Is adultery just a classification charged to womern?

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Dkh587 is correct. Adultery is sexual relations between a man and another man's wife. Not with his own wife(s). Any other definition is wrong and likely due to mistranslation.

That is not anything close to what my doctrine is. Again you make false accusations.

If a wife sleeps with a man that is not her husband, it is adultery.

If a virgin sleeps with a man she is his wife(assuming no unlawful act like incest)
You just caught yourself in a lie and a contradiction...first you said adultery is only when a married person sleeps with another married person...now you say it is also when a married person sleeps with an unmarried person lol!

Thank you so much for the giggles
 
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No, because adultery is sex between a married woman and a man other than her husband, ie what happened between David & Bathsheba. The man is just as guilty as the woman. Israel was depicted as an adulterous wife whoring around worshipping other gods, like a wife sleeping with men other than her husband.

It is not a sin for a man to have multiple wives, nor is that adultery.
It's not? How many can I have? :)
Seems like I read something new testament about having one wife.
 
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Dkh587 is correct.

The qualifications for bishops and deacons may possibly prohibit polygynists from the clergy. Aside from that, there is nothing in the NT against polygyny. This word "mia" has multiple definitions and it seems highly unusual for the many polygynous saints in the church at that time to suddenly be banned from clergy, without so much as a complaint from them.

Rome attempted to force monogamy on the Jews, but failed. An exception was allowed for Jews to practice polygyny until the Ashkenazis banned it. However this is one sect of Judaism and other sects like Sephardis(me), never accepted any such ban on polygyny. Sephardis are also the dominant sect in Israel today.

Renniks, polygyny is not about a greedy rich man hogging a harem of wives while other men have none. It is about providing wives with a husband in events of extreme gender disparity(such as war), for providing for widows, for increasing population(multiply and fill the Earth), and for allowing more freedom of choice for women(they are free to choose any man even if married). This prevents disadvantaged women from never marrying, being prostitutes, and unjust divorce(a man divorcing his old wife for a young one, better to keep them both).

Polygyny is not for everyone and it isn't forced. It is not a sin according to the Bible. Converts to Christianity from Islam with 4 wives should NOT divorce them upon conversion.
 
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It's not? How many can I have? :)
Seems like I read something new testament about having one wife.
There is nothing in the Torah prohibiting a man having multiple wives. In fact, God depicts himself as a man married to 2 women - Israel & Judah. Notice that Israel and Judah were guilty of adultery - they were whoring around with other gods - in essence, they were stepping out on their husband and having sex with other men.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also


There is no limit, but I don’t think you should go and start marrying multiple women, it just wouldn’t be a sin for you to do so, which is my point. If you are in the USA, you probably can’t legally do so anyways. It’s not a requirement.

Remember when King David slept with Bathsheba? That was adultery - he had sex with another man’s wife. Look what God told David after the whole debacle with Uriah and his wife:

2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

notice that God gave David multiple wives, and would have given him even more, yet God condemned David for his adultery.

This is because David having sex with Uriah’s wife was adultery, which is a sin, but he was not sinning by having multiple wives.
 
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There is no limit, but I don’t think you should go and start marrying multiple women, it just wouldn’t be a sin for you to do so, which is my point.
My wife may disagree.
There is nothing in the Torah prohibiting a man having multiple wives. In fact, God depicts himself as a man married to 2 women - Israel & Judah. Notice that Israel and Judah were guilty of adultery - they were whoring around with other gods - in essence, they were stepping out on their husband and having sex with other men.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also


There is no limit, but I don’t think you should go and start marrying multiple women, it just wouldn’t be a sin for you to do so, which is my point. If you are in the USA, you probably can’t legally do so anyways. It’s not a requirement.

Remember when King David slept with Bathsheba? That was adultery - he had sex with another man’s wife. Look what God told David after the whole debacle with Uriah and his wife:

2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

notice that God gave David multiple wives, and would have given him even more, yet God condemned David for his adultery.

This is because David having sex with Uriah’s wife was adultery, which is a sin, but he was not sinning by having multiple wives.
So how many do you have?
 
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Dkh587 is correct.

