Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

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"Lightning" in the context of Jesus' words about the Second Coming means a vivid visible historical event in this world. Lightning is the event itself, "thunder" is the message of this event, the "voice of thunder" is the interpretation of this event. The entrance of the elect into the Eastern Gate of the Third Temple, built in Israel in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, is certainly a striking event that will be broadcast around the world, by all news agencies.
You and I view endtimes completely different. We would need to go through the whole end time process to see the vergence and divergence of the two.

Briefly though, I will say that Yeshua moved the temple services to heaven and before His Father in the Heavenly Courts. He has been our mediator there since and will continue until the end of the great Yom Kippur. At which time He will change robes from priest to king and return for His people.

There is no indication Ezekiel's temple will be built before the end of the thousand year rest.
 
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I don't understand why your translation of Daniel says "he". There is no "he" there, just "one week will confirm the covenant". The week itself will establish the covenant. There is no "he" there.
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And he shall confirm the covenant ...
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And he shall make a firm covenant ...
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And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant ...
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And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant ...
BRG
And he shall confirm the covenant ...
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He will make a firm covenant ...
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For one week, he will make a strong covenant ...
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He will make a strong covenant ...
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And he shall confirm a covenant ..
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And he shall confirm the covenant ...
EHV
He will confirm a covenant ..
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And he shall make a strong covenant..
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And he shall make a strong covenant...
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And he shall confirm the covenant ...

It is figuring out who is "he" If it is as I presented then it is Yeshua during the one year ministry. One year old and without blemish

If it is of the devil then it is a futuristic prophecy yet to be fulfilled.
 
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And he shall confirm the covenant ...
ASV
And he shall make a firm covenant ...
AMP
And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant ...
AMPC
And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant ...
BRG
And he shall confirm the covenant ...
CSB
He will make a firm covenant ...
CEB
For one week, he will make a strong covenant ...
CJB
He will make a strong covenant ...
DARBY
And he shall confirm a covenant ..
DRA
And he shall confirm the covenant ...
EHV
He will confirm a covenant ..
ESV
And he shall make a strong covenant..
ESVUK
And he shall make a strong covenant...
GNV
And he shall confirm the covenant ...

It is figuring out who is "he" If it is as I presented then it is Yeshua during the one year ministry. One year old and without blemish

If it is of the devil then it is a futuristic prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

Yep. The "he" is definitely in there:

וְהִגְבִּיר בְּרִית לָרַבִּים, שָׁבוּעַ אֶחָד; וַחֲצִי הַשָּׁבוּעַ יַשְׁבִּית זֶבַח וּמִנְחָה, וְעַל כְּנַף שִׁקּוּצִים מְשֹׁמֵם, וְעַד-כָּלָה וְנֶחֱרָצָה, תִּתַּךְ עַל-שֹׁמֵם.

Then again, this shouldn't be an argument to begin with. According to the SOP, those who aren't Messianic shouldn't be teaching or arguing in this section of the forums, anyway. *sigh* Don't the rules get enforced any longer ... ?
 
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Then again, this shouldn't be an argument to begin with. According to the SOP, those who aren't Messianic shouldn't be teaching or arguing in this section of the forums, anyway. *sigh* Don't the rules get enforced any longer ... ?
Apparently this "Acting architect" that's associated with the "Russian Federation" and a "non-denominational" may indeed be deceived.

Since the beginning of this thread the OP was IMO suspect as a provocateur (loose cannon). He comes across as someone who lacks understanding of the Word, being confused by the enemy as well as his few confused followers.

Now going on 18 pages continuing with non-Messianic teaching that is not supported with scripture (His Word).
 
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Ezekiel was written after the first Temple, but BEFORE the second. It is a blueprint for the SECOND Temple. The Israelites were told to build it according to the plans in Ezekiel. It is possible Ezekiel also describes a third Temple, but don't discount the fact that the Book was literally the design for the second Temple.
 
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Ezekiel was written after the first Temple, but BEFORE the second. It is a blueprint for the SECOND Temple. The Israelites were told to build it according to the plans in Ezekiel. It is possible Ezekiel also describes a third Temple, but don't discount the fact that the Book was literally the design for the second Temple.
A design for the Second Temple? So why don't the descriptions of it in the historical sources match the dimensions of Ezekiel? And why don't we read of this being fulfilled by Solomon, Ezra, Nehemiah, or Zerubbabel? Revelation makes it clear that The Lamb will be The Temple in the new heaven and earth: therefore we know this isn't Ezekiel's Temple.

