Didn't you see that after mysteriously missing for a few days the death reports in Florida have gone down to near zero!
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The DeSantis COVID Surge in Florida grows...
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Didn't you see that after mysteriously missing for a few days the death reports in Florida have gone down to near zero!
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Remarkable how things improved once DeSantis stopped counties from reporting, isn't it?
The thing is, it will only give him a little breathing room for a short while. Eventually, it will all come out. But he's desperate. He wants us to believe, even though he had to ask Joe Biden to send respirators when the ICUs got so filled that Florida had no more of them, that the pandemic is ended in Florida, and everything is getting better.
He knows he's in trouble, and he doesn't know what to do, so he's just hiding the bad news right now.
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I'm sure he's trying to find a way. Maybe an order for hospitals to hide patient censuses, and make it a crime for health care workers to discuss the subject.
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Looks like public pressure had some effect. Today:
DeSantis says reporting local COVID data on daily basis ‘may not be a bad idea’
“It is a huge state, and I think that these waves are not necessarily uniform,” DeSantis said at a press conference in Jacksonville. “With these daily cases, those are reported publicly every day to the CDC so people have access to that. But in terms of breaking it down by county, that may not be a bad idea going forward. I know we used to look at that a lot.”
DeSantis’ remarks come weeks after experts began calling for the state to resume sharing more coronavirus data so citizens could be more informed about the state of their communities.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/co...ce=pushly&intcid=pushly_1264423#storylink=cpy
DeSantis says reporting local COVID data on daily basis ‘may not be a bad idea’
“It is a huge state, and I think that these waves are not necessarily uniform,” DeSantis said at a press conference in Jacksonville. “With these daily cases, those are reported publicly every day to the CDC so people have access to that. But in terms of breaking it down by county, that may not be a bad idea going forward. I know we used to look at that a lot.”
DeSantis’ remarks come weeks after experts began calling for the state to resume sharing more coronavirus data so citizens could be more informed about the state of their communities.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/co...ce=pushly&intcid=pushly_1264423#storylink=cpy
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Biden's charge of DeSantis ordering more ventilators has already been debunked.
"DeSantis’ office told CNN Wednesday that the request did not go through his office.
“The first he had heard of it was that reporter’s question to him. I can also confirm that no one in the Executive Office of the Governor was involved or aware of the request,” Christina Pushaw, DeSantis’ press secretary, said."
Someone else may have done ordered them, or someone may have unilaterally sent the ventilators. To be determined.
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That's the problem. DeSantis has already demonstrated that he will lie when he feels it would benefit him.
My first thought was that no one in their right mind would imagine that anyone in the state would do this without his knowledge. But on reflection, and on the fact that local governments and school districts are openly defying his orders to not protect citizens and school children, I'm thinking maybe he's losing control of the state government as well.
Someone from the state of Florida did. But as you suggest, it might be that in a dire emergency like this, they are just working around DeSantis regardless of his orders.
The White House questioned why the Florida governor would be against the federal government sending more Covid-19 medical equipment.
“As a policy, we don’t send ventilators to states without their interest in receiving the ventilators. I think the most important question here is why would you oppose receiving the ventilators when clearly you need those in your state given the percentage of hospitalisations that are occurring?” White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki told reporters on Wednesday afternoon.
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But an HHS spokesperson confirmed that 200 ventilators and 100 breathing devices were being sent to the state from the Strategic National Stockpile after that amount was approved last week, Local 10 first reported.
A spokesperson with the state’s Department of Health added that they were working with the federal government on getting necessary medical equipment for patients with Covid-19.
DeSantis says he’s unaware of Florida’s request for 300 ventilators from federal government
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Poll: As most governors get a boost from the pandemic, Florida’s governor is losing ground
Ron DeSantis’ popularity is down 7 points since before the coronavirus outbreak.
Florida Governor DeSantis loses support in new poll | wtsp.com
Ron DeSantis’ popularity is down 7 points since before the coronavirus outbreak.