The qualifications for bishops and deacons may possibly prohibit polygynists from the clergy. Aside from that, there is nothing in the NT against polygyny. This word "mia" has multiple definitions and it seems highly unusual for the many polygynous saints in the church at that time to suddenly be banned from clergy, without so much as a complaint from them.

Rome attempted to force monogamy on the Jews, but failed. An exception was allowed for Jews to practice polygyny until the Ashkenazis banned it. However this is one sect of Judaism and other sects like Sephardis(me), never accepted any such ban on polygyny. Sephardis are also the dominant sect in Israel today.

Renniks, polygyny is not about a greedy rich man hogging a harem of wives while other men have none. It is about providing wives with a husband in events of extreme gender disparity(such as war), for providing for widows, for increasing population(multiply and fill the Earth), and for allowing more freedom of choice for women(they are free to choose any man even if married). This prevents disadvantaged women from never marrying, being prostitutes, and unjust divorce(a man divorcing his old wife for a young one, better to keep them both).

Polygyny is not for everyone and it isn't forced. It is not a sin according to the Bible. Converts to Christianity from Islam with 4 wives should NOT divorce them upon conversion.

There is nothing in the Torah prohibiting a man having multiple wives. In fact, God depicts himself as a man married to 2 women - Israel & Judah. Notice that Israel and Judah were guilty of adultery - they were whoring around with other gods - in essence, they were stepping out on their husband and having sex with other men.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also


There is no limit, but I don’t think you should go and start marrying multiple women, it just wouldn’t be a sin for you to do so, which is my point. If you are in the USA, you probably can’t legally do so anyways. It’s not a requirement.

Remember when King David slept with Bathsheba? That was adultery - he had sex with another man’s wife. Look what God told David after the whole debacle with Uriah and his wife:

2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

notice that God gave David multiple wives, and would have given him even more, yet God condemned David for his adultery.

This is because David having sex with Uriah’s wife was adultery, which is a sin, but he was not sinning by having multiple wives.

My wife may disagree.

So how many do you have?
@renniks Well the question of this thread wasn't dealing with polygamy...and the answer to our sister's question was answered quite a while ago. And it was already answered a few pages back when sister visionary asked why the men in Bible who had concubines and multiple wives weren't charged with adultery.

And somehow the idea that adultery can only be committed by a married person with another married person was falsely introduced and just came out of the blue....
 
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My wife may disagree.

So how many do you have?
I’m sure she would - many women in modern times would disagree with it, but God defines what sin is, not our personal opinions or husbands/wives.

like I and @Torah Keeper said, it’s not a requirement! Nobody is saying you must do so, should do so, need to do so etc. just that it’s not a sin to do so.

I am not married. If I was, I would probably not have multiple wives.
 
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I’m sure she would - many women in modern times would disagree with it, but God defines what sin is, not our personal opinions or husbands/wives.

like I and @Torah Keeper said, it’s not a requirement! Nobody is saying you must do so, should do so, need to do so etc. just that it’s not a sin to do so.

I am not married. If I was, I would probably not have multiple wives.
If you did I bet you would soon wish you didn't. Remember Jacob?
 
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Do you think the multiple wices came not rom God but from lust and power plus exposure to the infidels?
Hmmm...well...if we conclude that it didn't come from God then we'd be hard pressed to explain why He explicitly told David He would've given himnmore wives and riches if the ones he had weren't enough. And let's not forget that the Jacob originally wanted only Rachel but, was tricked by Laban into sleeping with and marrying Leah first while drunk in the night; and Rachel became his second wife whom he truly loved...then later in his story both sisters give him their slaves as his 3rd and 4th wives just so they could get a one-up on the other. Abraham had a similar case where he.was completely fine with Sarah, but she later gave him Hagar as a second wife to bear her a child.

So while I can't say with a well researched number how many of these marriages are because of infidel influence and power...I'd say that not all were for the reasons you listed. Before our modern day many women would be hard pressed to find support for themselves, so they volunteer to be an additional wife so they could be supported.
 
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If you did I bet you would soon wish you didn't. Remember Jacob?
MAybe, maybe not.

I remember Jacob, yes.

In my country, the USA, only monogamy is legal, yet divorce rates are extremely high.

Monogamy certainly has its fair share of troubles, which doesn’t help your argument considering that it is the original/ideal form of marriage.

