Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

Do you sin ?


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That was so beautifully stated, fhansen.

My only thought is that I don’t think I will ever reach perfection, not even in eternity, since only God is perfect.

In heaven, we don't really even exist in the same way we see ourselves now. We will BE the body of Christ. Glorified. It is not that we will be God himself, but one with him. 'Part of him' if I may be so bold. (One relative of mine affirmed the notion that we will be like the 4th person of the trinity. I can't go that far, but the idea is maybe even that pure, that holy; certainly that much dependent on him for our identity.)

It is for him we were created. He made us for that purpose. Our sanctity in Heaven is not the result of our spiritual accomplishment on Earth. Our personality in Heaven is, but our holiness is the result of Christ's perfect and complete substitution in our place. What we so badly want to be like will be what we are. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled."
 
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In heaven, we don't really even exist in the same way we see ourselves now. We will BE the body of Christ. Glorified. It is not that we will be God himself, but one with him. 'Part of him' if I may be so bold. (One relative of mine affirmed the notion that we will be like the 4th person of the trinity. I can't go that far, but the idea is maybe even that pure, that holy; certainly that much dependent on him for our identity.

It is for him we were created. He made us for that purpose. Our sanctity in Heaven is not the result of our spiritual accomplishment on Earth. Our personality in Heaven is, but our holiness is the result of Christ's perfect and complete substitution in our place. What we so badly want to be like will be what we are. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled."

I like all that Mark. (Well, except the trinity part) ;)

Thank you for sharing
 
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KluteDavid: "Love covers a multitude of sins.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith."


KluteDavid, is missing one scripture there, mentioning love covering a multitude of sins, but seemingly, ignorantly unaware of the other description, that FIRST, the sinner is converted from the error of their way ( sinning was their error) then the sins are hidden/forgiven.

Charity is next, what that converted man does, because without it, and by continuing to do hatred, no sins are covered, hidden or forgiven..


James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
 
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"I thoroughly agree, although I would add that if one thinks he can go without sinning, he is neglecting the teachings about 'the old man' within us. To put it mathematically, apart from Christ we are sinful, and 'the old man' is apart from Christ. If God was to show us all the sin within us at once, who could stand?"

What teachings do you think you have about the "old man" ?




Here are the teachings of God. The old man is crucified with Him, to deny that our old man is destroyed, is to deny Christ died in the flesh...



Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


Then, and only then, we confess Christs raising from the dead, automatically, by our walking in newness of life, and by doing the oldness of the letter we are denying Christs rising from the dead too..



Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



Summed up:


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
 
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"Therefore, 1Jn. 3:9 is not saying those who have God's Spirit cannot sin, but that they choose to not commit sin. They have chosen to live in accordance with the Law and Commandments of God to the best of their ability, as they reject sin (1Jn. 3:4) because they fear (have a deep respect and reverence for) God and wish to obey Him in faith (i.e. trust).

When we do sin, we are to repent and continue to strive to live in accordance with God's will."



The best of their ability is nothing...

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.



Now, hear the actual words, WHAT THE LAW COULD NOT DO, Jesus did do, for the righteousness of the law to be fulfilled in man now, by the Spirit given to NOW WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT ( NOT THE FLESH THEY WALK BY ANY MORE AS BEFORE)..


Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Breaking the law, breaks mans circumcision. Then the Gentiles ( the uncircumcision) keeps the righteousness of the law, TO FULFIL THE LAW, compared to the Jew transgressing the law and left uncircumcised..



Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore IF THE UNCIRCUMCISION KEEP THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?


Those doers then are justified, which show the new covenant then of God, with the law written in their hearts , and a conscience is given by being circumcised and not uncircumcised in the Spirit..


Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)


The circumcision, have no confidence in the flesh to worship God in the Spirit, this is the circumcision of Christ, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, we being quickened together with Christ and that is how your sins are forgiven, as we WERE DEAD IN SINS And THE uncurcumcision of our flesh..



Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


It is a commandment to love your neighbour ( without working ill to them) it is a commandment to fulfil the law of righteousness/love/of Christ, which is Gods will and He accepts nothing less..


Romans 13:[URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2013%3A8&version=KJV']8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[/URL]
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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st worm 2: "p.s. - 1 John 3:9 includes (as has already been mentioned) the verb ποιέω (poieo) which the KJV translates as "commit". ποιέω is in the Greek present tense, which indicates an ongoing action (happening now and continuously), so v9 is best understood as follows, "no one who is born of God makes a practice of sinning..."."


I know the people on this forum, have no conscience, if you did you would be greatly ashamed.

Lets go with that summing up, that the one born of God does not practise sinning.

Also, what Christ destroyed of the devil, was not the practising of sin, but was sin, that is the WORKS OF THE DEVIL, ALL EVIL WORKS.