This only leaves it being a candidate for the Third Temple or the Millenial Temple. Since Ezekiel plainly says that The Prince i.e. The Messiah Yeshua will go in and out of it then we know this isn't the Third Temple built by the Anti-Christ...so by process of elimination this means Ezekiel's Temple = Millenial Temple.
 
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Eziekiel's Temple(actually YHWH's Temple), was supposed to be built according to the plans he recieved from YHWH. That is why YHWH told Ezekiel to show the plans to the people and command them to build it.

However, there were setbacks, delays, and design flaws. The Israelites basically cut corners without obeying YHWH accurately.

Look at it in the proper historical timeframe. The Temple was destroyed. Ezekiel shows the people the plans for the new Temple he received from God. The people built what they built.

Ezekiel was what the Temple was supposed to be.

I do agree it is not the 3rd temple. The Millenial Temple may match the plans in Ezekiel, but it could be much much larger, considering the number of people who will visit during the Millenium.
 
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Eziekiel's Temple(actually YHWH's Temple), was supposed to be built according to the plans he recieved from YHWH. That is why YHWH told Ezekiel to show the plans to the people and command them to build it.

However, there were setbacks, delays, and design flaws. The Israelites basically cut corners without obeying YHWH accurately.

Look at it in the proper historical timeframe. The Temple was destroyed. Ezekiel shows the people the plans for the new Temple he received from God. The people built what they built.

Ezekiel was what the Temple was supposed to be.

I do agree it is not the 3rd temple. The Millenial Temple may match the plans in Ezekiel, but it could be much much larger, considering the number of people who will visit during the Millenium.
Well I don't buy the fact that the Israelites cut corners for God would've brought the hammer down on them for that. And as zealous as Ezra and Nehemiah were for the rebuilding...I wouldn't expect them to cut corners...I mean Ezra literally slapped the men who had married the forbidden women in the Law of Moses and even pulled out some of their hair...and Nehemiah was ready to kill, and he even threatened to beat the foreign merchants if they hung around the city gates while it was the Sabbath Day.
 
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It wasn't Ezra and Nehemiah. The Temple took 46 years to build. They were probably dead by then. Read Ezekiel again. Especially when Yahweh said to show them the pattern.

So if Ezekiel showed them his Book and said "Build this", because Yahweh said so, did they build it exactly like the Book?
 
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It wasn't Ezra and Nehemiah. The Temple took 46 years to build. They were probably dead by then. Read Ezekiel again. Especially when Yahweh said to show them the pattern.

So if Ezekiel showed them his Book and said "Build this", because Yahweh said so, did they build it exactly like the Book?
No, the didn't build it...just read the description of chapter 46 and you will see that this is the Temple the Prince i.e. The Messiah is supposed to walk through...and this Temple is said to have its gates shut six working days and opened on the seventh day (e.g. Saturday). And the 46 Year reference you cited is about Herod making additions to the existing temple...it did not take Ezra and Nehemiah 46 Years to build, for we read:

"King Darius then issued an order, and they searched in the archives stored in the treasury at Babylon. A scroll was found in the citadel of Ecbatana in the province of Media, and this was written on it: Memorandum: In the first year of King Cyrus, the king issued a decree concerning the temple of God in Jerusalem: Let the temple be rebuilt as a place to present sacrifices, and let its foundations be laid. It is to be sixty cubits high and sixty cubits wide, with three courses of large stones and one of timbers. The costs are to be paid by the royal treasury. Also, the gold and silver articles of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took from the temple in Jerusalem and brought to Babylon, are to be returned to their places in the temple in Jerusalem; they are to be deposited in the house of God. Now then, Tattenai, governor of Trans-Euphrates, and Shethar-Bozenai and you other officials of that province, stay away from there. Do not interfere with the work on this temple of God. Let the governor of the Jews and the Jewish elders rebuild this house of God on its site. Moreover, I hereby decree what you are to do for these elders of the Jews in the construction of this house of God: Their expenses are to be fully paid out of the royal treasury, from the revenues of Trans-Euphrates, so that the work will not stop. Whatever is needed—young bulls, rams, male lambs for burnt offerings to the God of heaven, and wheat, salt, wine and olive oil, as requested by the priests in Jerusalem—must be given them daily without fail, so that they may offer sacrifices pleasing to the God of heaven and pray for the well-being of the king and his sons. Furthermore, I decree that if anyone defies this edict, a beam is to be pulled from their house and they are to be impaled on it. And for this crime their house is to be made a pile of rubble. May God, who has caused his Name to dwell there, overthrow any king or people who lifts a hand to change this decree or to destroy this temple in Jerusalem. I Darius have decreed it. Let it be carried out with diligence. Then, because of the decree King Darius had sent, Tattenai, governor of Trans-Euphrates, and Shethar-Bozenai and their associates carried it out with diligence. So the elders of the Jews continued to build and prosper under the preaching of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah, a descendant of Iddo. They finished building the temple according to the command of the God of Israel and the decrees of Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes, kings of Persia. The temple was completed on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius."
Ezra 6:1‭-‬15

