Good deeds vs Sinning

"The wages of sin is death, Jesus paid the price, grace is not cheap."


Jesus is not cheap either.


That is why, those who take the grace of God in vain are warned about:


2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.


The ministry is not to be blamed by our offences, that is blasphemy to think we can be born again of God and continue to ask forgiveness for sins, and it is denial of Christ making us dead to sin by His death.




Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.


But the filthy dreamers we are told, continue to defile the flesh, by their turning of the grace of God into lasciviousness, denying the Lord Jesus Christ through it.

renniks said:

How many sins does one need to commit before he loses his salvation?

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I don't think it's a set number. We have the example of the beard: How many straws does it take to make a beard? Is one straw a beard? Two straws?

Maybe one grave sin can be enough. We know the story of David and Bathsheba.

renniks said:

Did David lose his salvation?
Or only the joy of his salvation?

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I don't know.

renniks said:

How many sins does one need to commit before he loses his salvation?

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How deep would one have to dig, for what he was doing to be considered a hole?

1 sin separates us from God.

zoidar said:

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
— Romans 8:1-2

So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh⁠— for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
— Romans 8:12-13

If we put to death the deeds of the body we will live. The question I have is, if we are born again do we do this "put to death the deeds of the body", or is it something we must strive to do.

I know from my own life I had a period I lived in sin, so I can't really say I did put to death the sinful deeds at that time of my life.

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You say.
If we put to death the deeds of the body we will live.

Scripture says
but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
— Romans 8:12-13

You say.
The question I have is, if we are born again do we do this "put to death the deeds of the body", or is it something we must strive to do.

Answer.
If you are Born Again, the Death of the deeds of the body has already taken place, it is then by the Holy Spirit in you as you live out your life in Christ that you walk out your Salvation thus putting to death the individual sins which beset you. (The Holy Spirit in you does the work)

In order to be considered to be Born Again, you have been Baptized, therefore you have died to the Flesh and have been risen with Christ unto newness of life in the Spirit

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This newness of life is a life IN THE SPIRIT.

You say.
I know from my own life I had a period I lived in sin, so I can't really say I did put to death the sinful deeds at that time of my life.

Answer.
When you submitted yourself to be Baptized, you put to death the deeds of the flesh.
Your living in sin as you say you did was a choice, you didn't lose your Salvation you just lived in sin.

renniks said:

Did David lose his salvation?
Or only the joy of his salvation?

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I think if David didn't lose salvation he was dead scared of losing salvation, which points to it being possible and that he was on the verge to do so.

Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
— Psalm 51:11

prophecy_uk said:

"Let's say I do a good deed this week: I know an acquaintance has medical bills to pay so I go to a GoFundMe account and contribute $25."


Answering before your question even goes on, to have treasure in Heaven took a lot more than your 25 dollar example, and the word is, to sell what you have and give it.


Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

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Not really. The rich young man was looking for a formula, so he asked Jesus what he must do to be saved. Jesus, effectively, told him "You already know the answer". But the rich young man persisted. Jesus didn't answer him directly. Notice that the answer "Go and sell all you have, then come follow me..." The rich young man went away. He didn't do it.

If you want reference, it is Mark 10:18-30, Luke 14:16-33, Acts 4:32-35, Proverbs 19:17, Proverbs 21:26, Hebrews 10:34, Philippians 3:8.



As for those confused what sinning is, and the purpose of the new covenant, it is the law written in the heart to keep them by the Holy Spirit, and sin is/was the transgression of the law..


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (Read from 1 John 3:3-10.)

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

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renniks said:

Then no one gets to heaven.

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But Jesus also gave us a way to be forgiven. He told the apostles "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained." So auricular confession allows one to be forgiven.

renniks said:

This presents a real life problem. Technically, you would be " unsaved" every time you sin, until you confess. That's at odds with nothing being able to separate us from the love of God.
Also I believe Christ is our priest, not any man.

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Really? We don't believe that. We believe God is all merciful. Confession is for us, more than God.

The protestant view, the Catholic view, on salvation, is all made up, created view, none of them are accurate, nor any other church group.

You are remembering David, without looking at all that occured and the very words of God.

David, despised the commandment of God, and despised God, and therefore evil comes to David, all the days of his life, out of his own house ( his son Absalom had to die because of this evil act) and the baby between the wife of Uriah and David died.

