Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

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I am not the example in the scriptures of the Apostles, they are the example, and thew were without sin, ceased completely from sin, were dead to sin, did righteousness, and did no unrighteousness ever, that is born again.
Peter sinned. So did Barnabas.

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. Galatians 2:11-13

Hypocrisy is a sin. A grave one.

Paul was not perfect:

Not that I have already grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers and sisters, I do not regard myself as having taken hold of it yet; Philippians 3:12

And as has already been pointed out numerous times, the Bible tells us that any who claims to be without sin is a liar and is not practicing the truth.

Your posts absolutely reek of pseudo-spirituality. You posit a pretentious, self-serving delusion by way of which you exalt yourself at the expense of others. You do not edify the body - you are an accuser of the brethren, motivated internally by an intense love of self. You exalt yourself as though you are sinless, whereas these others see their own depravity, and cast themselves upon the mercy of God.

Unless you repent, you are in for a rude awakening.
 
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In Romans 7, Apostle Paul testifies to us, of the failure (In the law)

Romans 8, shows sin finished in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law ( of Christ) might be fulfilled in us, to now mind the things of the Spirit.

To be Spiritually minded( with the mind of Christ in us now) to please God, and if Christ is in us, the body is dead, no sin, as the Spirit is life in righteousness...





Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



This then talks of receiving the Spirit of Christ, to mortify the body...


Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.




If anyone is risen with Christ, they are dead, this is the body mortified, obedience in us( the Spirit of Christs obedience) which we walked in previously, when lived in them, no lying one to another seeing the old man deeds are put off, but the new man is renewed in the knowledge of God...


Colossians 3: If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:



This is the new covenant, God puts His laws into our hearts..



Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



God gives us all one heart, that new Spirit ( of Christ who had the law within His heart) and the stony heart ( heart of sin to death) is taken out of that flesh, we are given a heart of flesh to walk in the statutes of the Lord, and those who continue in their evil ways are recompensed upon their heads..


Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.




Jesus taught us about the new, how unless the new wine is placed also into new bottles, it will be worse.

New wine goes into new bottles to preserve both, this is the new man, of the renewed Spirit of Christ and our body becoming new, dead to sin and alive to God...


Matthew 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.



As told in Romans 6, to be buried with Him in death, to walk in newness of life...


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



As Apostle Paul began to speak of the new way of deliverance in Romans 7, to now serve in newness of Spirit, and no longer oldness ( in the flesh)...


Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.



The whole lump( body) needs the old leaven purged out, needs renewing, now to keep the feast with the Lord without malice, or wickedness, to be in the purged/renewed/unleavened bread of sincerity and truth...


1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.



Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the old creature and ways have passed away, all becomes new in Christ.

The only consideration is being a new creature ( and all new ways)



2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


This is to put off the old mans conversation, in his deceitful ( and deceived through sin ) lusts, to be renewed in the Spirit of the mind, putting on the new man, after the image/knowledge of God now created in righteousness and true holiness ( true holiness is not sinning sometimes

Lying is then put off, speaking truth is done to put that off, to not sin, no longer giving place to the devil...)


Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.




Being an elect of God, meekness, mercy, kindness, long suffering, and putting on charity, the bond of perfectness to be the new man...



Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.



The new way is the living way, ( Christ is the living word) given by giving His flesh for us, to draw near with a true heart now given, our heart sprinkled ( cleaned and renewed) from that previous evil conscience, and the body the same, washed with pure/purifying water ( pure as Christ is pure 1 John 3.)..


Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


All malice is layed aside ( dead and mortified when renewed) no guile, no envies, no evil speaking, as newborn babes, if we taste that this is the good word of the Lords grace ( not to turn into lasciviousness or believe in vain)..


1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.



The new song, nobody can learn, but those undefiled, with no guile in the mouth, without fault before God..



Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.






Sam "saved" by Grace "Peter sinned. So did Barnabas.

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. Galatians 2:11-13

Hypocrisy is a sin. A grave one."

Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. ( blamed not condemned)

To show words of the Apostles Peter standing condemned, is ridiculous, the word is blamed, as nobody can lay charge to the elect of God ( as you have done calling Peter an hypocrite) neither did Paul condemn, but spoke of the blame for the part of confusion for others watching..

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Exactly, as you have done, to falsely accuse the Lords Holy Apostles of being hypocritical sinners, it was predicted, these are the perilous times come, now you defend being lovers of yourselves, and not of your brothers, being truce/covenant breakers, being false accusers, despising the Lords good ones ( without sinning)...

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,




Let me answer for the hypocrites.


Judging the Lords Apostles as sinners, is something you will answer for, to God.

I have listed here, how all the new works, when the old is exchanged, so they do not mortify again and again, but be dead to sin once and for all.


Now see the new change God made, that Peter and Barnabus were made aware of by God, and so were acting not in sin, but in unawareness/ignorance, hardly hypocrisy as you falsely accuse the Lord's Holy Apostles....


Peter, is given the understanding, that God has now cleansed the Gentiles.

Now God baptises with the Holy Ghost ( on the Gentiles) as it was the beginning of knowing this in the faith.

Peter shows how it was for him previous to this revelation by the Lord for Peter to show all others, and the Gentiles he shows this to, how it was unlawful for Peter, a Jew, to keep company with the Gentiles, but now God SHOWED, to not call or consider they are unclean any more, as God has cleansed them. ( this clearly was an impossible difficulty placed on the Apostles before this revelation by the Lord for them)

Then all the Jews concluded, that God has granted repentance to life for the Gentiles..



Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
 
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Sam "saved" by Grace: "whereas these others see their own depravity, and cast themselves upon the mercy of God.

Unless you repent, you are in for a rude awakening."


Now, that it is turned back on yourself, that you are the hypocrite and false accuser, I can answer you more.


Yes, these and you, know the depravity that is your own.

But, this is what to know now. That all uncleanness( we are cleansed of all of that uncleanness 1 John 1. when you walk in the light as Christ is in the light) or coveteousness, is not named once as becometh saints, no filthiness, as no whoremonger or unclean/depraved person, has any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ, no man can deceive with vain words ( your own words which are your own depravity)


We were sometimes in that darkness of depravity, but now are light in the Lord, walking as children of light ( not children of depravity, how hypocritical and falsely perverse/blasphemous)

This proves what is acceptable to the Lord, His own words and testimony, done through obedience to righteousness in the Holy Apostles of the Holy Lord God, i/n all goodness and righteousness and truth, no fellowship with you who are the unfruitful works of depraved darkness, it is SHAMEFUL, WHAT YOU DO, that is your repentance, that is you reproved and rebuked..



Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Ephesians 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.


Speaking to the depraved, who yield iniquity unto iniquity, and uncleanness unto uncleanness, now yield yourselves servants to righteousness unto holiness.

When you serve sin, you do no righteousness. When you become servants of God, you serve sin no more at all, are free from serving sin.

What fruit( unfruitful depraved workers of darkness are reproved)do you have in the things that are SHAMEFUL?

The end of shame/depravity is death..


Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
 
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Christians are free from the power of sin. Those born of God do not sin. Just as Paul said,

For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:14-25

If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Romans 8:10

The fact remains, inside every Christians is two natures. A spiritual nature, and a carnal nature. When a person is born again, born of spirit, there is a change that happens inside of them. They no longer want to sin. That doesn't mean they aren't tempted - but they genuinely want to live in perfect obedience to God. That is the new nature. The inner man is the one born from God. The inner man never sins.

That is not to say that because we still have our fallen body, a Christian willfully sins. There are sins done willingly, and sins that are not done willingly. That is why it is not counted as sin. But if we do sin willingly, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

So I hope it is now becoming plain. There are two types of sin. There are sins done willingly - blatant sins (sexual sins, drug abuse, cursing, watching and listening to filth, drunkeness, stealing, lying etc) - that is, sins that are done with premeditation. As Christians, we must cease from such things completely, and we must not have company with those practicing such.