So we see the foundation was laid in the 1st Year of Darius while it's completion was in his 6th Year...and Solomon built his in 7 Years.
 
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"So we see the foundation was laid in the 1st Year of Darius"
No we don't see that. I think you meant Cyrus.

In the first year of King Cyrus, the king issued a decree concerning the temple of God in Jerusalem:

They finished building the temple according to the command of the God of Israel and the decrees of Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes

The temple was completed on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius."

Looks to me like the first year of Cyrus, was when it started. So from the first year of Cyrus, until the 6th year of Darius. How long was that? And remember Artaxerxes reign too.

Herod didn't build the Temple. And Herod didn't take 46 years to add some additions.
 
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And there were 3 kings named Darius. Darius I conquered Babylon. Cyrus seems to have ruled next. Temple construction began. Then Artaxerxes ruled. Then Darius II ruled after Artaxerxes. Temple construction was completed. Ahaserus probably ruled next. Lastly Darius III ruled. He was defeated by Alexander.
 
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"So we see the foundation was laid in the 1st Year of Darius"
No we don't see that. I think you meant Cyrus.

In the first year of King Cyrus, the king issued a decree concerning the temple of God in Jerusalem:

They finished building the temple according to the command of the God of Israel and the decrees of Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes

The temple was completed on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius."

Looks to me like the first year of Cyrus, was when it started. So from the first year of Cyrus, until the 6th year of Darius. How long was that? And remember Artaxerxes reign too.

Herod didn't build the Temple. And Herod didn't take 46 years to add some additions.
I see you're still in he bad habit of nitpicking and twisting my words...oh well...anyways my point with what I wrote in post #350 is that the Second Temple only took 6 Years to build as oppposed to your proposed 46 Years. Now these things I already covered in detail on my blog, but for the sake of brevity and showing my work from Cyrus the Great to Darius the Great is 119 Years/17 Weeks: therefore the Second Temple would've been completed 118 Years/16 Weeks 6 Years. For the passage I cited in post #350 indicates that this was the Darius II who ruled after Artexerxes whose rule Ezra and Nehemiah appeared.

Now when we look at the birth of Christ this took place in the 16th Year of Herod which is 0 BC/1 AD; and this is true as in the 18th Year of Herod he commanded all male children 2 Years and under to be killed: this would make our Lord Jesus 2 Years Old. When we take the statement of 46 Years in building the Temple to correspond with 30 AD and count backwards we arrive at -16 BC which corresponds to the 18th Year of Herod's reign in the 26th Year of Augustus Caesar. And to solidify this futher Phlegon in his Olympiads dates the solar eclipse and the earthquake during the death of Christ on the cross to have occured in the 202nd Olympiad; and seeing that Augustus began his reign in the 184th Olympiad:

1 Olympiad = 4 Years
202 Olympiads - 184 Olympiads = 18 Olympiads
18 Olympiads x 4 Years = 72 Years

...this places the beginning of Octavian's reign at -42 BC and he ruled for 57 Years...

This can only mean that Herod began construction on the Temple in the 44th Year of Augustus Caesar...we see that the gospel writers...especially Luke knew what they were talking about...and understanding this would clear up the supposed discrepancy between Luke 2 and Matthew 2.

But if you disagree with this then please show your work.

