I see God more in the bad than in the good

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Luke 17:7-10: “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, does his master say, ‘Come in and eat with me’? 8 No, he says, ‘Prepare my meal, put on your apron, and serve me while I eat. Then you can eat later.’ 9 And does the master thank the servant for doing what he was told to do? Of course not. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are unworthy servants who have simply done our duty.’”

I’m a gas station attendant, and I have a serious question. I’ve been saved by the grace of God for four years now, have been reading the scriptures, and have come to the understanding that the Lord is sovereign over everything and can do absolutely anything he wants without anyone stopping him. This confuses me however, because I know that God is kind, and good. As a clerk, I believe I minister and speak to God everyday, through multiple people that he sends my way. Now, there are good interactions, and bad interactions, and I cannot help but attribute both to his will. For example, it is very easy to have a pleasant interaction with a customer, and attribute it to God. It is a lot harder, however, to think that God is behind the actions of someone throwing money at you, or yelling at you and your coworkers, being ungrateful or just acting without any manners. But I’m not one to deny God his free-will, and I’m not going to be one who denies that God created both the light and the dark. What happens in my heart when something good happens, is that I sometimes attribute it to the Lord, and give thanks for it. But when something bad happens, I become certain that it was God behind the actions, because I don’t want to be someone who attributes all evil to the Devil, knowing very well that humans have the awful capacity of being devils themselves. It reminds me of 2 Samuel 16:5-13 which reads:


“As King David came to Bahurim, a man came out of the village cursing them. It was Shimei son of Gera, from the same clan as Saul’s family. 6 He threw stones at the king and the king’s officers and all the mighty warriors who surrounded him. 7 “Get out of here, you murderer, you scoundrel!” he shouted at David. 8 “The LORD is paying you back for all the bloodshed in Saul’s clan. You stole his throne, and now the LORD has given it to your son Absalom. At last you will taste some of your own medicine, for you are a murderer!”

9 “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king?” Abishai son of Zeruiah demanded. “Let me go over and cut off his head!”

10 “No!” the king said. “Who asked your opinion, you sons of Zeruiah! If the LORD has told him to curse me, who are you to stop him?”

11 Then David said to Abishai and to all his servants, “My own son is trying to kill me. Doesn’t this relative of Saul have even more reason to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it. 12And perhaps the LORD will see that I am being wrongedc and will bless me because of these curses today.” 13 So David and his men continued down the road, and Shimei kept pace with them on a nearby hillside, cursing and throwing stones and dirt at David”

In that passage David postulates that perhaps it was the Lord who told Shimei to curse him. I guess my question is in the same vein. The line between free-will and God’s sovereignty is a thin one, as we are created in the very image of God. But because of these things, sometimes I am more certain that God is present when bad things happen, then when good things happen, knowing that God uses even that which is bad, for good at the end of the day. Is this wrong of me to think? Any thoughts? God bless!
 

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God INTENDS these bad things to happen, but for good. Your view is one of those good things that result from bad things happening.

Joseph told his brothers, "You intended to harm me, but God intended it all for good." (Genesis 50:20)
 
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In my way of thinking, God is present in all circumstances, the good and the bad. If you are born of the Spirit, he's present within you too, all the time. I'm certain how a person responds to the way people treat him/her is noticed too. I often remind myself that someone else's behavior does not dictate how I should behave. My responsibility is to God first.
 
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In that passage David postulates that perhaps it was the Lord who told Shimei to curse him

God appointed David to be King, he knew that David for all his faults as devouted to him.
But he allowed David to suffer the consequences of his inactions.
David didn't discipline his sons and there contempt lead to rebellion.

Shimel did not know or did not accept that it was God who appointed David after Saul's death, his accusations were totally false.
 
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Luke 17:7-10: “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, does his master say, ‘Come in and eat with me’? 8 No, he says, ‘Prepare my meal, put on your apron, and serve me while I eat. Then you can eat later.’ 9 And does the master thank the servant for doing what he was told to do? Of course not. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are unworthy servants who have simply done our duty.’”

I’m a gas station attendant, and I have a serious question. I’ve been saved by the grace of God for four years now, have been reading the scriptures, and have come to the understanding that the Lord is sovereign over everything and can do absolutely anything he wants without anyone stopping him. This confuses me however, because I know that God is kind, and good. As a clerk, I believe I minister and speak to God everyday, through multiple people that he sends my way. Now, there are good interactions, and bad interactions, and I cannot help but attribute both to his will. For example, it is very easy to have a pleasant interaction with a customer, and attribute it to God. It is a lot harder, however, to think that God is behind the actions of someone throwing money at you, or yelling at you and your coworkers, being ungrateful or just acting without any manners. But I’m not one to deny God his free-will, and I’m not going to be one who denies that God created both the light and the dark. What happens in my heart when something good happens, is that I sometimes attribute it to the Lord, and give thanks for it. But when something bad happens, I become certain that it was God behind the actions, because I don’t want to be someone who attributes all evil to the Devil, knowing very well that humans have the awful capacity of being devils themselves. It reminds me of 2 Samuel 16:5-13 which reads:


“As King David came to Bahurim, a man came out of the village cursing them. It was Shimei son of Gera, from the same clan as Saul’s family. 6 He threw stones at the king and the king’s officers and all the mighty warriors who surrounded him. 7 “Get out of here, you murderer, you scoundrel!” he shouted at David. 8 “The LORD is paying you back for all the bloodshed in Saul’s clan. You stole his throne, and now the LORD has given it to your son Absalom. At last you will taste some of your own medicine, for you are a murderer!”