But there are sins done by the flesh - sins that are not done blatantly. When you rise up in pride because someone cut you off while driving, or you get angry at your spouse, or you look at an attractive woman a second too long, etc. These are all sins. But we are not committing them. The old nature is the one doing these sins. We are covered in the blood of Jesus Christ and the wicked one touches us not.

The day is coming when our bodies will also be redeemed. Romans 8:23

If anyone is telling you that they are free from ALL sin, we know they are lying and the truth is not in them. For none of us have been given our glorified bodies, yet. We all have the old nature still with us.
 
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The thing is : "No man can serve two masters" and "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." So, there is no such thing as a saint that sins once in a while. The whole point of beeing called a saint is to say you don't sin.
So I see where prophecy uk is coming from, he takes the Word seriosly and follows It, and everyone else just seem desperate for an excuse to sin, even if it's just a small little sinny sin.
I guess you can blame it on the flesh, and say: It wasn't me, since I am no longer the flesh, but I am the soul or the spirit. So I didn't want to sin, that means I didn't sin, the flesh did.
Making the flesh the servant of sin and your soul the servant of God. But don't you control your own body of flesh? Doesn't it obey you? How can we as a body and a soul, serve two masters? Body serving sin, and soul serving God? I really don't like this idea. And it looks like you are saying your flesh can't "cease" from sin because the the old nature is still with us. But Scripture say's we can resist every temptation and are supposed to kill the old nature, put it off, "mortify "it, just like Christ was crucified for our sins, and then be razed from the dead, and live Holy.
And since we have a renewed mind, I mean the mind of Christ, Holy Spirit, wouldn't it make sense that we wouldn't even think of sin and escape all temptation naturally (new nature/new creature), making us simply unable and incapable of sin?
 
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Recently I woke to the Truth like it says in the Bible: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not[...]"
And I did very well for a month, I went from smoking every day to not smoking at all, and stopped other sins too. (Glory to God)
But as I kept studying the Word, I realized there is adultery at heart, and also murder at heart and I found these two simply impossible to obey, at least for me.
Sometimes it just slips out, I dont necessarily want to commit them, but, sometimes a girl my age more naked than covered, it happens, and when I see a dude with a mask, sometimes I start thinking to myself: " Wow, what a F# Id!" And it's only afterwards that I realize It is a sin and I should not be thinking this if im in Christ, right?
If Im walking in the Spirit, If im "Awake to righteousness[...] ", I should not be sinning, right ?
Or is it that I dont have Christ in me yet ? Maybe im not saved that's why I can sin.
I would say only Jesus Christ is sinless. We can only sin.. less.
So, my question Is it really possible to not sin at all? If not, How can I say im saved, or call myself a Christian if I commit sin everyday ?

Refraining from sin is a constant conscious effort. It takes take and a lot of practice and prayer and even then I don’t think it’s possible to completely be rid of sin for good. All we can really do is keep trying our best and be careful what you expose yourself to. The things we expose ourselves to can often come back to haunt us in temptation and typically the things we have exposed ourselves to in the past are hard to get rid of and takes time.
 
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The thing is : "No man can serve two masters" and "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." So, there is no such thing as a saint that sins once in a while. The whole point of beeing called a saint is to say you don't sin.

Bless you friend but I politely disagree based on Paul’s epistle to the Ephesians. Look at who he addressed this to for example.


“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Notice what Paul says to these Saints in chapters 4 & 5.


“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:17-32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬


“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

There would be no point in this message if these Saints were incapable of sin.
 