Then this also makes a separation, and it is not of the ones who practise righteousness, and who practise loving their brother, it is clearer than that, it is: the ones who do not do righteousness, do unrighteousness, and, the ones who do not love their brother, hate tgheir brother..

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Yes, it seems as if the Apostles are saying our sins ?

But they also say, in what you posted, and in what is the message they delivered to us, that if anyone does sin ( not themselves but those the message is given out to) we have an advocate with the Father ( not the Apostles saying we, meaning themselves, but we, as we are all one together when we follow Christ, who the message also tells to us, is the forgiveness for the whole world, as this is the we and ours they are speaking about, as the message they give is to all the world, to repent and to cease from the woks of the devil, which as known are, all unrighteousness and hatred, to now do all righteousness and the love of Christ ( the devils reasoning has lost as it is empty)..

1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
 
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In heaven, we don't really even exist in the same way we see ourselves now. We will BE the body of Christ. Glorified. It is not that we will be God himself, but one with him. 'Part of him' if I may be so bold. (One relative of mine affirmed the notion that we will be like the 4th person of the trinity. I can't go that far, but the idea is maybe even that pure, that holy; certainly that much dependent on him for our identity.)

It is for him we were created. He made us for that purpose. Our sanctity in Heaven is not the result of our spiritual accomplishment on Earth. Our personality in Heaven is, but our holiness is the result of Christ's perfect and complete substitution in our place. What we so badly want to be like will be what we are. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled."
We are in Christ, who is in the Godhead. We share all Christ's inheritance.
We are God's personal inheritance (Psalms 33:12; Ephesians 1:18),
treasure (Exodus 19:5; Deuteronomy 7:6, 26:18, Malachi 3:17)
and reward (Revelation 22:12).
 
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What teachings do you think you have about the "old man" ?




Here are the teachings of God. The old man is crucified with Him, to deny that our old man is destroyed, is to deny Christ died in the flesh...



Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


Then, and only then, we confess Christs raising from the dead, automatically, by our walking in newness of life, and by doing the oldness of the letter we are denying Christs rising from the dead too..



Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



Summed up:


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
This is an old fight there is no need to get into on this thread. You do believe there is 'indwelling sin', no? Good enough. My whole point is that sinlessness will not be achieved in this life. There is always more wrong with me. The notion that one has gone without sinning neglects that fact that God has not shown one all the sin within them.

To me, denying this is to redefine 'sin'. A dear friend of mine, a Wesleyan, said that since his 'Second Work of Grace', he has not sinned. I told him I'd like to ask his wife about that. He laughed and said, no, that what he meant was he had not intentionally sinned, in active rebellion. While I also disagree with that notion, I understood what he meant, and dropped the matter.
 
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"Our sanctity in Heaven is not the result of our spiritual accomplishment on Earth. but our holiness is the result of Christ's perfect and complete substitution in our place"

The perfection of Jesus was by laying His life down, it is the same route for us anyway..

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferiing.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Obey in the SAME:

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
 
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"We are in Christ, who is in the Godhead. We share all Christ's inheritance.
We are God's personal inheritance"

HERE IS HOW WE ARE TOLD TO INHERIT (REQUIREMENTS):

Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
 
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Mark Quayle:

"My whole point is that sinlessness will not be achieved in this life. There is always more wrong with me. The notion that one has gone without sinning neglects that fact that God has not shown one all the sin within them."

Mans words, he only answers for on judgement day.

Gods word, speaks directly against what you say, with the ones who do wrong, and to know what the sin is within them..


Those who fornicate, or coveteous, are the sinners denying Christ, and if the one who claims to be a believer in Christ, does that, and is also a railer, drunkard, they are described as a wicked person, to be put away or we also must go out of this world..

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Proverbs 14:10 The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.
 
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Mark Quayle:

"My whole point is that sinlessness will not be achieved in this life. There is always more wrong with me. The notion that one has gone without sinning neglects that fact that God has not shown one all the sin within them."

Mans words, he only answers for on judgement day.

Gods word, speaks directly against what you say, with the ones who do wrong, and to know what the sin is within them..


Those who fornicate, or coveteous, are the sinners denying Christ, and if the one who claims to be a believer in Christ, does that, and is also a railer, drunkard, they are described as a wicked person, to be put away or we also must go out of this world..

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Proverbs 14:10 The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Romans 6: 11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.

Colossians 3: 5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature

The flesh is still part of us, and sin must continually be put to death, pushed away, pushed out, rejected, etc. Do you need more Scripture?
 
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"The flesh is still part of us, and sin must continually be put to death, pushed away, pushed out, rejected, etc"


Your words speak different to the verses below.

What is on the earth, is put to death, or the wrath of God comes on the disobedient.

No more lying, as the old man and old deeds are put off.