9 “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king?” Abishai son of Zeruiah demanded. “Let me go over and cut off his head!”

10 “No!” the king said. “Who asked your opinion, you sons of Zeruiah! If the LORD has told him to curse me, who are you to stop him?”

11 Then David said to Abishai and to all his servants, “My own son is trying to kill me. Doesn’t this relative of Saul have even more reason to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it. 12And perhaps the LORD will see that I am being wrongedc and will bless me because of these curses today.” 13 So David and his men continued down the road, and Shimei kept pace with them on a nearby hillside, cursing and throwing stones and dirt at David”

In that passage David postulates that perhaps it was the Lord who told Shimei to curse him. I guess my question is in the same vein. The line between free-will and God’s sovereignty is a thin one, as we are created in the very image of God. But because of these things, sometimes I am more certain that God is present when bad things happen, then when good things happen, knowing that God uses even that which is bad, for good at the end of the day. Is this wrong of me to think? Any thoughts? God bless!
All things work together for the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose.
Evil is good for the people of God.
 
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I've had situations where someone made untoward remarks towards me. Without provocation to do so other than ego. Their behavior allowed me to see them in a different light that wasn't shrouded with benevolence and emotion. When considering others in a similar guise the difference was striking. They inadvertently increased my esteem for those whose conduct and regard was more kindhearted. It wasn't their intention to do so. But God turned the lemons into lemonade.

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Luke 17:7-10: “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, does his master say, ‘Come in and eat with me’? 8 No, he says, ‘Prepare my meal, put on your apron, and serve me while I eat. Then you can eat later.’ 9 And does the master thank the servant for doing what he was told to do? Of course not. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are unworthy servants who have simply done our duty.’”

I’m a gas station attendant, and I have a serious question. I’ve been saved by the grace of God for four years now, have been reading the scriptures, and have come to the understanding that the Lord is sovereign over everything and can do absolutely anything he wants without anyone stopping him. This confuses me however, because I know that God is kind, and good. As a clerk, I believe I minister and speak to God everyday, through multiple people that he sends my way. Now, there are good interactions, and bad interactions, and I cannot help but attribute both to his will. For example, it is very easy to have a pleasant interaction with a customer, and attribute it to God. It is a lot harder, however, to think that God is behind the actions of someone throwing money at you, or yelling at you and your coworkers, being ungrateful or just acting without any manners. But I’m not one to deny God his free-will, and I’m not going to be one who denies that God created both the light and the dark. What happens in my heart when something good happens, is that I sometimes attribute it to the Lord, and give thanks for it. But when something bad happens, I become certain that it was God behind the actions, because I don’t want to be someone who attributes all evil to the Devil, knowing very well that humans have the awful capacity of being devils themselves. It reminds me of 2 Samuel 16:5-13 which reads:


“As King David came to Bahurim, a man came out of the village cursing them. It was Shimei son of Gera, from the same clan as Saul’s family. 6 He threw stones at the king and the king’s officers and all the mighty warriors who surrounded him. 7 “Get out of here, you murderer, you scoundrel!” he shouted at David. 8 “The LORD is paying you back for all the bloodshed in Saul’s clan. You stole his throne, and now the LORD has given it to your son Absalom. At last you will taste some of your own medicine, for you are a murderer!”

9 “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king?” Abishai son of Zeruiah demanded. “Let me go over and cut off his head!”

10 “No!” the king said. “Who asked your opinion, you sons of Zeruiah! If the LORD has told him to curse me, who are you to stop him?”

11 Then David said to Abishai and to all his servants, “My own son is trying to kill me. Doesn’t this relative of Saul have even more reason to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it. 12And perhaps the LORD will see that I am being wrongedc and will bless me because of these curses today.” 13 So David and his men continued down the road, and Shimei kept pace with them on a nearby hillside, cursing and throwing stones and dirt at David”

In that passage David postulates that perhaps it was the Lord who told Shimei to curse him. I guess my question is in the same vein. The line between free-will and God’s sovereignty is a thin one, as we are created in the very image of God. But because of these things, sometimes I am more certain that God is present when bad things happen, then when good things happen, knowing that God uses even that which is bad, for good at the end of the day. Is this wrong of me to think? Any thoughts? God bless!
The first thing to read, and also where I find the answer, is in the new testament.
Hebrews 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastises every son He receives."

God could just let someone alone, undisciplined, because they don't even meet His basic standards, as it seems happens to the rich man who ignored Lazarus.

In addition to being disciplined by our Father, we could also suffer the unjust attacks of worldly people, an entirely different cause of suffering.
 