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The thing is : "No man can serve two masters" and "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." So, there is no such thing as a saint that sins once in a while. The whole point of beeing called a saint is to say you don't sin.
So I see where prophecy uk is coming from, he takes the Word seriosly and follows It, and everyone else just seem desperate for an excuse to sin, even if it's just a small little sinny sin.
I guess you can blame it on the flesh, and say: It wasn't me, since I am no longer the flesh, but I am the soul or the spirit. So I didn't want to sin, that means I didn't sin, the flesh did.
Making the flesh the servant of sin and your soul the servant of God. But don't you control your own body of flesh? Doesn't it obey you? How can we as a body and a soul, serve two masters? Body serving sin, and soul serving God? I really don't like this idea. And it looks like you are saying your flesh can't "cease" from sin because the the old nature is still with us. But Scripture say's we can resist every temptation and are supposed to kill the old nature, put it off, "mortify "it, just like Christ was crucified for our sins, and then be razed from the dead, and live Holy.
And since we have a renewed mind, I mean the mind of Christ, Holy Spirit, wouldn't it make sense that we wouldn't even think of sin and escape all temptation naturally (new nature/new creature), making us simply unable and incapable of sin?
I understand where you are coming from. And I agree...we cannot serve two masters. Part of becoming a mature Christian is learning how to keep the old nature in subjection to the new nature. This is what it means to walk in the spirit. We must pray without ceasing, feed our spirit with God's Word, starve the old nature by no longer indulging it and fasting often. But as long as we live, the old man will still be there. And until the redemption of our bodies, no one will truly be without sin.

I do respect your motives. I also hate the teaching of those who claim to be Christian but deny repentance and godly living. They truly love their sin and seek to defend their possession of it. This is truly evidence that they have not been created as new. The new man would never love sin nor defend it, but delights only in the Law of God. In this distinction, we know who is saved and who is lost.
 
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Ok, they are capable, Im sorry, You're right, It would have been too easy if they just couldn't sin. If they really want to be reprobates, let them disobey Paul and grieve the Holy Spirit, God will destroy them.
But Paul is describing how saints behave, what do saints do:
1. "lay aside the old self"
2. "put on the new self"
3. "Do not sin"
4. "be imitators of God"
This is what saints do. They don't sin. This is what I meant.
And it is possible to don't sin and resist every temptation:
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.​
Not only possible, but It is what Paul requires of the saints "For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

It is a conscious effort, but with consistency I think we can kill the old man, by starvation.. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
 
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Yes, the old man is supposed to be in subjection to the new man at all times. And it is always possible to resist the temptation to willingly sin. And not only possible, but guaranteed, for all those who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit.
 
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Sam: "The fact remains, inside every Christians is two natures. A spiritual nature, and a carnal nature."



Lets dispel that "fact" then.

Sam quoted Romans 7, from verse 14. Knowing he is flesh/ carnal. Sam following the following, that he does what he hates ( the evil and sinning) , and that which he would do, he does not ( the good/righteousness/ sin not)

First problem for Sam;s "fact" is the following chapter, Romans 8, as the message continues on, right away, how to be carnally minded is death, as that carnal mind works against God, and is impossible then to be subject to ( in obedience to) Gods law.

Corinthians confirms the same, they are yet carnal, as they yet walk as men, in strife and divisions and envy ( they did not cast off the old man and are yet carnal therefore) but the weapons of our warfare in the Spirit, are not carnal, they are mighty through God to do the things you need to do ( not work ill to others)..



Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)




Galatians now speaks the same message, yet again, when walking in the Spirit, the flesh is not fulfilled.

Before this, the flesh works against you, but when led of the Spirit, the weakness of the law that made us carnal next to it, is changed..


Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



This is the law, that Paul speaks of in Romans 7, as Sam quoted, the law of doing good, but evil being present with man, the law in side of man that brings man into captivity to the law of sin in man..

Romans 8:2-3, now tells us this, Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death ( that was in our members) by the law of the Spirit of life of Christ now in us.)

The law was weak, through the flesh, ( we saw a law in us so we could not do the good we would) but sin got condemned in the flesh by the law of Christ now in us..


Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:



Sam has confirmed then, that this sin nature/ law inside of him, that wars against his mind, brings him into captivity to the law of sin in him.


But, remembering Corinthians again, we see this is Sam in the wrong nature ( carnal in the flesh) as now we bring everything to captivity to the obedience of Christ..



Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;



Sam again considers this means Paul is talking present tense, and not the old covenant, that man struggled in and failed in.