And there were 3 kings named Darius. Darius I conquered Babylon. Cyrus seems to have ruled next. Temple construction began. Then Artaxerxes ruled. Then Darius II ruled after Artaxerxes. Temple construction was completed. Ahaserus probably ruled next. Lastly Darius III ruled. He was defeated by Alexander.
Who you call Darius I is actually the Mede--not a Persian--who conqured Babylon after killing Belshazzar, and this fact is clearly stated by Daniel.
 
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"Who you call Darius I is actually the Mede--not a Persian--who conqured Babylon after killing Belshazzar, and this fact is clearly stated by Daniel."

Yes I know that. I never said he was Persian.

So you are saying that from Cyrus' decree to Darius II was 119 years? Let's see....
C. 586 BC- Babylon conquered Jerusalem. 70 years later according to Daniel, Cyrus gave a decree to rebuild the Temple. That's 516 BC. Now you say from here to Darius II is 119 years. That's 397 BC. Then you say it took 6 years to build. So that's 391 BC. Is that what you came up with?

By the way, how is it possible Cyrus and Artaxerxes ruled 119 years? Did they rule 59 and 60 years each? That is an extremely long time to rule considering that Cyrus was probably already at least middle aged when Darius I began to rule. So Cyrus would likely be old by the time he started his rule. Not saying it is impossible, it just seems like it is too long.

And you are saying that after Cyrus gave the decree to rebuild the Temple, nobody started building it until 119 years later?

As for Herod, I am not even sure where to start picking apart your mistakes. You seem to think Herod was building a Temple until 30 AD. Herod died when Yeshua was a young child, probably about 3 AD. Luke 2:19-21. And he ordered to kill the children 2 years and younger. So Christ was under 2 years. 2 years and UNDER was to be sure. It did not mean Christ was exactly 2 years old.

Since Herod died when Christ was a young child, there is no way he spent 46 years building anything. He didn't even rule 46 years.

Read Ezra chapters 1-3, especially Ezra 3:10. According to Ezra, a whole bunch of people went to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple in the first year of Cyrus, including Nehemiah and Mordecai. 42,360 people, excluding servants.

In the 2nd month of the 2nd year, they began to build. And the foundation was laid. Ezra 3:8-12.

Then some bad guys interrupted the work, and it did not resume until the 2nd year of Darius II.(Ezra 4:24). But you said the construction did not even begin until the 1st year of Darius II.

All right. I think that is enough for now. You really need to just start over on your chronology. I am noticing error after error the more we discuss it.
 
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"Who you call Darius I is actually the Mede--not a Persian--who conqured Babylon after killing Belshazzar, and this fact is clearly stated by Daniel."

Yes I know that. I never said he was Persian.

So you are saying that from Cyrus' decree to Darius II was 119 years? Let's see....
C. 586 BC- Babylon conquered Jerusalem. 70 years later according to Daniel, Cyrus gave a decree to rebuild the Temple. That's 516 BC. Now you say from here to Darius II is 119 years. That's 397 BC. Then you say it took 6 years to build. So that's 391 BC. Is that what you came up with?
Well actually my work corrects the traditional dates by marking 30 AD as the death of Christ therefore 483 Years/69 Weeks prior brings us to -453 BC which is the 1st Year of Cyrus the Great and corresponds to 5017 AM according to the Hebrew reckoning and 81.25 Olympiads/1st Year 82nd Olympiad according to the Greek reckoning and A.U.C. 297 according to the Romans.

Seeing that the official sources tell us that Alxander of Macedon began his rule in the 111th Olympiad...

Alexander the Great to Cyrus the Great
111 Olympiads x 4 Years = 444 Years
81.25 Olympiads = 325 Years


444 Years - 325 Years = 119 Years

Since Scripture only informs us of only four Persian kings...

119 Years/4 Persian Kings = 29.75 Years or 29 Years 9 Months

Now this calculation only gives us the number of years to be shared between these four since we don't know all of the other kings who ruled separately or jointly. Darius II would rule for the last 7 Years. According to Scripture their order is as follows:

1) Cyrus
2) Darius I
3) Artaxerxes
4) Darius II


Regardless the numbers and the order of their reigns make it clear that whatever other kings would have begun to reign in Media or Persia would've occured in this time span, and their reigns would have overlapped. And again the Scriptures make it very clear that the temple wasn't completed during the reign of the first three Persian kings so what are we left to conlcude? Daniel is informed during the reign Cyrus that there will be three more Persian kings who will rise up after him, and this aligns exactly with what we read from Ezra's account.