Florida Governor DeSantis loses support in new poll | wtsp.com
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DeSantis struggles to get control of the narrative:
DeSantis also just blocked Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration from releasing realtime hospital reports on ICU and general capacity. It’s another ill-conceived move. The constantly updated reports didn’t only show the true COVID hospital situation in Florida, they provided a huge public service. If someone having heart palpitations needed hospital care, a quick look at the online data could reveal that the hospital a mile away is at ICU capacity, but a hospital 2 miles away is not. That’s the sort of data that DeSantis should be promoting — and could use in messaging for a future Presidential run. To be able to say, “this is how we do it in Florida — we’re a model of medical transparency ” could have mass appeal. But saying, “I ordered that information spigot turned off” does not.
For a smart guy, DeSantis seems to make some illogical messaging mistakes. Maybe he’s getting bad advice. Why block data if it helps you make your point? Why block Floridians from access to real-time hospital information? Separately, but similarly, why block the cruise industry from making sure only healthy people are boarding vessels? If people get sick on board, they’re almost assuredly going to end up in a Florida hospital — that only makes the Governor look bad.
Unless, of course, he’s hiding the numbers.
What Is Ron DeSantis Hiding About Florida’s COVID Situation?
DeSantis also just blocked Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration from releasing realtime hospital reports on ICU and general capacity. It’s another ill-conceived move. The constantly updated reports didn’t only show the true COVID hospital situation in Florida, they provided a huge public service. If someone having heart palpitations needed hospital care, a quick look at the online data could reveal that the hospital a mile away is at ICU capacity, but a hospital 2 miles away is not. That’s the sort of data that DeSantis should be promoting — and could use in messaging for a future Presidential run. To be able to say, “this is how we do it in Florida — we’re a model of medical transparency ” could have mass appeal. But saying, “I ordered that information spigot turned off” does not.
For a smart guy, DeSantis seems to make some illogical messaging mistakes. Maybe he’s getting bad advice. Why block data if it helps you make your point? Why block Floridians from access to real-time hospital information? Separately, but similarly, why block the cruise industry from making sure only healthy people are boarding vessels? If people get sick on board, they’re almost assuredly going to end up in a Florida hospital — that only makes the Governor look bad.
Unless, of course, he’s hiding the numbers.
What Is Ron DeSantis Hiding About Florida’s COVID Situation?
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This stuff gets so confusing. CDC Covid Data Tracking
I was looking at Florida, and then clicked deaths in the last 7 days. It said 18 for new deaths. Then 341 over 7 days. 1.5 - 2.4 per 100,000. There are other states higher than Florida, and of course those that are lower.
They don't break it down unless I missed for Covid and then the Delta Variant.
We hear about kids alot lately in the news, and yet when you click over to the 'Healthcare Settings", and new admissions for the age group UP to 17? 263 average for the week. Again doesn't break it down between the Covid 19 and then the Variant.
I was looking at Florida, and then clicked deaths in the last 7 days. It said 18 for new deaths. Then 341 over 7 days. 1.5 - 2.4 per 100,000. There are other states higher than Florida, and of course those that are lower.
They don't break it down unless I missed for Covid and then the Delta Variant.
We hear about kids alot lately in the news, and yet when you click over to the 'Healthcare Settings", and new admissions for the age group UP to 17? 263 average for the week. Again doesn't break it down between the Covid 19 and then the Variant.
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Presently, Ron DeSantis is forbidding counties to reveal their deaths; they send the data to him, and he releases his figures. Notice the sudden plunge in deaths after he took control? He's done this before:
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel on Tuesday reported that on Oct. 24 – ten days before the presidential election – Florida temporarily stopped including backlogged COVID-19 deaths in its daily tally of coronavirus fatalities. Two weeks after the election, the state again started consistently reporting the backlogged deaths, which are more than a month old.
By not including backlogged deaths for that roughly three-week period, an “astonishing pattern” emerged, resulting in a “mysterious gap” in COVID-19 deaths, according to the paper. The daily death numbers “publicized as Floridians turned out for early voting an Election Day were significantly lower than they otherwise would have been,” according to the Sun-Sentinel.
The story’s lead paragraph says the pattern “suggests the state manipulated a backlog of unrecorded fatalities, presenting more favorable death counts in the days leading up to the 2020 presidential election.”