But, when Paul says he delights in the law of God as an inward man, this is what was told to Israel, they delight to know the ways of God, they delight in approaching to God, but they also were forsaking the ordinances of God( by the same sin that Sam is stuck in/no new covenant that way in the same old way/old man)..



Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Isaiah 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.



You people love your own words and questioning, here, have mine.

The answer is in your own vanity, when you say two nature are in you. Paul describes the reason good could not be done, as evil is present, then the only possible conclusion is, if anyone is to do any good at all, it can only be done if that evil nature is removed.

Now, that is to see God, the ones who do good see God, the ones who do evil see not God..


3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.









“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

BNR: "There would be no point in this message if these Saints were incapable of sin."


The message addresses the saints, as does Corinthians, to them that are sanctified in Christ, which is the calling to be saints, and if they were capable of sinning, they could not believe it possible to have no immorality, as is for a saint, showing the message is only for them, as it cant be heard or received by an immoral believing person..


1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:




Sam: "But as long as we live, the old man will still be there. And until the redemption of our bodies, no one will truly be without sin."


You see, that is why I am on this forum, to correct the deceivers and the deceived. I have rebuked on your own strengths, that were not your strengths at all, but turn out to be your error and then you have nothing to speak about on Romans 7, in my presence, meaning you are answered and I do not need to do more.

Again, I will explain and dispel your wrong words that sin is possible, and not that the saints are incapable of sinning.

Your ideas and words are antichrist, as Jesus destroyed through His painful death, the works of the devil.

Then children are born unto Him now on this earth, not born of the flesh, but of God John 1.

Then the ones born of God, cannot sin, as His seed remains in them..


1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Now I will explain and give the sense what that seed is, and how the seed remaining in man, who is born of God, cannot sin.

Remembering that the works of the devil are destroyed/dead. The seed remaining in us, is not many seed, but one, and that seed is Christ. Then the body is dead, the works of the devil are dead/destroyed, the Spirit is life through righteousness. This manifests the children of the devil, who still are alive to sin, do not do righteousness, and do unrighteousness which is not loving their brother but is hating their brother..



Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.




Sam: "Yes, the old man is supposed to be in subjection to the new man at all times"


The old man is gone, or not gone, s the wisdom is this, when evil is present, you cannot do the good you would, you do the evil then, and then have not seen God this way, in your own quoting of Romans 7, you should hear that shouting loud now, that I have said it for you all..


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 
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Yes, the old man is supposed to be in subjection to the new man at all times. And it is always possible to resist the temptation to willingly sin. And not only possible, but guaranteed, for all those who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit.

See you used the word "guaranteed", this is what I was thinking when I said unable/incapable of sin. It makes sense to me Christ would free us from sin. Because Christ destroys sin. The mind of Christ doesn't even think of sin. This would be the greatest blessing on hearth, beeing made free from sin.
Romans 6:7 "For he that is dead is freed from sin."

We can be freed from sin, by crucifying our old man with Him on the cross.
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

And now, dead to sin, freed from sin, now we serve God.(live Holy)
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
Notice obedience.
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."
Obey the doctrine.
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
Servants.. That means we have to obey our Master and His Word, serve Him according to the rules of the House (the Law), even tho we are not under law, but under grace we end up following the law anyways thanks to the love of Christ, and the love of the Father. It might be hard in the beggining but a mature Christian would not even think of sinning against God [...] for the end of those things is death. It is worth it, and as we grow it becomes easier to follow the Law, just love The Lord Jesus Christ.
John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
John 15:10
“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

It is possible to sin after beeing made freed from sin, this is called the great transgression.(not recommended)

Freedom is to obey God out of love. Obey God and abide in His love.

"For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness."
[...]
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
 
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DaDaBrothers: "So I see where prophecy uk is coming from, he takes the Word seriosly and follows It, and everyone else just seem desperate for an excuse to sin, even if it's just a small little sinny sin.
I guess you can blame it on the flesh, and say: It wasn't me, since I am no longer the flesh, but I am the soul or the spirit. So I didn't want to sin, that means I didn't sin, the flesh did."