By the way, how is it possible Cyrus and Artaxerxes ruled 119 years? Did they rule 59 and 60 years each? That is an extremely long time to rule considering that Cyrus was probably already at least middle aged when Darius I began to rule. So Cyrus would likely be old by the time he started his rule. Not saying it is impossible, it just seems like it is too long.
See my response above this one...you assume that I concluded that...

And you are saying that after Cyrus gave the decree to rebuild the Temple, nobody started building it until 119 years later?
Remember that while they started with Cyrus they were delayed for many years through their opponents who bribed the kings officials to halt their construction efforts. And seeing that we dont hear of the government postions of Ezra and Nehemiah until Artexerxes we may conclude that they returned from exile as youths, so it is not improbable to believe that they attained the years of Moses...afterall men in those days were built diferently than our men today.

As for Herod, I am not even sure where to start picking apart your mistakes. You seem to think Herod was building a Temple until 30 AD. Herod died when Yeshua was a young child, probably about 3 AD. Luke 2:19-21. And he ordered to kill the children 2 years and younger. So Christ was under 2 years. 2 years and UNDER was to be sure. It did not mean Christ was exactly 2 years old.

Since Herod died when Christ was a young child, there is no way he spent 46 years building anything. He didn't even rule 46 years.
Here again you assume way too much of what I didn't say. Herod began construction in his 18th Year...it would be his descendants that would continue on the work. In post #350 I made typo stating it was the 1st Year of Herods reign, which should have been the 18th Year of his reign...otherwise the numbers add up..

Herod to Birth of Christ
18th Year + 16 Years = 34 Years

Birth of Christ to Slaying of Infants
34 Years + 2 Years = 36 Years

As you can see clearly Herod the Great would've been involved in the first 16 Years of the remodeling construction of the Second Temple. As for the specific number which Herod chose indicates that Christ was no older than 2 Years Old otherwise Herod wouldn't have asked the magi and the elders for the exact timing of the appearance of the Star and the place of Christ's birth.

Otherwise your explanation makes Herod's decision seem random and arbitrary. Let's not forget that Herod was a shrewd politican and bit of a paranoid tyrant, thereore he would be ruthless in rooting out any competition to his power. Therefore his inquiries and decision makes it clear that he concluded that Christ's age would fall between 0-2 Years Old...and such exact calculations make it apparent that 2 Years had passed from the birth of Christ...otherwise you cannot have Christ be born in Herod's 18th Year and still coincide with the census of Quirinus by Augustus Caesar...it just doesn't add up.

Read Ezra chapters 1-3, especially Ezra 3:10. According to Ezra, a whole bunch of people went to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple in the first year of Cyrus, including Nehemiah and Mordecai. 42,360 people, excluding servants.

In the 2nd month of the 2nd year, they began to build. And the foundation was laid. Ezra 3:8-12

Then some bad guys interrupted the work, and it did not resume until the 2nd year of Darius II.(Ezra 4:24). But you said the construction did not even begin until the 1st year of Darius II.
If you read the book of Ezra carefully you'll see that while it contains the official copies of the decrees of the persian kings the whole account is not written in precise chronological order. You citing Ezra 3 contadicts what you said about the foundation not being laid again by the Jews. Also that same passage is the construction beginning in the 2nd Year of Darius I not Darius II.

All right. I think that is enough for now. You really need to just start over on your chronology. I am noticing error after error the more we discuss it.
No...I believe you're reading too hastily and assuming way too much when you make your conclusions.
 
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"Who you call Darius I is actually the Mede--not a Persian--who conqured Babylon after killing Belshazzar, and this fact is clearly stated by Daniel."

Yes I know that. I never said he was Persian.

So you are saying that from Cyrus' decree to Darius II was 119 years? Let's see....
C. 586 BC- Babylon conquered Jerusalem. 70 years later according to Daniel, Cyrus gave a decree to rebuild the Temple. That's 516 BC. Now you say from here to Darius II is 119 years. That's 397 BC. Then you say it took 6 years to build. So that's 391 BC. Is that what you came up with?

By the way, how is it possible Cyrus and Artaxerxes ruled 119 years? Did they rule 59 and 60 years each? That is an extremely long time to rule considering that Cyrus was probably already at least middle aged when Darius I began to rule. So Cyrus would likely be old by the time he started his rule. Not saying it is impossible, it just seems like it is too long.

