Is it possible not to sin ? (All sins)

.Jeremiah. said:

I’m curious why smoking would be a sin?

(I have never smoked)

So, just wondering.

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Did you know that Charles Spurgeon smoked? Didn't prevent him being one of the most fruitful preachers of the century.

.Jeremiah. said:

Thanks for sharing all that.

By the way, I had never sinned when Jesus died, so there were no sins of mine to be “nailed to the cross”

And the Lord cannot give me his righteousness. He is divine. I am not.

“not holding my sins against me”, I can get behind. My sins are meaningless to the Lord, they are not even seen.

imo

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How do you interpret: "He who knew no sin became sin on my behalf so that I become the righteousness of God in Christ"?

DaDaBrothers said:

Recently I woke to the Truth like it says in the Bible: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not[...]"
And I did very well for a month, I went from smoking every day to not smoking at all, and stopped other sins too. (Glory to God)
But as I kept studying the Word, I realized there is adultery at heart, and also murder at heart and I found these two simply impossible to obey, at least for me.
Sometimes it just slips out, I dont necessarily want to commit them, but, sometimes a girl my age more naked than covered, it happens, and when I see a dude with a mask, sometimes I start thinking to myself: " Wow, what a F# Id!" And it's only afterwards that I realize It is a sin and I should not be thinking this if im in Christ, right?
If Im walking in the Spirit, If im "Awake to righteousness[...] ", I should not be sinning, right ?
Or is it that I dont have Christ in me yet ? Maybe im not saved that's why I can sin.
I would say only Jesus Christ is sinless. We can only sin.. less.
So, my question Is it really possible to not sin at all? If not, How can I say im saved, or call myself a Christian if I commit sin everyday ?

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If our love was perfected, if we were completely bound to God, loving Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, all sin would be excluded. That love is what man’s justice or righteousness consists of, and that’s why the greatest commandments are what they are.

So theoretically, with God now, by the Spirit, yes, we can overcome all sin, putting to death the deeds of the flesh (Rom 8:13). And that is the road we must be on. But God doesn’t require absolute perfection immediately, even as we must be on the journey towards it. So in this body, in this life with our weaknesses, limitations, and tendency to be attracted to false gods or idols, we’ll sin.

It might have been helpful to clarify the question as it can be viewed in at least two different ways.

First, is it possible to never commit a single sin during one's life?

Second, is it possible to stop sinning altogether at some point in life?

However, that might be inconsequential as the answer to both is the same.

To the people discussing here with their own thoughts, ideas and opinions, it is exactly all you will have to answer with on judgement day, ( very soon) and do you have that much hope in your answers to God when your knee is bent, that He will let you stand again ?

Get some guidelines, know the full substance, and stop having differing conflicting opinions, it is your own soul you are throwing away, not anyone else's by not ceasing the strife, and instead of loving by "words" love by stopping that and begin deeds.

Speaking of love by deeds, do you think your soul will have an excuse that you are unaware/denying/hoping, that Apostle Paul was not chosen by God to be an example of turning from being the chief of sinners, to defend the faith he once destroyed?

Paul does not speak the words of God and not do them, he said hem and did them exactly. Have some stability in your minds sometime.

Read, Paul walked in the love of Christ now, and for that, did not do the ill that hurt others ( any more) because now was given to know by seeing the Holy one and Him being in us and one with us, that love ( who is God in us) of course works no ill through us to our neighbour, what nonsense to think we fail to love our neighbour as ourselves..

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.



The first example of failure of Israel, is as told, them unable to continue in the covenant of God, so they and that, are disregarded, now all is different ( even if you deny, skip around and resist) that the unloving heart of stone is removed, that the mind that had no law in it is replaced, by the mind of Christ being your mind now, by the spirit of disobedience in all, Ephesians 2:2, being the Spirit of Christ ( Christ was obedient unto death) and on top of that, you no longer live in the flesh to the previous lusts of men, you now live to the will of God ( His will being your sanctification and knowing how to possess our vessel in honour and not in the lust as the Gentiles, which through that, know not God. Now stop teaching one another, you are testified to be teaching nothing as told, or ignore every word until you cannot..



Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


No offence:

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

DaDaBrothers said:

Recently I woke to the Truth like it says in the Bible: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not[...]"
And I did very well for a month, I went from smoking every day to not smoking at all, and stopped other sins too. (Glory to God)
But as I kept studying the Word, I realized there is adultery at heart, and also murder at heart and I found these two simply impossible to obey, at least for me.
Sometimes it just slips out, I dont necessarily want to commit them, but, sometimes a girl my age more naked than covered, it happens, and when I see a dude with a mask, sometimes I start thinking to myself: " Wow, what a F# Id!" And it's only afterwards that I realize It is a sin and I should not be thinking this if im in Christ, right?
If Im walking in the Spirit, If im "Awake to righteousness[...] ", I should not be sinning, right ?
Or is it that I dont have Christ in me yet ? Maybe im not saved that's why I can sin.
I would say only Jesus Christ is sinless. We can only sin.. less.
So, my question Is it really possible to not sin at all? If not, How can I say im saved, or call myself a Christian if I commit sin everyday ?

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Love covers a multitude of sins.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

The goal of the Christian life is not sinlessness because that will never happen, in your lifetime. It is better to pursue loving others as Christ has loved us. That is how you know another Christian, they must bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

DaDaBrothers said:

So, since we all sin and can only confess and hope for forgiveness, how does the Bible tells us multiple times like: Dont sin, be "perfect" like your Father, keep my commands. Is this just a request ? It can't be an order, assuming it is impossible to follow, even after receiving the Holy Spirit.
The alternative is: he who sins does not have Christ in them because the Bible says the Holy Spirit cannot sin.
I must be missing something, when it says " sin not" is it a request and I try my best, or is it an order and I have failed?

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It would be a mistake to assume that the command implies the ability to obey.

.Jeremiah. said:

I couldn’t find your definition in the dictionary.

But, anyway, I fail to do what is right quite often.
Maybe every hour, but probably numerous times a day.

Therefore, I’m not righteous, except for those times that I actually DO God’s will. The rest of the time, I’m just little ole pain in the butt me.

That doesn’t mean I don’t strive to be better.

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I find many of those concepts quite alien to me.
Where do they come from?
(crediting accounts, atoning, satisfaction, merit)
So complex, when the Lord made it so easy.

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Do you know the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16), the word of the Lord, your Bible?

crediting accounts (Genesis 15:6)
atoning (Romans 3:25)
satisfaction (getting justice, Luke 18:5, 7)
merit (good works, Romans 4:5, 3:21, 28; Ephesians 2:8-9)

DaDaBrothers said:

Recently I woke to the Truth like it says in the Bible: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not[...]"
And I did very well for a month, I went from smoking every day to not smoking at all, and stopped other sins too. (Glory to God)
But as I kept studying the Word, I realized there is adultery at heart, and also murder at heart and I found these two simply impossible to obey, at least for me.
Sometimes it just slips out, I dont necessarily want to commit them, but, sometimes a girl my age more naked than covered, it happens, and when I see a dude with a mask, sometimes I start thinking to myself: " Wow, what a F# Id!" And it's only afterwards that I realize It is a sin and I should not be thinking this if im in Christ, right?
If Im walking in the Spirit, If im "Awake to righteousness[...] ", I should not be sinning, right ?
Or is it that I dont have Christ in me yet ? Maybe im not saved that's why I can sin.
I would say only Jesus Christ is sinless. We can only sin.. less.
So, my question Is it really possible to not sin at all? If not, How can I say im saved, or call myself a Christian if I commit sin everyday ?

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For how long are we talking about going sinless? The theif on the cross after Jesus said he would be with Him in pardice might have kept from sinning the rest of his life.
I would say you are looking at it the wrong way. You want to please God, so forget about "not sinning" and start thinking about what you could do in the next 30 minutes to please God. Keep that up and you will just not have time to sin.

bling said:

For how long are we talking about going sinless? The theif on the cross after Jesus said he would be with Him in pardice might have kept from sinning the rest of his life.
I would say you are looking at it the wrong way. You want to please God, so forget about "not sinning" and start thinking about what you could do in the next 30 minutes to please God. Keep that up and you will just not have time to sin.

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I thoroughly agree, although I would add that if one thinks he can go without sinning, he is neglecting the teachings about 'the old man' within us. To put it mathematically, apart from Christ we are sinful, and 'the old man' is apart from Christ. If God was to show us all the sin within us at once, who could stand?