The old man and ways cant be put off, until a new man is replaced.

Then, that is the renewing, and the new, when the man is in the knowledge and image of God.



Your own words, of flesh part of us, is not what is said at all, but is denying us being made now in the image of Christ..



Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Colissians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:



Romans 6, begins by speaking about the people such as yourself Mark, who think we can continue in sin and that we cant stop from sin.

That is why it is answered for you, God forbid and, KNOW YE NOT ?



Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?



likewise continues, for your rebuke, to not let sin reign in the body that is no longer in the flesh, neither continue ( as you are showing your opinion) to yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, now convert and be as those alive from the dead for your first time if you can believe the word you oppose..


Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.



You are blaspheming the message of God, so see what you are missing:


At your not knowing stage of God, we see the Father and declare to the non believer, so they can have fellowship with us, to have fellowship also with the Father.


This is the message heard of the Father, declared to those who have not heard or seen Him ( right ? )


1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.



1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


So, seeing as we understand now, that to see Him and hear Him, is to not sin, it makes more sense now Mark..



Remember, we are testified just above, that we lie not, seeing we have put off the old man and the old ways, so it tells who is lying, when they lie to one another, thinking that is permitted and that, that sin is not done and them guilty for it..


1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
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"We are in Christ, who is in the Godhead. We share all Christ's inheritance.
We are God's personal inheritance"

HERE IS HOW WE ARE TOLD TO INHERIT (REQUIREMENTS):

Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
The born again share Christ's inheritance with him,
in addition to being God's personal inheritance (Psalms 33:12; Ephesians 1:18),
treasure (Exodus 19:5; Deuteronomy 7:6, 26:18, Malachi 3:17)
and reward (Revelation 22:12).
 
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"The born again share Christ's inheritance with him,
in addition to being God's personal inheritance "

And, is it possible to not sin ?

It is impossible for the ones enlightened to renew again to repentance, once they bear thorns and briars/sins..

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Do they promise us liberty and are servants of corruption, speaking about the inheritence ?

yes, and is better they never knew the way of righteousness, than turning away from it to their own vomit again..

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
 
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"The born again share Christ's inheritance with him,
in addition to being God's personal inheritance "

And, is it possible to not sin ?
See post #2.
It is impossible for the ones enlightened to renew again to repentance, once they bear thorns and briars/sins..
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Do they promise us liberty and are servants of corruption, speaking about the inheritence ?
Hebrews 6:4-8 is referring to apostasy; i.e., rejection of Jesus Christ as the atonement for their sin, which then leaves them in condemnation (Romans 5:18).
yes, and is better they never knew the way of righteousness, than turning away from it to their own vomit again..

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
 
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Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Colissians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Why must we mortify the members which are upon the earth, if they are not "upon the earth" —that is, of the flesh, as it says in other places? That was my whole point. It is still to be mortified, daily, continuously.



Romans 6, begins by speaking about the people such as yourself Mark, who think we can continue in sin and that we cant stop from sin.

That is why it is answered for you, God forbid and, KNOW YE NOT ?



Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?



likewise continues, for your rebuke, to not let sin reign in the body that is no longer in the flesh, neither continue ( as you are showing your opinion) to yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, now convert and be as those alive from the dead for your first time if you can believe the word you oppose..


Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.



You are blaspheming the message of God, so see what you are missing:


At your not knowing stage of God, we see the Father and declare to the non believer, so they can have fellowship with us, to have fellowship also with the Father.


This is the message heard of the Father, declared to those who have not heard or seen Him ( right ? )

WHERE do you get the notion that I "think we can continue in sin and that we can't stop from sin." I'd appreciate you not saying that I'm blaspheming, until you know what I am saying.

Again, why must we continue to mortify sin? Because it is there to be done.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Agreed totally, and without reservation. "Apart from me you can do nothing."

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


So, seeing as we understand now, that to see Him and hear Him, is to not sin, it makes more sense now Mark..



Remember, we are testified just above, that we lie not, seeing we have put off the old man and the old ways, so it tells who is lying, when they lie to one another, thinking that is permitted and that, that sin is not done and them guilty for it..

"Sinneth not" is present, continuous tense. The regenerated believer does not continue in sin! I have not said otherwise.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If you say you have no sin, the truth is not in you. Hello.
 
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"Hebrews 6:4-8 is referring to apostasy; i.e., rejection of Jesus Christ as the atonement for their sin, which then leaves them in condemnation (Romans 5:18)"

Romans 6, just like Romans 10, are warnings and exhortations, regarding the many who enter in at thew wide path to destruction, hence why again, it is told to enter with a true heart, which holds fast without wavering ( without stumbling ever)..

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The condemnation in Romans 5, is first warned to us in the Gospel of John..