And you are saying that after Cyrus gave the decree to rebuild the Temple, nobody started building it until 119 years later?

As for Herod, I am not even sure where to start picking apart your mistakes. You seem to think Herod was building a Temple until 30 AD. Herod died when Yeshua was a young child, probably about 3 AD. Luke 2:19-21. And he ordered to kill the children 2 years and younger. So Christ was under 2 years. 2 years and UNDER was to be sure. It did not mean Christ was exactly 2 years old.

Since Herod died when Christ was a young child, there is no way he spent 46 years building anything. He didn't even rule 46 years.

Read Ezra chapters 1-3, especially Ezra 3:10. According to Ezra, a whole bunch of people went to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple in the first year of Cyrus, including Nehemiah and Mordecai. 42,360 people, excluding servants.

In the 2nd month of the 2nd year, they began to build. And the foundation was laid. Ezra 3:8-12.

Then some bad guys interrupted the work, and it did not resume until the 2nd year of Darius II.(Ezra 4:24). But you said the construction did not even begin until the 1st year of Darius II.

All right. I think that is enough for now. You really need to just start over on your chronology. I am noticing error after error the more we discuss it.
In addition to what I said in post #355 keep in mind that this is a discussion on why Ezekiel's Temple hasnt been built yet...if you really have a problem with what I am saying in regards to chronology then please create you own thread and show your work.
 
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Ok I see why you are making mistakes. You are starting with Greek and Roman dates and trying to stuff the Bible into it. As if the Greek olympiad dates overrule the Bible. You have to start with the Bible first.

You said:
" 453 BC which is the 1st Year of Cyrus the Great "

Say what? So you think the 70 years of exile started in 523 BC?

You said:
" According to Scripture their order is as follows:

1) Cyrus
2) Darius I
3) Artaxerxes
4) Darius II

"
In my Bible, Daniel said Darius the Median was the first to rule. Not Cyrus. Where are you getting your information from? Read the Bible. And you forgot Ahasuerus.

Daniel 5:30-31 " In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.
And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old."

Then you said " If you read the book of Ezra carefully..."

Do I have to quote the whole first 3 chapters of Ezra because you refuse to admit you might possibly be wrong?

1In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing:

2“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. 3Whoever is among you of all his people, may his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and rebuild the house of the LORD, the God of Israel—he is the God who is in Jerusalem. 4And let each survivor, in whatever place he sojourns, be assisted by the men of his place with silver and gold, with goods and with beasts, besides freewill offerings for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.”

5Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the LORD that is in Jerusalem. 6And all who were about them aided them with vessels of silver, with gold, with goods, with beasts, and with costly wares, besides all that was freely offered. 7Cyrus the king also brought out the vessels of the house of the LORD that Nebuchadnezzar had carried away from Jerusalem and placed in the house of his gods. 8Cyrus king of Persia brought these out in the charge of Mithredath the treasurer, who counted them out to Sheshbazzar the prince of Judah. 9And this was the number of them: 30 basins of gold, 1,000 basins of silver, 29 censers, 1030 bowls of gold, 410 bowls of silver, and 1,000 other vessels; 11all the vessels of gold and of silver were 5,400. All these did Sheshbazzar bring up, when the exiles were brought up from Babylonia to Jerusalem.

1Now these were the people of the province who came up out of the captivity of those exiles whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried captive to Babylonia. They returned to Jerusalem and Judah, each to his own town. 2They came with Zerubbabel, Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, and Baanah.

(I don't see any reason to assume these guys waited 119 years to go to Jerusalem. Looks like they just went when Cyrus issued the decree. And if they did wait 119 years, they would all be over 189 years old. Seeing as how the last guy to live that long was probably Job, it seems very unlikely they were all over 189 years old.)

68Some of the heads of families, when they came to the house of the LORD that is in Jerusalem, made freewill offerings for the house of God, to erect it on its site.