So, yes, definitely, sin is more awful than we can know, so much so that focus on that is crippling. Our eyes need to be on Christ. Thank you for your post.

Mark Quayle said:

I thoroughly agree, although I would add that if one thinks he can go without sinning, he is neglecting the teachings about 'the old man' within us. To put it mathematically, apart from Christ we are sinful, and 'the old man' is apart from Christ. If God was to show us all the sin within us at once, who could stand?

So, yes, definitely, sin is more awful than we can know, so much so that focus on that is crippling. Our eyes need to be on Christ. Thank you for your post.

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Keep your eyes on the solution, not the problem.

DaDaBrothers said:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Very clear, Im sorry but if you sin you cannot have His seed in you, Im not "born of God", because I can sin, meaning His seed is not in me.
We "all have sinned" when we were of the devil, but when one is "born of God", and receives His Holy Seed, the same has no choice but to stop completely, because His seed cannot sin. Jesus buys you at the cost of His blood, and Jesus destroys sin.

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So is it possible to stop sinning? ( All sins )
Well "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" Thanks to God the answer is Yes, (Glory to God) Yes it is possible to stop sinning, not because of us, men, but because of God, His Holy Character and His Holy Seed that cannot sin.

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Your understanding contradicts a whole lot of NT.

The "way" is "narrow" indeed, almost everyone in here sins everyday. Anyways Thank You Brothers, I hope this has been edifying for everyone.

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It's always very important to review the original language of any Bible text - whether one knows that language or researches multiple direct translations of it in their native language. The reason for this is that many Bible translators have attempted to make the scriptures easy to understand, resulting in a text modified by personal beliefs and opinions. Unfortunately, all translations of the Bible suffer from this, not to mention the numerous translational errors and deliberate modifications that have been made over time.

Context is also of great importance when attempting to understand a particular passage.

There is a Greek word used several times in 1John 3:9-10 that must be included when studying the spiritual concept discussed there. That word is poieo, Strong's #4160, it means to make or do. Thus, the beginning of 1Jn. 3:8 states, "The one making the sin ..." and it refers to those who are in rebellion to God, deliberately making or doing sin. Verse 9 states, "The one having been born from God does not make sin ... This statement refers to those who are both conceived (by God's Holy Spirit while still physical people) and later are born as a true son of God (as a resurrected spirit-being at the first resurrection). The Greek word is gennao SGD #1080. It is they who do not make or do or practice sin anymore. However, while those who are conceived by God's Holy Spirit (i.e. adopted) remain physical human beings, they are still able to commit sin and are likely to do so from time to time. Not deliberately out of rebellion to God, rather, because they are still flesh and blood, can be influenced by the fallen host, and cannot be perfect as human beings (Phil. 3:12; Jas. 3:2; 1Jn. 1:8).

"And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1Jn. 2:1. NASB).

Therefore, 1Jn. 3:9 is not saying those who have God's Spirit cannot sin, but that they choose to not commit sin. They have chosen to live in accordance with the Law and Commandments of God to the best of their ability, as they reject sin (1Jn. 3:4) because they fear (have a deep respect and reverence for) God and wish to obey Him in faith (i.e. trust).

When we do sin, we are to repent and continue to strive to live in accordance with God's will.

Oscarr said:

Did you know that Charles Spurgeon smoked? Didn't prevent him being one of the most fruitful preachers of the century.

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Well said.

DaDaBrothers said:

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. ~1 Jn 3:9

Very clear, Im sorry but if you sin you cannot have His seed in you, Im not "born of God", because I can sin, meaning His seed is not in me.
We "all have sinned" when we were of the devil, but when one is "born of God", and receives His Holy Seed, the same has no choice but to stop completely, because His seed cannot sin. Jesus buys you at the cost of His blood, and Jesus destroys sin.
So is it possible to stop sinning? ( All sins )
Well "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible" Thanks to God the answer is Yes, (Glory to God) Yes it is possible to stop sinning, not because of us, men, but because of God, His Holy Character and His Holy Seed that cannot sin.
The "way" is "narrow" indeed, almost everyone in here sins everyday. Anyways Thank You Brothers, I hope this has been edifying for everyone.

