This passage of the Bible is really mind-blowing

It is interesting. But don't think no one can have such faith. Especially when Yeshua spoke in parables and mountains are a symbol of governments.

We need to understand what faith is...

If HE SAYS to us "speak to yon mountain I need it moved" and we in obedience make that proclamation it will move. Not because we attain to some mindset but because HE SAID.

Faith comes from Hearing the Word of Christ.

So it is not a matter of us training our minds to believe - it is about learning to hear what HE WANTS.... and being obedient to proclaim HIS WORD that we have personally heard.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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But that incident happened after the transformation, when the miracle was that the child stopped throwing himself into the fire and the father’s help with unbelief. Mountain to molehill.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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Jesus' point was not that one needs a lot of faith. He went out of his way to say that is very little faith. The amount of faith is not the point, but the kind of faith. There is faith that is generated by God —not by man— by the Spirit of God. THAT is real faith, faith that knows and does not doubt. Faith that has direct connection to its source —God himself.

This is the faith by which we are saved.

I have a weird p o v that seems to connect. The child was cured by Jesus when the disciples couldn't cure him. When Jesus for lack of a better word, awakened the child, because they all thought he was dead, the child’s skin was like a new born. Maybe they were right, he did die. Maybe that was a lesson for Jesus that He did have the power to transform and His exodus was guaranteed. It is food for thought.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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Truth is we do.. as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. The kicker or shock is.. if you had faith the size of a mustard seed one of the smallest seeds you could move MTN! Remember Jesus in a town all He could do was lay hands a few and teach because of doubt. The word says. "But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;"

So when some say or make fun of those say "you don't have enough faith" take it up with God He said it. Now He also said "And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him." See what is His will? HIS WORD! Then to know with out faith its impossible to please GOD.

So just read what He said.. Its HIS word not mine or anyone else to tell you what HE really meant to say. One said Christ was not talking about that real MTN. What came before that verse? Peter telling Jesus.. wow look? That tree you cursed is now dead. "Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”

No where in that do you get the idea Jesus was talking about anything else but a real MTN! See with man.. duh thats stupid no one can do that..so Christ must have been talking about something else. MAN adds to what was written. Its doubt. HAHA Pray ask HIM what HE really meant.. it won't change. Is it not written .. here again about you must.. just have faith "Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”.

Why do you think He tells us to be like Children? Tel that child .. if you just believe you can move that MTN! Oh man he wont stop trying lol. They just believe.. as we get older we stop believing...and now we KNOW just what GOD/Christ can not really do.

So.. run with faith.. no matter what you see what you hear what you feel. Yeah its not .. but GOD what about so and so? Here..my moms husband (my dad died) Bob every where Bob went he always had that bible and everyone knew he was going to be healed. He never doubted. Yet he did die of cancer. What NO ONE heard saw.. was the day just me and him driving..he stops the car starts to cry.. he didn't believe God would heal him. GOD can not go against your will. This is just one reason.. DOUBT the word tells us we won't get anything from God. How we talk...what we listen to watch on and on.. how we eat. Yet.. there are those that.. oh lord I believe.. please help my unbelief! YES He helps. Or those that say oh lord I know you can but do you want to? YES He always does.

Put your faith in the Doctor if you lack faith. Knowing GOD will show them help them.. on and on. But to out right doubt.. we won't get anything from Him. Delight your self in the lord HE will give you the desires of your heart. What ever you ask the Father in my name He will give it. What ever you desire when you pray believe you receive it and you will have it. HIS WORD IS HIS WILL! You ask according to whats in the word. Always making sure it goes in line.

Anyway.. your right.. FAITH is the only thing that pleases God.. Jesus said..well He find faith in the earth. He is in you.. He will finish what He started. Not what you see hear or feel.. walk by faith. Not what I say.. if its written.. yeah He really is smart enough to tell you " a sorry..thats not what I meant". Yeah.. HE really can tell you that... lol

For me.. always read above and below a verse man thanks for this.. loved IT!

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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Yes, I really like that one as well.

I already moved a mountain. It took a while to figure it out.
Actually more study of the Bible.
Usually understanding a single verse or two only comes after continued study.

Torah Keeper was right when he said that Christ spoke in parables (almost exclusively) and that the word "mountains" in the Bible is often used figuratively in reference to governments, positions of authority, etc.

In this case, it refers to the rebellious heavenly host who oppose God's people. However, they can be moved (out of their positions of authority) by those who have enough faith.

It was also stated by another poster that faith needs to be correctly understood. This is true and of greater significance than many realize.