Florida Gov. DeSantis: State Didn’t Manipulate COVID-19 Death Data before Election
Right now, you can't get accurate figures on COVID-19 deaths in Florida. They are now hidden from the public, and DeSantis releases whatever numbers he wants.
See just above. DeSantis is now keeping ICU data from the public as well. Which tells me that hospital spokesmen are correct in saying that the ICUs are overloaded:
Intensive care units in South Florida are filling up with coronavirus patients as hospital admissions push relentlessly upward.
Memorial Hospital West in Pembroke Pines reported only two of 40 adult ICU beds left Tuesday, according to state records. Memorial Hospital Miramar reported none available, with all 18 occupied. At Broward Health North in Deerfield Beach, just one of 32 beds was available. Baptist Hospital of Miami reported only six beds of 88 remaining.
Gov. Ron DeSantis, said hospitals across the state had “abundant capacity,” but he and his agencies have yet to publicly reveal how many hospital beds are occupied by COVID-19 patients. Instead, the state has released only the broader number of patients hospitalized for all causes.
A spokeswoman for the governor had promised the information would be made public, but at a news conference Tuesday in Miami the governor ducked a question on why this still hasn’t been done. He said the state had made plenty of data available.
“If you look, this report is something that you get — I get it every day from the Department of Health,” he said, holding up the state’s daily public COVID-19 report. “Obviously not everything is presented in this report, but just an unbelievable amount of data that’s available for folks.”
South Florida ICUs running out of beds as COVID-19 fills hospitals
But he won't release data on COVID-19 deaths, or ICU capacity left. For reasons it's not hard to figure out.
He's hoping that it's going to go away soon, and trying to give himself a little time to put off the truth. I don't think it's going to work for him.
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Classrooms full of students were sent home from Palmetto High School after a teacher tested positive for COVID-19.
In a message to families on Monday evening, Palmetto High reported “a case of COVID-19” and “direct exposures” to the infected person. On Tuesday morning, the Bradenton Herald received unverified reports that Palmetto High School had upwards of 100 possible exposures.
A reporter asked for the exact number of exposures, and after more than four hours, the district would only confirm that an “abnormal number of students” were quarantined. The Bradenton Herald then reached out to Scott Hopes, a school board member and epidemiologist.
Hopes said it was his understanding that more than 100 people were quarantined after possibly being exposed to a COVID-19 case at the school.
Carson Friend, a 10th-grade student at Palmetto High, said he knew of more than 80 people who were sent home on Monday.
https://www.bradenton.com/news/coronavirus/article245406890.html
This is a disaster in the making. The state of Florida has surrendered to the virus.
In a message to families on Monday evening, Palmetto High reported “a case of COVID-19” and “direct exposures” to the infected person. On Tuesday morning, the Bradenton Herald received unverified reports that Palmetto High School had upwards of 100 possible exposures.
A reporter asked for the exact number of exposures, and after more than four hours, the district would only confirm that an “abnormal number of students” were quarantined. The Bradenton Herald then reached out to Scott Hopes, a school board member and epidemiologist.
Hopes said it was his understanding that more than 100 people were quarantined after possibly being exposed to a COVID-19 case at the school.
Carson Friend, a 10th-grade student at Palmetto High, said he knew of more than 80 people who were sent home on Monday.
https://www.bradenton.com/news/coronavirus/article245406890.html
This is a disaster in the making. The state of Florida has surrendered to the virus.
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There is hope that DeSantis’s executive action won’t matter however, since now a number of counties in Florida have moved to reinstate mask mandates in violation of the governor’s order. The school boards of Orange County and Broward County have chosen to defy DeSantis’s ban on mask mandates and they did so before the governor was able to issue his follow-up threat to pull funding. When the threat came, Broward County backed off but then something amazing happened. Other counties and school boards joined in on the fight against DeSantis’s policy, including Leon County, Alachua County, and Marion County. This inspired Broward County, which covers Fort Lauderdale and Hollywood, to rejoin the fight. If DeSantis decides to follow through with his promise to penalize these local government bodies, it will launch a long series of legal battles that he may not be able to win. The Florida Governor has seen sagging approval numbers recently and is down to only a 44% approval rating in the state according to a recent survey from St. Pete Polls. If he chooses to wage this war while the pandemic continues to rip through the state, that decision would likely serve to damage him even more.
