Good deeds vs Sinning

renniks said:

Lol, I just showed you from scripture that we are told to walk in the Spirit. If there's no choice, why would that be a necessary teaching?

"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

This is a war, not a walk in the park.

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No it is not, Jesus has already won the War.
You have been set free but you won't accept it.


Be happy.
Have a Blessed day in the Lord.

renniks said:

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

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When Scripture says this, are you led by the Spirit, or are you under the Law?

renniks said:

Yes he has. But that doesn't mean we won't still battle the flesh until we get to heaven.

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But you are not saying you battle, your saying you continually on a regular basis, LOSE the Battle.

Besides you believe your still in the Flesh.

renniks said:

That's the choice we make daily.

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So your under the Law until you chose not to be?

OK I gotta go, have a God Blessed day, it's been interesting to say the least.

renniks said:

Where did I say that?

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Almost everywhere, from the beginning of our chat, you have espoused that Christians Sin regularly.

Do you not know.

If you as a Believer Sin you are none of His.

1Jn. 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Rom 8:3,4
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

This walking in the Spirit is not a choice it's a fact, verse 4 contradicts not the verse you hold up as proof of choice, but your misunderstanding you have a choice at all.

You have said a Believer has to want to Walk in the Spirit because of a verse you do not have the ability to understand.

Do you not believe you died with Christ, and are raised unto Newness of life BY and IN the Holy Spirit?

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness of life.

That Newness of life which we are to WALK in is "In the Spirit"

renniks said:

So I'm trying to understand how doing good and sinning balance out in a believers life.

I'm a simple man, so let me keep it simple.

Let's say I do a good deed this week: I know an acquaintance has medical bills to pay so I go to a GoFundMe account and contribute $25.

The same week, however, I also fall for temptation and spend 25 minutes watching inappropriate content on the internet.

Which option applies to my situation:

A. The sinning cancels out my giving, so God still holds my sin against me. So I'm in negative territory in my good versus bad account.

B. The $25 given cancels out the 25 minutes of sinning, so I'm in the positive on my good versus bad account.

C. They cancel each other out, so I don't have any good deed merit but on the other hand, I don't have the sin on my account either.

D. Other ( Please explain.)

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But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
(Ezekiel 18:24)

The $25 will not be remembered.

A thing Jesus said was kind of like how the Pharisees would devour widow's houses then offer a long pretentious prayer to make up for it.

It's hypocrisy, it doesn't balance out, and God gets angry when we think it does.

MMXX: "I'm a bit confused brother prophecy.
How does that not add up to; we shouldn't be listening to what you're teaching?"


Don't be confused:


MMXX: " Just being here daily chatting and arguing with other saints helps with that."

James 3:16 For where envying and STRIFE IS, THERE IS CONFUSION and every evil work.



Everybody is chatting away, thousands of posts, here for years, and unfortunately, because the word is not endured, ( not used much either/fully/with all understanding) the command for God, for this ending time that has come, is to reprove and rebuke with Gods word ( not my teaching)...


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.





MMXX: "Sure I still falter, usually in thought, but I'm not itching to go do some sinning."


Look at the weapons at our disposal, described as mighty through God to the pulling down of ( satan's) strongholds. which is every high thing that is what is exalting itself against the knowledge of God( the knowledge of belief in Christ for salvation, which is believing He is risen from the dead and not denying Him in thoughts and deeds, and all I am saying is scriptures words, I m just not showing it)...



2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.





"But I think moments of weakness are just that. Moments. Even Paul struggled with it. I think it's when we stop caring and or worrying, that we're headed for real trouble."


Paul, and all of Israel who were carnal, of course struggled with sin.

All we have to do now then is remember we are under the new covenant, as the old one was imperfect, faulty and taken away, as Israel failed to continue in, and obey Gods sincerely in it, hence why God writes it in the heart this time by giving the heart, the Holy Ghost.


It cannot be made clearer, Romans 7 shows description as carnal, whereas turn to the very next chapter, and the carnal mind, is death, being against the laws of God. On top of that, the next letter to 1 Corinthians, shows how carnal man are divided in strife, which already is told for you just above, is WHEN, the people have confusion, in their strife and every evil work..




1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.





How to find to perform the good, and how to do the good that you would ?



Do you read the distinction, of the ones in strife ( which is their confusion) also do every evil work, and how the ones walking worthy of the Lord are fruitful to every good work, because again, they bring every thought captive which fights against the knowledge of God, which fights against increasing in the knowledge of God..


James 3:16 For where envying and STRIFE IS, THERE IS CONFUSION and every evil work.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;



Now, if we purge ourselves from these wrong beliefs ( all the world is in them right now anyway, one way or another) then we are the honourable vessel for Go to dwell in, as we are then prepared unto every good work ( notice, that is how we find to perform the good and not the evil now)..


2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.





MMXX: "Put another way, complacency in the way I'm using it means ignoring God.
Putting other pursuits ahead of God and not seeing the problem with that. In other words, failing to obey the greatest commandment to love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength."


But it is not just something you obey, it is Christ strengthening us to do all of those things ( easily too not grievous) which is the working of God in us, who works mightily in man ( seen in Paul)..



Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

"If you say you are without sin you aren't being truthful."




One of sins, is lying, so being with sin, is man lying, and cant stop lying, and cannot speak truly about God.

That's because God is the Spirit of truth, and that Spirit has to be in us, instructing us, and instructing others through His Spirit of truth.

