scofield who popularized the system with his reference Bible, Lewis Sperry Chafer studied under him and he started what is today Dallas Theological Seminary, then came HA Ironside. Larkin was around in this period as well. The system went through a lot of changes in the 50's and 60's and is reffered to as Revised Dispensationalism. In the last 15-20 years a new form has come up that is reffered to as Progressive Dispensationalism which seems to becoming the predominant view.

So you have Classic, Revised (or Normative) and Progressive (which is where I lean toward these days)

Most people while not aware of the system are very familiar with the eschalogical part of it as has been popularized with the 'Left Behind' series and the pre tribulation rapture. Progressive Dispensationalism usually leans Post Trib. 

Revised or Normative Dispensationalism is distinguished by three principles:

1 - A clear distinction between God's program for Israel and God's program for the Church.
2 - A consistent and regular use of a literal principle of interpretation
3 - The understanding of the purpose of God as His own glory rather than the salvation of mankind.



Progressive Dispensationalism sees the various dispensations as 'progressing' the overall unfolding plan of salvation in history. Christ made the New Covenant with a believing remnant (as it had been throughout Israels history). The New Covenant has allowed the Gentiles to be grafted in in place of unbelieving Israel so that we can partake of the spiritual blessings as well and believing Israel will still get what they were promised in the Millennieum. The Church is made up of the believing remnant of Jews and Gentiles, so your left with unbelieving Jews, unbelieving Gentiles and the Church of God.

Here's a good site: www.lasttrumpet.com
 
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31st March 2003 at 01:38 PM TWells said this in Post #5


Most people while not aware of the system are very familiar with the eschalogical part of it as has been popularized with the 'Left Behind' series and the pre tribulation rapture. Progressive Dispensationalism usually leans Post Trib.



In my early Christian days I was definately pre-trib... mainly because that is all that was offered. As time went by I discovered the scripture and am now post. But the early dispensational views were all pretrib. This is true about Dakes and Larkin also.
As with anything... read it with prayer and salt.
 
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2nd April 2003 at 09:51 PM TWells said this in Post #8 Looking at the Olivet Discourse in Matt Ch. 24 where do you think it indicates the Rapture should take place??

Don't take Matthew 24 in isolation, but line up Mark 13 and Luke 21 beside it. The Rapture takes place between verse 14 and 15 of Matt. 24.  The *end* can't come until the saints are *snatched up* and the abomination of desolation* can't be set up until the Divine Restrainer is moved out of the way. *There shall not an hair of your head perish* (Lk. 21:18) tells us that the saints are not subjected wrath but to obtain salvation. Some believe this means a pre-wrath rapture, but that does not fit with 2 Thess 2. The world will be subjected to *strong delusion* in the first half of the tribultion, and this too is a judgement (wrath) of God on unbelievers.
 
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Hey Ezra :wave:

4th April 2003 at 05:54 AM Ezra said this in Post #11 <http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=761825>
Don't take Matthew 24 in isolation, but line up Mark 13 and Luke 21 beside it.
Agreed.

4th April 2003 at 05:54 AM Ezra said this in Post #11 <http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=761825>
The Rapture takes place between verse 14 and 15 of Matt. 24. The *end* can't come until the saints are *snatched up* and the abomination of desolation* can't be set up until the Divine Restrainer is moved out of the way.

Matt 24:14-15:"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, [whoso readeth, let him understand:]"

I dont understand where you get a rapture in between these two verses, Christ is stating very plainly and simply that the last of the birth pangs is Gospel having been preached to all the nations "THEN the end shall come" He's obvioulsy not referring to the rapture as he goes on to explain the 'end' beginning with the Abomination of Desolation in the temple. Your also assuming that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit which I believe the evidence is against. I never understood why the Restrainer if its the Holy Spirit is removed before the tribulation to simply be sent right back again at the beginning of the tribulation so the tribulation saints can believe.
4th April 2003 at 05:54 AM Ezra said this in Post #11 <http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=761825>
*There shall not an hair of your head perish* (Lk. 21:18) tells us that the saints are not subjected wrath but to obtain salvation. Some believe this means a pre-wrath rapture, but that does not fit with 2 Thess 2. The world will be subjected to *strong delusion* in the first half of the tribultion, and this too is a judgement (wrath) of God on unbelievers.

"There shall not a hair on your head perish" There is nothing in the verse to indicate a rapture at all, its a proverbial expression used in the Old and New Testaments. In context our Lord is speaking about how "ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death." and "ye shall be hated of all men for my name`s sake." Then in verse 18 "There shall not a hair of your head perish" because no matter what they do to us physically they cant hurt us spiritually.

I dont believe either that God will subject his followers to his wrath either. The triblulation is for unbelievers, followers of Antichrist etc. But that doesnt mean he's going to remove everyone of them from the earth. (and make the elect that come after endure it) When the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD the unbelieving majority of the Jews suffered Gods wrath, the Christians left the city beforehand, historians believe that hardly any Christians died in the war. Why werent the Christians raptured before 70 AD? Was that not Gods wrath, or could be that God can deliver his people in times of need like he did with Noah during the flood. He didnt rapture them nor did he rapture Lott and his family during the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He just told them to leave the city, much like how the Christians in 70 AD heeded Christs warning and left Jerusalem. When Gods wrath was put on the Egyptians before the exodous, God protected his people then and he will during the tribulation. Matt 24:22 states that "and except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened."
 
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