If we try to discredit polygyny because of some turbulence recorded in the Bible, we should also discredit monogamy because of the overwhelming turbulence in monogamous marriages that fall apart in divorce in our very own modern life.
 
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MAybe, maybe not.

I remember Jacob, yes.

In my country, the USA, only monogamy is legal, yet divorce rates are extremely high.

Monogamy certainly has its fair share of troubles, which is ironic considering that it is the ideal form of marriage.

If we try to discredit polygyny because of some turbulence recorded in the Bible, we should also discredit monogamy because of the overwhelming turbulence in monogamous marriages that fall apart in divorce in our very own modern life.
What does turbulent relationships have anything to do with God's original plan? Changing things because of sin, doesn't make it right. God's purpose and plan in the beginning was perfect until sin entered the picture. My original question has to do with "adultery" charge only against women. Do you think men drank the bitter water to prove his innocence?

Numbrs 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:

17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thing to rot, and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
 
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What does turbulent relationships have anything to do with God's original plan? Changing things because of sin, doesn't make it right. God's purpose and plan in the beginning was perfect until sin entered the picture. My original question has to do with "adultery" charge only against women. Do you think men drank the bitter water to prove his innocence?

Numbrs 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:

17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thing to rot, and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

I could be wrong, but the context of this situation seems to be a man suspecting his wife had sexual relations with another man, and not a woman being caught in the act of adultery, which requires both to be killed:

Numbers 5:13 ESV
she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her, since she was not taken in the act

Notice that there is no witness and she was not caught in the act. If she was, she and the man she was committing adultery with are to be charged and killed.

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If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
 
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All sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is immoral, and therefore sin. Adultery is when a married man or married woman is having sex with someone not their spouse. Concubines were a custom in ancient times, they were considered chattel. God intended one man with one woman for life.
 
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Concubines are wives. The word concubine was used because the RCC and most of her Protestant offshoots don't consider any wife past the first to be legitimate. Calling them concubines instead of wives was used to support the Roman ban on polygyny.

Of course this runs into problems with the patriarchs, prophets, kings, and saints, who were polygynous. Solomon's 300 wives and 700 concubines is also translated 300 queens and 700 princesses. Either way that's a lot.

But wife and concubine are interchangable terms. Jacob's wives are called concubines in one verse and wives in another.
 
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Dkh587 wins again.
Unless you two are righteous virgins like Abel...there may be good reason to believe from the context of your posts in this thread why you're not married and don't have children...and have failed to understand the point of the thread by ignoring it's title.
 
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What does turbulent relationships have anything to do with God's original plan? Changing things because of sin, doesn't make it right. God's purpose and plan in the beginning was perfect until sin entered the picture. My original question has to do with "adultery" charge only against women. Do you think men drank the bitter water to prove his innocence?

Numbrs 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:

17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thing to rot, and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Seeing that the Laws of adultery apply to both men and women I don't see why this particular Law wouldn't apply to the man as well. Afterall the words of Christ make it clear that whether the man or woman initiate the divorce they are still guilty of adultery if they marry another while their spouse is alive. Therefore the context of the passage you cited--while written from the perspective of the man--is more showing how to deal with jealousy when it arises in the case of undetcted adultery or unfaithfulness, so the woman could also have this law applied to her husband.

My case example I cite for this is when the daughters of Zelophohad quetioned Moses about the inheritance their father left behind. According to the Law of Moses the inheritance would go to the eldest son, or closest surviving son next to the eldest should the eldest be dead or lose his inheritance. If Moses ruled that it only go to a male then these daughters would be made poor and have no means of support, and their fathers property and wealth would be lost to another tribe. After consulting God's counsel Moses was told the daughters' analysis was correct and that they were to marry a man from their father's tribe in order to properly receive the inheritance. This marriage would make the men sons-in-law in order for the property and welath to pass properly, but the inheritance would belong to the daughters as they are the seed of their father: this would ensure that their sons would get the inheritance they leave behind and their wealth wouldn't leave their tribe.

So because of these factors if you sister VIsionary suspect your husband of adultery you may apply this Law onto him. And while we don't have the physical Temple of God standing today on earth we do know God has His Temple in heaven with Yeshua acting as High Priest: therefore you wouldn't have any issue carrying out the curse and bitter waters.
 
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