David did sin secretly, and this then is turned around by God, to be done in David in the sight of all.

Also, God is doing a purpose with David, and is why he did not die, but gave great occasion to Gods enemies( the ones who believe that sinning is always forgiven by God) to blaspheme Gods HOLY name.

The purpose of David making this error of sinning gravely, is because he is David on the throne, and Christ is linked to him on the throne of David, to take away their sins, by the sufferings of Christ, and David also then is included in the afflictions of David, AND WE RECEIVE THESE AFFLICTIONS TOO..

Psalm 132:1 Lord, remember DAVID, AND ALL HIS AFFLICTIONS:

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of THE AFFLICTIONS OF CHRIST in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

2 Samuel 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

The house of Israel was made an example, to despise the judgments of the Lord, and to all be destroyed in the wilderness, and for all who do the same to expect the same.



Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Ezekiel 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.




Israel continued to despise the law of the Lord, to not keep His commandments, to walk wrongly, they were punished for it, exiled away out of Israel...


Amos 2:4 Thus saith the Lord; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the Lord, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:



The priesthood changed, BECAUSE, the priests despised the name of the Lord, by having no fear of God, by working abomination and teaching the same..


Malachi 1: 6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?
7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.



All who despised the law of Moses * by breaking the law and commandments of God) were guilty to be punished with death.

Now, sorer punishment comes to both those who teach breaking the commandments of Christ are the only way we can be, and that they cant be kept.

They have no fear of God, but it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God..


Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


All is described, nobody has any excuse, the will of God is done now, ( but only by few who keep the commandments of Christ without breaking them) and all the rest discuss it around in circles, on the easier wide path to their destruction, the just do not draw back, as that is into perdition..


Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

renniks said:

Ok perhaps I misunderstood. The common protestant view would be that we are saved from all sin past, present and future upon initial salvation.
So confession our sins is to keep us in right relationship with God but we are already forgiven.

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And, to be fair, I mis-stated. You are, actually, unsaved every time you sin. But we believe God is all merciful, and forgives us. We still have to make restitution. Just like if you and I had a car accident, I was at fault, I told you I'm sorry, would I expect to be able to just go away and leave it like that? I'm sure you'd accept my apology, but you would expect your car to be made right, correct? Confession is to help repair the damage caused by our sins.

Root of Jesse said:

And, to be fair, I mis-stated. You are, actually, unsaved every time you sin. But we believe God is all merciful, and forgives us. We still have to make restitution. Just like if you and I had a car accident, I was at fault, I told you I'm sorry, would I expect to be able to just go away and leave it like that? I'm sure you'd accept my apology, but you would expect your car to be made right, correct? Confession is to help repair the damage caused by our sins.

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I don't think we yo-yo in and out of salvation... that doesn't sound like a very comforting doctrine. Either we are a child of God or we are not.

The reasoning of you two others, is not very helpful.


Root of Jesse: "And, to be fair, I mis-stated. You are, actually, unsaved every time you sin. But we believe God is all merciful, and forgives us. We still have to make restitution. Just like if you and I had a car accident, I was at fault, I told you I'm sorry, would I expect to be able to just go away and leave it like that? I'm sure you'd accept my apology, but you would expect your car to be made right, correct? Confession is to help repair the damage caused by our sins."

That is correct reasoning, if we hurt someone, something, we make restitution.

Then you are again, correct in saying, we cause damage by our sins.


The other people are also seen to be very confused. They think we are either in salvation, or not, AND, that we sin to be in that salvation also. They wont have a belief of making restitution for their sins, that indeed hurt others through their evil actions.


Now, Jesus lived a life as the Messiah, doing good to all, hurting nobody,and rebukes the disciples, who did not know what spirit they were of, to bring fire down on men as Elius did.

Because, unless Christ called them away from that evil path ( you can say of the paths they were driving) they would continue to always do hurt to somebody.

Jesus calls us out of that blinded mind and conscience, to follow Him, ( His path is unseen by man as they need eyes to see with given) and on that path there is no hurt at all, but yo now become harmless.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.


Can damage still be done, when you are to believe in being hamless, which is not sinning, but separate from sinners and undefiled, as our harmless High Priest, we become, to be without blame, and to be the harmless sons of God without rebuke, ( driving in the middle of this crooked perverse world, with our lights on so we don't crash into and hurt others, and them driving in blindness crashing all of the time, saying sorry but nver knew how to really mean it?