Florida Counties Defy DeSantis and MTG Might Run For President
More and more cities and districts are just defying DeSantis, putting the health of their citizens and students above his threats to retaliate.
Florida Counties Defy DeSantis and MTG Might Run For President
More and more cities and districts are just defying DeSantis, putting the health of their citizens and students above his threats to retaliate.
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While DeSantis no longer allows the public to get information about COVID-19 deaths, his administrations says that there were only 29 deaths from COVID statewide yesterday. But then there is this:
Refrigerated truck at Bethesda East Hospital in Boynton Beach, where more than 500 people were admitted for COVID-19 during the past week, according to HHS. The truck’s presence was confirmed by hospital communications. (Photo: BocaNewsNow).
They are used when hospital morgues are full and there's need for refrigerated space for bodies.
Meantime, the pandemic continues to surge in Florida:
But Gov. Ron says hardly anyone is actually dying. That's why he doesn't let counties report their deaths to anyone but him.
This isn't the first time he's done this:
May 2, 2020:
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
When the medical examiners’ list was available, it showed more deaths than the state’s count.
State officials have stopped releasing the list of coronavirus deaths being compiled by Florida’s medical examiners, which has at times shown a higher death toll than the state’s published count.
The list had previously been released in real time by the state Medical Examiners Commission.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
April 29, 2020:
When the Miami Herald sought information from the Miami-Dade Medical Examiner’s Office last month about COVID-19 deaths in the epicenter of Florida’s coronavirus outbreak, attorneys for the state health department moved to block the records from becoming public.
Emails and phone conference appointments obtained through a public records request show that, while medical examiners across Florida had already released details about deaths in their counties, attorneys for the state spent more than a week trying to convince their counterparts in Miami-Dade County not to provide that information to the Herald.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
Refrigerated truck at Bethesda East Hospital in Boynton Beach, where more than 500 people were admitted for COVID-19 during the past week, according to HHS. The truck’s presence was confirmed by hospital communications. (Photo: BocaNewsNow).
They are used when hospital morgues are full and there's need for refrigerated space for bodies.
Meantime, the pandemic continues to surge in Florida:
But Gov. Ron says hardly anyone is actually dying. That's why he doesn't let counties report their deaths to anyone but him.
This isn't the first time he's done this:
May 2, 2020:
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
When the medical examiners’ list was available, it showed more deaths than the state’s count.
State officials have stopped releasing the list of coronavirus deaths being compiled by Florida’s medical examiners, which has at times shown a higher death toll than the state’s published count.
The list had previously been released in real time by the state Medical Examiners Commission.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
April 29, 2020:
When the Miami Herald sought information from the Miami-Dade Medical Examiner’s Office last month about COVID-19 deaths in the epicenter of Florida’s coronavirus outbreak, attorneys for the state health department moved to block the records from becoming public.
Emails and phone conference appointments obtained through a public records request show that, while medical examiners across Florida had already released details about deaths in their counties, attorneys for the state spent more than a week trying to convince their counterparts in Miami-Dade County not to provide that information to the Herald.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
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American Journal of Public Health April 2020
Analysis of Excess Deaths During the COVID-19 Pandemic in the State of Florida
Objectives. To determine the number of excess deaths (i.e., those exceeding historical trends after accounting for COVID-19 deaths) occurring in Florida during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Methods. Using seasonal autoregressive integrated moving average time-series modeling and historical mortality trends in Florida, we forecasted monthly deaths from January to September of 2020 in the absence of the pandemic. We compared estimated deaths with monthly recorded total deaths (i.e., all deaths regardless of cause) during the COVID-19 pandemic and deaths only from COVID-19 to measure excess deaths in Florida.
Results. Our results suggest that Florida experienced 19 241 (15.5%) excess deaths above historical trends from March to September 2020, including 14 317 COVID-19 deaths and an additional 4924 all-cause, excluding COVID-19, deaths in that period.
Conclusions. Total deaths are significantly higher than historical trends in Florida even when accounting for COVID-19–related deaths. The impact of COVID-19 on mortality is significantly greater than the official COVID-19 data suggest.