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Luke 17:7-10: “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, does his master say, ‘Come in and eat with me’? 8 No, he says, ‘Prepare my meal, put on your apron, and serve me while I eat. Then you can eat later.’ 9 And does the master thank the servant for doing what he was told to do? Of course not. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are unworthy servants who have simply done our duty.’”

I’m a gas station attendant, and I have a serious question. I’ve been saved by the grace of God for four years now, have been reading the scriptures, and have come to the understanding that the Lord is sovereign over everything and can do absolutely anything he wants without anyone stopping him. This confuses me however, because I know that God is kind, and good. As a clerk, I believe I minister and speak to God everyday, through multiple people that he sends my way. Now, there are good interactions, and bad interactions, and I cannot help but attribute both to his will. For example, it is very easy to have a pleasant interaction with a customer, and attribute it to God. It is a lot harder, however, to think that God is behind the actions of someone throwing money at you, or yelling at you and your coworkers, being ungrateful or just acting without any manners. But I’m not one to deny God his free-will, and I’m not going to be one who denies that God created both the light and the dark. What happens in my heart when something good happens, is that I sometimes attribute it to the Lord, and give thanks for it. But when something bad happens, I become certain that it was God behind the actions, because I don’t want to be someone who attributes all evil to the Devil, knowing very well that humans have the awful capacity of being devils themselves. It reminds me of 2 Samuel 16:5-13 which reads:


“As King David came to Bahurim, a man came out of the village cursing them. It was Shimei son of Gera, from the same clan as Saul’s family. 6 He threw stones at the king and the king’s officers and all the mighty warriors who surrounded him. 7 “Get out of here, you murderer, you scoundrel!” he shouted at David. 8 “The LORD is paying you back for all the bloodshed in Saul’s clan. You stole his throne, and now the LORD has given it to your son Absalom. At last you will taste some of your own medicine, for you are a murderer!”

9 “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king?” Abishai son of Zeruiah demanded. “Let me go over and cut off his head!”

10 “No!” the king said. “Who asked your opinion, you sons of Zeruiah! If the LORD has told him to curse me, who are you to stop him?”

11 Then David said to Abishai and to all his servants, “My own son is trying to kill me. Doesn’t this relative of Saul have even more reason to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it. 12And perhaps the LORD will see that I am being wrongedc and will bless me because of these curses today.” 13 So David and his men continued down the road, and Shimei kept pace with them on a nearby hillside, cursing and throwing stones and dirt at David”

In that passage David postulates that perhaps it was the Lord who told Shimei to curse him. I guess my question is in the same vein. The line between free-will and God’s sovereignty is a thin one, as we are created in the very image of God. But because of these things, sometimes I am more certain that God is present when bad things happen, then when good things happen, knowing that God uses even that which is bad, for good at the end of the day. Is this wrong of me to think? Any thoughts? God bless!
Yes, David and that that king were mistaken about how God operates. They didn't have Jesus sacrifice to show them what God is really like.
I never attribute evil actions of anyone to God. God does no evil and tempts no one to do evil.
 
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All things work together for the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose.
Evil is good for the people of God.
God uses it for good. That doesn't make evil good.
 
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The context says, "If the LORD has told him", It does not say "the Lord told him."

But verse 11 does have David saying, ““My own son is trying to kill me. Doesn’t this relative of Saul have even more reason to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it.” He doubles down on his assertion, understanding that the Lord has his reasons for doing things, and staying committed to God’s mercy by sparing Shimei’s life. The assertion is a trust in God, more than anything else
 
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Yes, David and that that king were mistaken about how God operates. They didn't have Jesus sacrifice to show them what God is really like.
I never attribute evil actions of anyone to God. God does no evil and tempts no one to do evil.

This is how I want to feel. I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t all the time, and that sometimes I do attribute evil to God when I get frustrated with people, but I know and believe in my heart that God does no wrong. Do you have an encouraging word?
 
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This is how I want to feel. I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t all the time, and that sometimes I do attribute evil to God when I get frustrated with people, but I know and believe in my heart that God does no wrong. Do you have an encouraging word?
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.” (James 1:13-14)
The righteous will flourish like a palm tree, and grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Planted in the house of the LORD, they will flourish in the courts of our God.In old age they will still bear fruit; healthy and green they will remain,
to proclaim, “The LORD is upright; He is my Rock, and in Him there is no unrighteousness.”
 
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“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.” (James 1:13-14)
The righteous will flourish like a palm tree, and grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Planted in the house of the LORD, they will flourish in the courts of our God.In old age they will still bear fruit; healthy and green they will remain,
to proclaim, “The LORD is upright; He is my Rock, and in Him there is no unrighteousness.”

thank you
 
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Yes, David and that that king were mistaken about how God operates. They didn't have Jesus sacrifice to show them what God is really like.
I never attribute evil actions of anyone to God. God does no evil and tempts no one to do evil.
God tests people and they will do evil as a result of the test. For instance, God tested Abraham to see how much he believed God's promise. Genesis 22:1
 
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