DaDaBrothers: "Ok, they are capable, Im sorry, You're right, It would have been too easy if they just couldn't sin"

DaDaBrothers: It is a conscious effort, but with consistency I think we can kill the old man, by starvation.. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Yes, if you remember that Jesus predicted many deceivers, deceiving many, as iniquity abounds, so the love of many turns cold, and men be lovers of their own selves, and turning the grace of God into lasciviousness/lust, you know, it is well and truly fulfilled, their intention can only be one, to present some way out, some escape clause, that whatever way they live their life, it is OK with God, forgiven and covered, especially with the popular saying these days in all the world, nobody is perfect, so if it is occasional sin, some slip up, anything at all, however minor it may be, this is them escaped, and excused for doing sin, whatever sin it my be they permit for themselves to do, AND, TO TEACH OTHERS THE SAME.

Why believe the deception then, they show that sin is capable, so they can never be seen wrong in their sinning. The fact of it being capable, that if they slip/backslide, stumble, they go again and God covers it and forgives them. How convenient and still is their lying way out and deception. Did you not see enough of their resistance to Gods words and ways, to know who you were dealing with/listening to?

It is not scripture to starve the flesh, it is destroyed, as you had noticed remember, dead to sin once and for all, why cant you remember your own understandings as I noticed about yourself?

But I can answer you why:

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

You have this chance to be corrected, I am admonishing you only this one last time, It is wrong of you to turn from what you have heard here.
 
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"It is possible to sin after beeing made freed from sin, this is called the great transgression.(not recommended)"


The previous covenant was in presumption, breaking the commandment of the Lord.

Now the word is, kept back from presumptious sins, to not have dominion over us.

God orders our steps in His word, to not have iniquity having dominion over us.

Sin has no dominion over us, as we are not under that law( of presumption and iniquity dominion) but are under Christ now and grace..



Numbers 15:22-40 And if ye have erred and not observed all these commands, if aught be commited by ignorance, without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation offer and the priest will make an atonement for the congregation and it shall be forgiven them: for it is ignorance. But the soul that doeth ought presumptiously, the same reproacheth the lord and that soul shall be cut off from before the people. Because he hath despised the word of the lord and hath broken his commandment and his iniquity shall be upon him.

Psalms19:13 Keep back thy servant from presumptious sins, let them not have dominion over me, then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

Psalms 119:133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace
 
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"Freedom is to obey God out of love. Obey God and abide in His love."


Not quite, we are bought with a price, the precious blood of Christ, that is not freedom, we are BOUGHT.

Christ made us free to serve Him, and it came at the price of pain suffering and death, all of that against Himself. ..


1 Corinthians 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


The law of liberty is for us to continue in, a doer, to be blessed, loving our neighbour, to fulfil the law, as we shall be judged by that same law of liberty, which is, the unmerciful are wel told, they receive the same as they gave..

Psalm 109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Now as free ( but not free and doing out of so called love) as the love of God is shed into our hearts is how, and why, now cannot be given by God for maliciousness, but as created servants of God/redeemed for that purpose, they turn away from the servants of bondage who promise/speak of liberty when it is servants of corruption..

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Peter 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Now understood, by the Spirit( it is required to understand truly) they be Holy, as God is Holy, call in fear, a servant fears His master, unlike the first covenant breakers ( who are called Christian now, in the faithless time) we are redeemed without corruption..

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
 
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"Freedom is to obey God out of love. Obey God and abide in His love."


Not quite, we are bought with a price, the precious blood of Christ, that is not freedom, we are BOUGHT.

Christ made us free to serve Him, and it came at the price of pain suffering and death, all of that against Himself. ..


1 Corinthians 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


The law of liberty is for us to continue in, a doer, to be blessed, loving our neighbour, to fulfil the law, as we shall be judged by that same law of liberty, which is, the unmerciful are wel told, they receive the same as they gave..

Psalm 109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Now as free ( but not free and doing out of so called love) as the love of God is shed into our hearts is how, and why, now cannot be given by God for maliciousness, but as created servants of God/redeemed for that purpose, they turn away from the servants of bondage who promise/speak of liberty when it is servants of corruption..