Analysis of Excess Deaths During the COVID-19 Pandemic in the State of Florida
Objectives. To determine the number of excess deaths (i.e., those exceeding historical trends after accounting for COVID-19 deaths) occurring in Florida during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Methods. Using seasonal autoregressive integrated moving average time-series modeling and historical mortality trends in Florida, we forecasted monthly deaths from January to September of 2020 in the absence of the pandemic. We compared estimated deaths with monthly recorded total deaths (i.e., all deaths regardless of cause) during the COVID-19 pandemic and deaths only from COVID-19 to measure excess deaths in Florida.
Results. Our results suggest that Florida experienced 19 241 (15.5%) excess deaths above historical trends from March to September 2020, including 14 317 COVID-19 deaths and an additional 4924 all-cause, excluding COVID-19, deaths in that period.
Conclusions. Total deaths are significantly higher than historical trends in Florida even when accounting for COVID-19–related deaths. The impact of COVID-19 on mortality is significantly greater than the official COVID-19 data suggest.
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Many of your articles are from last year.
If he manipulated numbers like Cuomo did? He will get nailed just like Cuomo did.
Two months later, finding Florida COVID data by county can be frustrating — but possible
You just have to know where to look. We tell you where.
Here is an article from yesterday, and shows you how to look for numbers - and where.
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While DeSantis no longer allows the public to get information about COVID-19 deaths, his administrations says that there were only 29 deaths from COVID statewide yesterday. But then there is this:
Refrigerated truck at Bethesda East Hospital in Boynton Beach, where more than 500 people were admitted for COVID-19 during the past week, according to HHS. The truck’s presence was confirmed by hospital communications. (Photo: BocaNewsNow).
They are used when hospital morgues are full and there's need for refrigerated space for bodies.
Meantime, the pandemic continues to surge in Florida:
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But Gov. Ron says hardly anyone is actually dying. That's why he doesn't let counties report their deaths to anyone but him.
This isn't the first time he's done this:
May 2, 2020:
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
When the medical examiners’ list was available, it showed more deaths than the state’s count.
State officials have stopped releasing the list of coronavirus deaths being compiled by Florida’s medical examiners, which has at times shown a higher death toll than the state’s published count.
The list had previously been released in real time by the state Medical Examiners Commission.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
April 29, 2020:
When the Miami Herald sought information from the Miami-Dade Medical Examiner’s Office last month about COVID-19 deaths in the epicenter of Florida’s coronavirus outbreak, attorneys for the state health department moved to block the records from becoming public.
Emails and phone conference appointments obtained through a public records request show that, while medical examiners across Florida had already released details about deaths in their counties, attorneys for the state spent more than a week trying to convince their counterparts in Miami-Dade County not to provide that information to the Herald.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
You are posting stuff that doesn't make any sense.
You said:
Yet, your linked article says:
I also googled this story, and no one else is reporting on this. The media would be all over this, but no other source is.
This statement from the article also contradicts itself.
Florida stopped reporting numbers - then more than 250 hospitals are reporting directly to the Feds. I mean which is it? They stopped reporting or they are reporting. I think the author needs to clean that part up.
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You complain about bias news sources, and yet you link to MSNBC? lol.
I realize people are upset because he wants to give parents the choice whether to mask their kids are not.
There are many parents in the country that want this choice for their kids. Then you have those that feel they need to make decisions for everyone, and you don't agree with them they get irate.
Florida isn't the only state that is doing this.
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No, I don't, so long as they use sources that can be checked. If they cite checkable facts, why would it matter? If they don't I'd be checking it out, no matter who presented it. Even if Fox or other right-wing source reported it, as long as they support their claims with checkable sources, it's good.
Because they documented their facts. That matters. Who documents the facts does not matter.
Yes. Notice I said "He's done this before"? I was documenting the fact.
Because he wants to expose their kids to a dangerous illness for political reasons. That's why more school districts are defying his orders and protecting the kids anyway.
Yes. The governor of Texas also threatened school districts if they protected their children. And now, more and more the districts are just ignoring him, and doing the right things anyway.
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