So, this message goes to the ones who consider they can fellowship with God, and walk in darkness, at the same time, darkness is the unrighteousness they are still in and still do, by being without the light of Christ in them ( which is no part dark).

The liar walks in darkness, the liar has not confessed and ceased from sin, the liar is not yet forgiven of their sins, because how are they cleansed f4rom all unrighteousness by still doing unrighteousness?

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 11:36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

"Of course. Why do we even need to be reminded to walk in the Spirit if we're not capable of doing otherwise?"


No need for the endless discussions, it is simple to understand why we are reminded.


Here in Peter, we know that exhortation is useful for us, because we come into faithless times, so that we can stand.


1 Peter 5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.




Paul brings into remembrance all of his ways, so we follow his example of following Christ in all things till death.

1 Corinthians 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.



Paul exhorts us non stop, to work out the salvation through fear of God, so we be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, unrebukable amongst this evil world,so that the labour of Paul was not in vain and we do not die faithless..


To write these things reminding us, is safe for us, to worship in the Spirit and to then finally choose to destroy the flesh and the argument that this world holds to maintining the flesh till the next world..



Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Phillipians 31 :Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.




Love our neighbour truly then, which is dine by the Spirit, and then the flesh is overcome..



Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.





Put ion the Lord Jesus in our hearts belief, no strife, they are works of darkness ( for all involved in them) put on the armour of light against that too..


Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

renniks said:

Even if a person is genuinely repentant, God remains angry and he can not be forgiven?
I thought we were not under the law anymore?
Was not David forgiven for his sins of adultery and murder?

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The point is humility, when you sin - don't let pride take root thinking you can do what you want. As it is also written elsewhere, God opposes pride, so being in pride opposes God so you might feel like He left you - but you actually left no room type deal.

In terms of forgiveness, confess sins so God can be faithful and forgive them. When you are proud, this blinds you to your sins and you cannot confess them.

JIMINZ said:

These are the verses which explicitly say what I said, if you require more, then read the Chapter where they are found in order to determine context.

Dead to the Law

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


Dead to the Flesh

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Dead to Sin

Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom.6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


My summation
Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheless I live;
yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God,
who loved me,
and gave himself for me.

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Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
— Romans 8:1-2

So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh⁠— for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
— Romans 8:12-13

If we put to death the deeds of the body we will live. The question I have is, if we are born again do we do this "put to death the deeds of the body", or is it something we must strive to do.

I know from my own life I had a period I lived in sin, so I can't really say I did put to death the sinful deeds at that time of my life.

Michael Collum: I"n terms of forgiveness, confess sins so God can be faithful and forgive them. When you are proud, this blinds you to your sins and you cannot confess them."




The judgments of the Lord are telling, not correct to go on still in tresspasses, or to confess sins and be forgiven, but to prosper they forsake the sins also to have hat mercy of God..



Psalm 68:21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Read carefully, understand we confess to b healed, for the ones who err from the truth, the ones sinning, to be converted, and the error of that way cant continue, it is so empty reasoning, and then the sins are covered and hidden when they cease too..


James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


Just as Jesus testified for us, to now see and hear, to understand in a soft replaced heart that now has the law written in the heart ( to now keep it no longer break it or nothing changed did it ) to be converted and healed...


Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


We then become dead to sins, that is living to righteousness, that is being healed by the stripes of Jesus who healed us from the sin ( and sinning) that was our wound to death..

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Just in case somebody questions about Jesus forgiving us when sinning, and being our propitiation, He is, BUT, we need to know Him, His command is to sin not, it has to be done by walking as He walked, which is keeping His word for the love of God to be perfected in us THEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN HIM..

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Zoidar: "If we put to death the deeds of the body we will live. The question I have is, if we are born again do we do this "put to death the deeds of the body", or is it something we must strive to do.

I know from my own life I had a period I lived in sin, so I can't really say I did put to death the sinful deeds at that time."

No testimony of man, only the testimony of Christ...

John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.


Christ knows no sin, if we know sin we do not know Christ, to be made the righteousness of God in Christ...



2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Striving is being born again, what striving do we do, if we are not, which is why it says it too, we then keep ourselves by the word of God.

Keeping ourselves) striving) in the love of God, as God keeps us from falling( stumbling) which presents us faultless before the presense of His glory..



Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

prophecy_uk said:

Michael Collum: I"n terms of forgiveness, confess sins so God can be faithful and forgive them. When you are proud, this blinds you to your sins and you cannot confess them."




The judgments of the Lord are telling, not correct to go on still in tresspasses, or to confess sins and be forgiven, but to prosper they forsake the sins also to have hat mercy of God..



Psalm 68:21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Read carefully, understand we confess to b healed, for the ones who err from the truth, the ones sinning, to be converted, and the error of that way cant continue, it is so empty reasoning, and then the sins are covered and hidden when they cease too..


James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


Just as Jesus testified for us, to now see and hear, to understand in a soft replaced heart that now has the law written in the heart ( to now keep it no longer break it or nothing changed did it ) to be converted and healed...


Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


We then become dead to sins, that is living to righteousness, that is being healed by the stripes of Jesus who healed us from the sin ( and sinning) that was our wound to death..

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Just in case somebody questions about Jesus forgiving us when sinning, and being our propitiation, He is, BUT, we need to know Him, His command is to sin not, it has to be done by walking as He walked, which is keeping His word for the love of God to be perfected in us THEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN HIM..

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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The original question was basically asking if the Christian concept of forgiveness worked like the Hindu concept of Karma - it doesn't.

The wages of sin is death, Jesus paid the price, grace is not cheap.