What are the reasons behind a person wrongfully rejecting the Trinity? (Trinity Christians Only)

misput said:

Some reject God in three persons because they think God is in all persons, at least in the beginning of their life. They usually do not believe we are born in sin either but we fall from grace just like Adam & Eve.

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One of my family members I grew up with believes that Christ dwells in everyone and those who behave evil in this life have not simply tapped into the Christ consciousness (as they called it). They also made the claim that sin was an illusion, as well. But these claims by my family member are simply not true (of course). The Bible makes it clear about how the Lord abides only in those who keep His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3). The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (See: 1 John 2:4).

Mormons wrongfully believe in Tritheism in that all three persons of the Trinity are actually separate gods and they are not one God.

Others erroneously believe that Jesus is a created demi-god.
But… Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6
Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3.

They also falsely believe that the Holy Spirit is just another name for God the Father. But again, this is not true. John 14:16, John 14:26, and Romans 8:27 destroys this kind of idea. Others wrongfully believe the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force. But the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30), the Spirit can search the deep things of God (suggesting intelligence) (1 Corinthians 2:10), the Spirit has a will to choose (1 Corinthians 12:11), etc.

But I believe that folks who believe this way do so for various reasons. I believe they want to make God to fit their understanding because the Trinity is hard to grasp in their mind. For when I argue with Arians, they fail to understand the Trinity. They will attack the Trinity and say silly things like the Trinity is 4 persons to me, which only shows their lack of understanding. They just do not see how the Lord our God is one God and yet He also exists as three distinct persons. So they reject this truth in Scripture.

Butch5 said:

As I said before, my belief of rhe Trinity is different than the typical belief. However it falls in line with the statement faith, unlike yours. If you're going to tell people they can't post here because their understand doesn't fit yours, shouldn't you abide by the same rules? Your understand doesn't align with the statement of faith for this forum. If you don't hold it why are you posting here? As I said, I'm probably the only one here who adheres to the statement of faith.

If you can't defend your beliefs or don't want them challenged them maybe it would be better to just and not post.

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Again, read the Statement of Purpose in the Christian Controversial Christianity section. It says non-Trinitarianism cannot be discussed here. So your promotion of Non-Trinitarianism is not allowed here, friend. So please stop.

sandman said:

As I stated from the beginning I was here as a neutral person ...I stated...
I am not here to slam the trinity, duo theistic, or monotheistic belief of God. I study the Word for accuracy and there are many verses used on both sides, but overwhelmingly on the triune side that don’t hold water. Our goal (well, mine) is to protect the integrity of the Word. To seek the truth …then believe….and it doesn’t matter if it’s this, or any other subject.

My denial is of a verse that is corrupt, deliberately forged by translators ...a verse that really doesn't prove validity of the trinity as it's written in KJV anyhow. But when there is a verse that is not in any MMS prior to the 14th century there is a problem with the integrity of that verse....not the Word of God.
I think we agree there is only one true rendering of the Word of God as it was originally written ...which is what I seek. But it seems if there is something that interrupts or disturbs what you believe....you go after the messenger....
For me, if I find out something that interrupts or is contrary to what I believe ....I am happy to find that out, because I want to believe the truth....but that's me.

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First, you appear to be chummy with Non-Trinitarians and not so chummy with Trinitarians here. This shows that you are not neutral. Second, Non-Trinitarianism is not allowed to be discussed in a favorable way in this forum. Your last paragraph appears to cast doubt on the Trinity and that is not allowed in this section of the forums. So please stop. You are not neutral if you speak in any way negatively against the Trinity.

Butch5 said:

I'm not allowed? Really? Is that because you can't defend your beliefs?

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Yes, because you are not allowed to explain your beliefs of the Trinity here in detail in the Christian section of the forums. You said so in another thread. It’s because your beliefs on the Trinity is not really a Trinity based on what you told me by email. You don’t believe God is one God and yet He also exists as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Your view changes the persons of the Godhead to not be three persons, but two (Binity or Binatarianism). Thus, your view is not a Trinity.

Butch5 said:

As I said before, my belief of rhe Trinity is different than the typical belief. However it falls in line with the statement faith, unlike yours. If you're going to tell people they can't post here because their understand doesn't fit yours, shouldn't you abide by the same rules? Your understand doesn't align with the statement of faith for this forum. If you don't hold it why are you posting here? As I said, I'm probably the only one here who adheres to the statement of faith.

If you can't defend your beliefs or don't want them challenged them maybe it would be better to just and not post.