(Not 119 years later)

Rebuilding the Altar

1When the seventh month came, and the children of Israel were in the towns, the people gathered as one man to Jerusalem. 2Then arose Jeshua the son of Jozadak, with his fellow priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel with his kinsmen, and they built the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the Law of Moses the man of God. 3They set the altar in its place, for fear was on them because of the peoples of the lands, and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, burnt offerings morning and evening. 4And they kept the Feast of Booths, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number according to the rule, as each day required, 5and after that the regular burnt offerings, the offerings at the new moon and at all the appointed feasts of the LORD, and the offerings of everyone who made a freewill offering to the LORD. 6From the first day of the seventh month they began to offer burnt offerings to the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid. 7So they gave money to the masons and the carpenters, and food, drink, and oil to the Sidonians and the Tyrians to bring cedar trees from Lebanon to the sea, to Joppa, according to the grant that they had from Cyrus king of Persia.

Rebuilding the Temple

8Now in the second year after their coming to the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak made a beginning, together with the rest of their kinsmen, the priests and the Levites and all who had come to Jerusalem from the captivity. They appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to supervise the work of the house of the LORD. 9And Jeshua with his sons and his brothers, and Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah, together supervised the workmen in the house of God, along with the sons of Henadad and the Levites, their sons and brothers.

10And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, the priests in their vestments came forward with trumpets, and the Levites, the sons of Asaph, with cymbals, to praise the LORD, according to the directions of David king of Israel. 11And they sang responsively, praising and giving thanks to the LORD,

“For he is good,
for his steadfast love endures forever toward Israel.”

And all the people shouted with a great shout when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid. 12But many of the priests and Levites and heads of fathers’ houses, old men who had seen the first house, wept with a loud voice when they saw the foundation of this house being laid, though many shouted aloud for joy, 13so that the people could not distinguish the sound of the joyful shout from the sound of the people’s weeping, for the people shouted with a great shout, and the sound was heard far away.

All right. Is it glaringly obvious the Temple construction began in the 2nd year of Cyrus. Not 119 years after Cyrus. Not 189 years after they were exiled.

Just admit you are wrong.

Yes this discussion is about the 2nd Temple. Especially when it was built. Which is entirely on topic because I already mentioned Ezekiel's Temple is the plans Yahweh gave them for the second Temple. You know, the one they began to build in the 2nd year of Cyrus?
 
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Yes this discussion is about the 2nd Temple. Especially when it was built. Which is entirely on topic because I already mentioned Ezekiel's Temple is the plans Yahweh gave them for the second Temple. You know, the one they began to build in the 2nd year of Cyrus?
This one staement right here shows how much you don't pay attention, and why so much information goes over your head. The title of this this thread is Ezekiel's Temple: Why Are We Still Not Building? Can you stop trolling and actually stop hijacking other peoples threads and start a proper one of your own if you really have that much of a problem with my chronology? As I stated other times before my work is all shown on my blog, but if you're too lazy to read that or would rather pick fights then I gues your ignorance can't be helped.
 
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Ezekiel's Temple: Why Are We Still Not Building?

Because it was the plans for the second Temple. The one that began construction in the 2nd year of Cyrus. I thought I made that clear.
Lol! You're funny ha ha ha. Here's what we read from Ezekiel as to why the Temple shown to him hasn't been built yet:

“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: 'The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. The prince is to enter from the outside through the portico of the gateway and stand by the gatepost. The priests are to sacrifice his burnt offering and his fellowship offerings. He is to bow down in worship at the threshold of the gateway and then go out, but the gate will not be shut until evening.'"
Ezekiel 46:1‭-‬2

Using common sense Israel's last king was Zedekiah/Mattaniah, and while Zerubbabel was a descendant he wasn't anointed as king. So, from this alone we know that no prince post Babylonian exile walked through the Temple...and that is because "The Prince" mentioned by God is The Messiah Yeshua...and because Yeshua did not walk through the Temple as prophesied by Ezekiel during His first coming we have further evidence that the Temple built by Zerubbabel and remodeled by Herod and his descendants is not Ezekiel's Temple. And since we know that the Anti-Christ will not walk through it we may conclude that this will not be the Temple standing during the 70th Week/7 Years of Daniel right before the Return of Yeshua from Heaven on a cloud...therefore When Jesus returns He will be the one to commission the building of Ezekiel's Temple.

Your posts truly insult the OP of this thread as he was gracious enough to post the blueprints and works of Ezekiel's Temple whose dimensions clearly do not match that of the 2nd Temple.

In closing thank you for the free entertainment. It helps with my digestion of the indian food I had for lunch.
 
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