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Peter 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Now understood, by the Spirit( it is required to understand truly) they be Holy, as God is Holy, call in fear, a servant fears His master, unlike the first covenant breakers ( who are called Christian now, in the faithless time) we are redeemed without corruption..

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

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2. Where do you go to church?

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Yes, if you remember that Jesus predicted many deceivers, deceiving many, as iniquity abounds, so the love of many turns cold, and men be lovers of their own selves, and turning the grace of God into lasciviousness/lust, you know, it is well and truly fulfilled, their intention can only be one, to present some way out, some escape clause, that whatever way they live their life, it is OK with God, forgiven and covered, especially with the popular saying these days in all the world, nobody is perfect, so if it is occasional sin, some slip up, anything at all, however minor it may be, this is them escaped, and excused for doing sin, whatever sin it my be they permit for themselves to do, AND, TO TEACH OTHERS THE SAME.

This is NOT what I am doing, and you are bearing false witness if you say that I am.

I am saying that sin is NOT okay in the life of a Christian and that a Christian should FLEE from immorality and strive against sin. There are so-called Christians who defend their sin, and want to remain in it. This is evidence that they are not born-again.

Not that I should defend myself to you, but for the sake of the truth, I tell you that there is not a single sin, of which I am aware, that I desire. I long to be perfect, even as Christ is perfect. The Christian life is one of continual repentance. As we delve into the Word of God, the light of Truth shines upon us, revealing more and more imperfection - from which we are to flee. This is what Jesus meant when He said, "Sanctify them in truth, Your Word is truth.".

The Christian life is one of continual growth and ongoing repentance. You start out like a baby, and you grow more and more, feeding on God's Word, and purging yourself of impurities. Yet, apparently you do not have any impurities.

You are not edifying people, nor are you equipping anyone to godly living. You are trying to bring condemnation upon others. You are trying to exalt yourself as this spiritual, set-apart, image of perfection - and you are not. You are a Pharisee, and you are lifted up in your own imagination. You should be on your face before God, asking for mercy for being a sinner.

You are claiming that you not only no longer sin, but you no longer have a sin nature. And that makes you a liar. Your body has NOT been redeemed yet. You are still in a carnal body, and if you are not struggling daily against it, then you are a reprobate. That is a scary thought. I will pray for you.
 
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Sam: "Paul was not perfect:

Not that I have already grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers and sisters, I do not regard myself as having taken hold of it yet; Philippians 3:12

And as has already been pointed out numerous times, the Bible tells us that any who claims to be without sin is a liar and is not practicing the truth."




Your idea of Paul not able to do the things he would, has been rebuked/corrected, it is your lack of understanding which has been thoroughly shown...

Evil is present, is your belief Sam, but the belief you do not follow is the other word, that Christ has delivered us from this present evil world, so evil is no longer present with us/within us...


Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:





Neither did you manage to show Peter as sinning, again it is your ignorance which remains, as Peters was address by God for all the Jews, regarding the Holy Spirit then given to the Gentiles, so they could be made of one new man together.



Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Apostle Paul did all perfectly, as all scriptures example, none example Paul to do imperfectly.







Sam: " I long to be perfect, even as Christ is perfect. The Christian life is one of continual repentance. As we delve into the Word of God, the light of Truth shines upon us, revealing more and more imperfection - from which we are to flee"



False made up words as always. We are not taught mans deceitful words, that we see our imperfections as light shines more.


Here is what we ARE testified by God,


To be perfect, is to have treasure in Heaven, the beginning of that is seen in all of the Apostles who sold and gave away all they had, it is the beginning step.

Next, to be the children of God, is to do more than the sinners( who are not children of God but of the devil) to love your enemies and not only do what is easy for men to do( including self love sinning to satisfy their lusts) this is testified to be perfect as God is perfect ( doing for the ungrateful and evil as well)..


Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.