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If you really were for the Trinity, you would not criticize the thread and or speak negatively against it in any way but you would speak only positively and you would contribute to the thread as to the reasons why people reject the Trinity. But seeing you don’t accept the Trinity, you of course are going to criticize (Which is what you have been doing).

misput said:

When we take a verse of scripture such as this one out of context with what the rest of scripture clearly teaches, which is: no one but Christ keeps the commandments, every one else is credited with keeping them through faith, we exhibit a severe lack of understanding and credibility. If we say we have such a strong faith The Lord makes us able to keep the commandments perfectly, we are deluding our self. We only need to truly examine our self for a short time to see this, even without the witness of the rest of scripture.

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Funny how you are not offering any context to prove your case here in how we cannot read 1 John 2:3-4 plainly and just believe these verses at face value. So we are just to believe you just because you say so? I will trust God’s Word and not you. Also, our own personal life experiences does not determine the truth of what God’s Word says. We either believe the Bible by faith or we don’t believe it. We cannot pick and choose parts of the Bible we like and reject other parts because we don’t like them. Anyways, lets try and get back on topic of the thread of the OP.

BABerean2 said:

Because they do not understand the role of the Holy Spirit in a New Covenant believer.


Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.


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I gotcha now. Thanks for the input. You are saying that they do not understand the distinct or unique role of the Spirit and that they do not have the Holy Spirit to teach them all things.

misput said:

I offered the context of the rest of scripture. You seem to be oblivious of the contradiction in your views and you are not alone. Not funny at all.

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You can make an appointment to speak to me privately (if you like), and I will be happy to explain the doctrines of Christ to you more fully if you like.

You said:

Also the scripture teaches we are to examine ourselves before the Lord.

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Which does not make any sense in light of your belief, friend.
There is no real need to examine ourselves on whether we are in faith or that Christ is in us if we are free to commit serious sin with the thinking we are still saved (if that is what you are suggesting). For Scripture says:

“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Again, how can we have an assurance that we know the Lord Jesus?

Please read again 1 John 2:3-4.

You said:

I went off topic because I detected a common false teaching in your post that needs to be challenged but I should know we cannot teach a teacher but maybe someone else will take note. Rave on brother : )

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You can claim false teaching all you like, but until you prove it with Scripture, it is just a baseless claim.

Butch5 said:

I did reply as to why people would reject "YOUR" understanding of the Trinity. You seem to think that your understanding of things is the only one. You claim the KJV is the only valid translation. Yours is the only valid understanding of the Trinity and now you're trying to throw people out who don't agree with you. I'll say again, my understand is exactly what the statement of faith says. That has been the standard Christian belief for centuries. You may choose not to believe it but that doesn't make your understanding more valid. You're not the arbiter or Truth.

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Did not the apostle Paul say to throw out a fornicator in the church?
Also, what about Titus 3:10?
Anyways, I am moving on from talking to you.
This OP is about why people reject the Trinity (Which is a question asked to those who are Traditional Trinitarian Christians).
That is what this thread discussion is about.
This thread was not asked towards Christians who hold to Binity or Binitarianism (Who claim they believe in the Trinity when they clearly do not).

Andrewn said:

I agree that there is not one understanding of the Trinity. What is your understanding of the Trinity?

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He said in another thread that he is not allowed to discuss it based on what the Mods told him.

Anyways, the Bible says:

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7) (KJB).

We see this three in one shown in other Scripture verses.

Matthew 28:19 says,“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

It says baptizing them in the NAME (singular, one) and then it proceeds to mention three names. One and yet three.

We see God (singular) speak, and He refers to Himself in the plural form in Genesis 1:26. Let US make man in OUR image and OUR likeness. Three times.

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:26).

John 1:1 says that the Word WAS God, and the Word was WITH God.
So both the Father and Jesus are God.
All three persons of the Trinity were represented distinctively at Christ’s baptism.

Now, some people say that the Holy Spirit is just another name for God the Father;
However, this is false.

The Father gives the Holy Spirit; And the Spirit is another Comforter:

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).

Who shall give what?

The Father shall give.

Give what?

Another Comforter (the Holy Spirit).

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” (John 14:26).

There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father:

Paul wrote.

And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).

In addition, those who falsely claim that the Holy Spirit is just another name for the Father misinterpret Luke 1:35. They believe that because the Father is not mentioned n Luke 1:35, it presents a contradiction in that Jesus may not be God’s Father (because only the Spirit is mentioned). So they suggest that the Father is the Holy Spirit. But this is not true. Lets read it.


The words in blue that I highlighted show that it is in reference to the Holy Spirit. The words in red that I highlighted show that it is the in reference to God the Father (i.e. the power of the Highest). Two separate and distinct mentions of unique persons of the Trinity are mentioned here. So both God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are involved in the Word being made flesh.

Some falsely believe Jesus to be a created demi-god.
However, Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6;
And Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3.

In other words, rejecters of the traditional view of the Trinity are wrong.
The Bible clearly teaches that the Lord our God is one God, and yet He is three distinct persons.