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

That is why John sums it up again to clarify for the £believers" who think they can do that evil Jesus testified about, and think that they still know God, when told, they do not..

3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
 
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"That was my whole point. It is still to be mortified, daily, continuously."

Christ did not need to be mortified daily, but once and for all, that is how you become alive to righteousness.

It is why and how you can understand all old is passed away, because all became new, and we are risen with Him, so seeing we show the Lords death and rising through ourselves, to say we need to keep killing daily, is not beliving in all being done through Christ which is the day star risen in our hearts....

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:


"Again, why must we continue to mortify sin? Because it is there to be done."


Just your words and just your understanding.

It is exhortation to those who have not yet arisen with Christ, and when they are, all is dead and passed away, and on top of that, it is God writing His laws into our heart to keep them, through belief that Christ is riosen from the dead, and when you continue to have to try to mortify, or you fall away into sin ( as is your doctrine) you never believed He rose from the dewad, shown through your life of sin ( as Christ destroyed the works of the devil which are the need for trying to mortify your body)..

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


"The regenerated believer does not continue in sin! I have not said otherwise."


Of course you constantly keep saying, but are saying nothing through it.

You constantly think we are in the flesh, and will struggle with sin, but that is the exhortation to the many who do nothing of what Jesus did at all, walking as Jesus walked is without sin. That I can say and there is no other walk, and that is how we say we can be without sin.

Ceasing from sin, is the same mind as Christ, as all scripture testifies for us and as told to you, to say you sin and are a believer in Christ blasphemes Christ, because to be a believer in Christ is to testify through your body and life without sin, that Christ is risen in you, ( which is the will of God fulfilled in us/ sanctification, and sinning is not His will for us)..

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.


Then you will receive the reward of unrighteousness Mark Quayle, ( which is the sinning you profess to do and cant cease)

This is your deceivings, this is the false teachers predicted to come to this earth, denying Christ and pretending to believe in Him, many deceivers and many deceived.

The warnings do not speak saying, false teaching of obeying Christ, of never being defiled, of stopping sinning to now receive the reward of righteousness.

But the warnngs are against your doctrine Mark and al who speak like you defending sinning, saying we cant be without sin.

You either can or cannot cease from sin, the way you are trying to uphold ( without the bible in your side) is of not ceasing from sin.

Your wages of sinning are death:

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


That reward of still doing any unrighteousness ( all unrighteousness is sin) are the ones who beguiling and unstable, who cant cease from sin, they as told, forsake the right way following the way of Balaam, which follows heir unrighteousness and reward of death for that. The born of God does not do any unrighteousness/sin then.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Again the deceivers crept in, who deny Christ in works of abomination they profess they cant cease from doing, which is their turning of the grace of God into their lust/sin allowance. ( these are the testimonies, and of course it is fulfilled in your "ideas" which again is your denying of Christ as witnessed, just read or do not..


Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


The testimony is they defile the flesh, so unless your words turn around to show we never defile the flesh, then it is proven it is your "teaching" Mark.

Have you forsaken the right way, do you think it is the right way to show we cant be without sin ? Sin is coveting and lying, stealing, anything that can hurt your neighbour, who i is COMMANDED, to love and love works no ill to your neighbour ( ever)

But the brute beasts, speak corruption, so speak on, all the same as you are testified against, that is what these testimonies are for, instead of going after the doctrine of Balaam, which is only evil fruit, to be without the fruit of righteousness, because they do not FEAR GOD....

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
 
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Again, your insisting that we mortify daily, denies all the testimony, just read and see right now.

We being buried with Christ, now walk in newness of life.

We got the planting of the death together with Christ, now we are in the likeness of His resurrection.

The old is destroyed, so much for your mortifying of what is destroyed ( as told for you Christ destroyed the works of the devil 1 John 3). That is how we served unrighteousness/ the devil in his works, without any righteousness, now serve God/righteousness without any unrighteousness/sin.

The dead are FREED FROM SIN. You say we are not and need to keep working on being free.

Now we know Christ being raised from the dead dies no more ( we do not believe in having to remortify the flesh/body that is dead already) because death has no more dominion, it is FINISHED ADS JESUS TESTIFIED ON THE CROSS)

CHRIST DIED UNTO SIN ONCE, then rising from the dead, we know He lives, lives unto God( returns to Heaven as He is God and the Son of God was always there too)

LIKEWISE MISTER QUAYLE, we reckon, ourselves to be dead indeed to sin, and that is how we then move on ( as Jesus did) to life in righteousness, which is the same way to be alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Now, they are ALIVE FROM THE DEAD, and instruments of righteousness to God, not in the mortal body that can sin, doing unrighteousness against others, for as deasth has no more dominion over Christ, sin has no more dominion over us too, being under that grace of Christ ( not turning the grace of God into lust/sin as they try to teach)..

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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