Another light ( not revealing your imperfections but shining the way to what perfection is) is to be as Christ to be perfect, which is as testified, Christ the Son in us and the Father in Him, and made one perfectly together..



Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.




These words are hidden from natural man who cant acknowledge them, can only contradict, and blaspheme them,so I explain them for you, speaking among those who are perfect, against their foolish empty wisdom of this world, how that which was perfect came ( Christ) and His strength was seen as perfect in weakness, and that same informities and perfection in weakness is seen in us..




1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.



So, be perfect is a commandment, being of one mind of Christ ( made perfect in one) this is coming in the unity of the faith, to believe in being that perfect man which is Christ, unto His knowledge, and Paul says he is not perfect, but as many as be perfect are thus minded ( they let God speak for them)..


2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.



All men are taught and warned, they can only be presented perfect, that is to be in Christ Jesus ( theere is no being in Him without it) as that is putting on Christ, which is putting on charity, the bond of perfectness or you put nothing on, and charity never fails but endures all and seeks not her own ever..

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Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.




Then we stand, when we stand perfect, which is complete, which is then in the will of God ( in sanctification)

ll these verses you resist, are to instruct man in righteousness, to be perfect, furnished to all good works means none evil ones..




Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.




Before the law, nothing was made perfect, and what hypocrisy to think the new living way in Christ makes nothing changed from that to now be made perfect.

The law never made the comers perfect..

One offering of Christ, by Christ, makes the sanctified perfected, or they are not sanctified.

Those without the new covenant, are still not made perfect, if you say you are that way, you are without too.

But the spirits of the just men are now instead, made perfect..




Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.




So, patiently enduring ( as charity endures and fails not and is that bond of perfectness we must put on which is Christ) then patience has her perfect work in us, for us o be perfect and want for nothing, being entire/complete in all the will of God.

This is the sufferings of Christ in us, as His strength is made perfect in our weaknesses and infirmities which is Christ then resting on us.

Our love is not imperfect, it is made perfect, Gods love is perfected in us, not imperfected, and last of all, if your works are not found perfect before God, this is the rebuke for you..




James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
 
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The actual Greek word for "perfect", used in Revelation 3:2, is "πεπληρωμένα", which in that instance, is better translated as "complete". Not only that, but notice he took that verse out of context.

1 Peter 5:10 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com) Jesus "will perfect" you. Perfect, as a verb. Not an adjective. Merriam-Webster defines it as, "bring to completion".

1 John 4:17 - he again takes a verse completely out of context. In many places, Jesus said that we are the light of the world. In that respect, we are like Him in this world. But... letting scripture interpret scripture, we know that it certainly does NOT mean that we are already made perfectly like Christ. Because that day is yet to come.

See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:1-3

It is the hope that purifies us. As it is written, Abram believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness. Genesis 15:6

For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope... Romans 8:24

Again, the Apostle Paul writes,

...and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Phillipians 3:9-12

...but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:10-12

Lastly, Romans 7 is NOT referring to life before becoming a Christian. Notice the last verse,

Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:25

And of course, again, we have the words of 1 John (notice the CONTEXT - notice the PRECEDING VERSE - this referring to the present Christian walk, not before): but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:7-8

Thank God for His Word. That we can always be grounded in Truth. That when liars and heretics come around, we can go to the Word of God. And when we read the Bible, we see the big picture. The same way looking at a painting reveals a picture. If we zoom in on only one part of the picture, we might see, for example, what appears to be a pig, but is actually the palm of a hand. And this is precisely what all heresy and false teachings have in common. They take a few verses, rip them completely out of context, and do so without considering the rest of what is written. And because of this, they reinforce their presuppositions, which colors how they interpret the rest of the text.

I would encourage everyone not to waste anymore time on the self-styled "prophet". He is here only to feed off others. He is lifted up in himself, fancying himself a holy, set-apart prophet, bringing revelation to us lowly, deceived sinners. He won't even write plainly and simply, intent on coming across in a pseudo-scriptural style. From this point on, I am going to ignore him. I would encourage everyone else to do the same. Don't feed into it.
 
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