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Hello again DaDaBrothers, if 1 John 3:9 means what you seem to believe that it does, then (as I believe Apollo 13 astronaut, Jim Lovell, is famous for saying, "Houston, we have a problem" ).

Consider again what 1 John 3 has to say ~in light~ of what the Apostle just finished saying in 1 John 1-2, taking note again of who John was addressing (believers ~at all levels of maturity~ in the faith), and taking SPECIAL note of the fact that the elder Apostle includes HIMSELF in the mix with the rest of us (of true believers who still need to confess/repent and be cleansed of our sins whenever we commit them .. see the words in bold type below).

God bless you!

--David
p.s. - 1 John 3:9 includes (as has already been mentioned) the verb ποιέω (poieo) which the KJV translates as "commit". ποιέω is in the Greek present tense, which indicates an ongoing action (happening now and continuously), so v9 is best understood as follows, "no one who is born of God makes a practice of sinning...".

So, while believers may continue to give into temptation and end up sinning at times, our lives are no longer "characterized" by sin, by an ~unrepentant, sinful "lifestyle"~, that is (like they were before we came to saving faith in Christ), or chances are more than just good that our "claim" of being a true believer is nothing more than that

Oscarr said:

How do you interpret: "He who knew no sin became sin on my behalf so that I become the righteousness of God in Christ"?

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Thanks for asking. I appreciate that.

Now I will try to answer:

So here goes.
The Lord needed to come to earth at that particular time, otherwise all of humanity would have gone to hell. The world was a crappy place, and the people entrusted to care for the Word had completely abandoned any true teaching. And they effectively tore it apart and perverted the truth within, for the benefit of a select few. Religious leaders. Which had been going on for most of the time the Jews had custody of the word. Witness their treatment of the prophets.

Why was the world so bad? Because the devil had literally taken over the world. Even people who wanted to be good, were unable, since the religious leaders blocked them from understanding the Word, and therefore blocked any understanding of goodness. Since goodness only comes from the Lord.

So, the devil needed to be subdued, and the only way for that to happen was for the Lord to take on a human form. The Lord in heaven cannot interact with hell.

The Lord’s time on earth, following his baptism, was this conquering of every possible hellish desire and every possible falsity arising from those evil desires. He needed to conquer them all. Not one could remain free. This is the taking on of ALL sin. We have no way of comprehending the agony and sorrow the Lord went through during this long process. And the sorrow he went through knowing that most people would still abandon him.
For example, the Lord conquered the hellish desire to get angry. (One of my problems). Since it has been conquered, I am freed from anger, IF I let him work within me by choosing him over myself. And I’m free, only to the extent that I trust in him to do the work.

Now, I can be righteous. And that righteousness comes from the Lord. But his righteousness is infinite, just as he is. And it’s eternal, without change. Mine is not. I may be righteous one moment, and then get angry with someone the next moment. My righteousness is only active when I’m following the Lord. I can only be righteous when I choose to DO what the Lord instructs. And even then, I am NOT righteous. It’s the Lord within me that is.

Keep in mind, nothing I say is true, and nothing I do is good.
I can only share what is within me. If I happen to be sharing the Lord within, then any goodness and truth are HIS alone, not mine, just like his righteousness.

Ok, that’s too much, so I will stop.
Just my thoughts.

Clare73 said:

Do you know the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16), the word of the Lord, your Bible?

crediting accounts (Genesis 15:6)
atoning (Romans 3:25)
satisfaction (getting justice, Luke 18:5, 7)
merit (good works, Romans 4:5, 3:21, 28; Ephesians 2:8-9)

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It is nice to hear from you today Clare.

I truly enjoy your posts.

I hope all is going well for you today.

fhansen said:

If our love was perfected, if we were completely bound to God, loving Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, all sin would be excluded. That love is what man’s justice or righteousness consists of, and that’s why the greatest commandments are what they are.

So theoretically, with God now, by the Spirit, yes, we can overcome all sin, putting to death the deeds of the flesh (Rom 8:13). And that is the road we must be on. But God doesn’t require absolute perfection immediately, even as we must be on the journey towards it. So in this body, in this life with our weaknesses, limitations, and tendency to be attracted to false gods or idols, we’ll sin.

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That was so beautifully stated, fhansen.

My only thought is that I don’t think I will ever reach perfection, not even in eternity, since only God is perfect.