Unfortunately, faith is generally believed to mean essentially the same thing as belief. Thus, simply believing strongly in something (basically blind faith) has become the assumed meaning wherever the word faith is used.

The most common Greek word translated as "faith" in the English NT is pistos. It means trust. Real Biblical faith is trust. To have faith in God is to trust Him.

What's the difference?

When you trust (or trust in) someone, you are confident that if you act upon what they say it will turn out as expected or promised. This is what God expects of His servants - that we do what He says because we trust His Word to be true.

Hence, the words of Jacob (James),

Even so faith (trust), if it has no works (actions or deeds), is dead, being by itself. 18 But someone may well say, “You have faith (trust) and I have works (actions or deeds); show me your faith (trust) without the works (actions or deeds), and I will show you my faith (trust) by my works (actions or deeds).” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith (trust) without works (actions or deeds) is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith (trust) was working with his works (actions or deeds), and as a result of the works (actions or deeds), faith (trust) was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God (Jas. 2:17–23; NASB; [Notes added by OP in parentheses]).

BibleBeliever1611 said:

That's not the case at all. He just said "if ye have faith..." He didn't say that the faith has to be in his word. The disciples failed to cast out the devil because they lacked faith. It was their fault, not God's fault.

It also says in Mark 11:24, "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."

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What do you think the faith is in? Faith has an object, no?

Faith should obviously be in line with loving God and loving your neighbor. I cannot imagine the Lord just giving us power to move mountains just so that we can do so to fit our fancy. Moving a mountain whether it be literal, figurative, or spiritual should be in line with doing God’s will and plan for our lives. For whatsoever is not of faith is sin and how do you get faith? Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God. It’s not like we can wield power like a Jedi or something. God is not an impersonal force. God is a person. God is love and God is good and God has a will and plan for our lives that involves us living in holiness for Him.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

If you said to a mountain, "Get moving" and you had no doubts about it in your heart, it would actually get moving. Your faith is in the fact that what you just said will actually happen. But none of us could do that because it sounds too outlandish to actually happen, and so we would never have that faith.

Mark 11:23 is pretty clear, "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."

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I don’t doubt that God can move an actual literal mountain for us but it would have to be for a very very very important reason that shows forth the love of God and love towards others and it would have to be within God’s will and plan. I think we should start with moving mountains we can move like overcoming serious sins within our lives (See: 2 Corinthians 7:1, Galatians 5:24, and 1 Peter 4:1-2). For if we focus on improving ourselves in the Lord, we please God and we are in His will.

For John 9:31 says, “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.”

(Note: Yes, I am aware of Luke 18:9-14; But the Tax Collector did God’s will by repenting or seeking forgiveness with the Lord. This does not mean that the Tax Collector remained as a sinner the rest of his life in disobedience to God. For Jesus said to two people to sin no more - John 5:14, John 8:11).

BibleBeliever1611 said:

If you said to a mountain, "Get moving" and you had no doubts about it in your heart, it would actually get moving. Your faith is in the fact that what you just said will actually happen. But none of us could do that because it sounds too outlandish to actually happen, and so we would never have that faith.

Mark 11:23 is pretty clear, "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."

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Ok. Try it. Faith is the result of God in us.

This has nothing to do with your effort or will power. It has everything to do with the will of God.

If you had such faith to move a mountain, you'd never use it as your faith would
also have you knowing the consequences of doing so.

To me, what Jesus was getting at is that to desire such power has to do with building up
the ego rather than growing in faith and hw was providing an example using the idea, not in the literal sense, but in the spiritual one.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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I think that the term is basically a metaphor for overcoming huge obstacles. I don’t believe that humans actually perform any miracles it’s God who grants their request and performs it.

BibleBeliever1611 said:

Matthew 17:18-20 says,

"And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

This passage really blew me away. Have you ever thought about this? If you theoretically had enough faith, you could actually get an entire mountain moving out of its place. Talk about performing miracles. If the Bible says you could do that, then you could literally do that. But obviously no-one would ever have that much faith.

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I'm sorry, bro, but hermeneutically speaking, and knowing that the Jews of Jesus' time used hyperbole to emphasize a point, I'm going to have to say, "No, No, No, and NO!" We're not actually going to move mountains. If that were the case, then we'd have seen some moved by now. Did Paul not have that kind of faith? Did Peter not have that after the Resurrection?

No, I rather think that Peter and Paul both did have that level of faith, but the actual "meaning" isn't to be taken in an ultra-literal way. Rather, with all of the contextual connotations taken into account, the referent of the meaning is that by faith in the Lord, we will see Him move demonic forces away.

We might have to stay faithful and in prayer, though, for quite some time for us to see God move for His Glory.