Here’s the big problem with Mass these days: Too often the Holy Sacrifice is treated as a playground

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Okay, okay, maybe it’s partly the reverence. But hear me out.

In all of these endless conversations about the Mass in the current day, “reverence” would probably win the Word Cloud competition.


They just want a reverent Mass!

Celebrated properly, the Mass of Paul VI can be plenty reverent!

Give us reverence!

Well, I think “reverence” as an interpretive lens falls short. I don’t think it quite gets to the core of the problem.

It’s not the reverence.

It’s the ego.

Because the ego lies at the heart of the “irreverence” – no matter what form that “irreverence” takes – and we obliged to note that a full-on Latin Mass in whatever form can be “irreverent,” too – although the potential for irreverence there has built in boundaries: Latin, strict rubrics.

But let’s look at the Mass of Paul VI – the Ordinary Form, the Mass most of us attend.

I’m going to suggest that the core of what drives people crazy (in a bad way) about the celebration of this Mass is the always-present-fear that when you open the door and sit down in that pew, you are never quite sure if what’s about to happen might involve you being subject to surprise attacks and being held hostage by someone’s ego.

You go to Mass with your hopes, joys and fears. You’re there carrying sadness and grief, questions, doubts and gratitude and peace. You’re bringing it all to God in the context of worship, worship that you trust will link you, assuredly to Christ – to Jesus, the Bread of Life, to His redeeming sacrifice. That in this moment, you’ll be joined to the Communion of Saints, you’ll get a taste of the peace that’s promised to the faithful after this strange, frustrating life on earth is over.

And what do you get?

Who knows. From week to week, from place to place, who knows.

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It’s not the reverence; It’s the ego
 

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It’s not the reverence.

It’s the ego.

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I suppose "ego" is one way to state the root of the problem - but it diverges attention away from wisdom, and toward modern intellectual education (which, itself, only adds to the problem). To put the problem in traditional terms of Catholic spirituality, let's say the problem is THE fundamental problem: disordered self-love.

God calls us to our rightful vocation: whole-hearted love for Him, and for all that is in Him. The 1st and great commandment - you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength, and your neighbor as yourself [rightly, that is]. The catechetical dumbing-down of the Church of recent decades has resulted in almost total ignorance among Catholics (it seems laity and clergy) of the path to that fundamental vocation - and thus to our true happiness and peace. We need to repent of this half-heartedness, this double-minded duplicity, and seek - as if our lives depended on it, as they do - the one thing that is necessary. Clergy and laity.

We need to learn to listen to God, and for God, for the truths of God. The way to that awaits our discovery (or as a Church, the rediscovery) - it awaits hidden in the neglected/ignored traditions of our Church. If we would learn to listen, we could begin to hear. If we began to hear, we could begin to believe, and then we could choose to live the Truth that saves.
 
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Too much flexibility in the new Mass. With it's options for priests to choose different things, like Eucharistic Prayer II instead of the Roman Canon for example, that flexibility leads to holes in the liturgy that end up being filled with trivial or even disrespectful things.

One of the priests at my parish always starts his homily off by reading an internet joke that he thinks is relevant to what he's about to say. I just haven't seen that in a Latin Mass. There's a gravitas in a traditional liturgy (be it TLM, Byzantine Divine Liturgy, Ordinariate Divine Worship, etc) that carries through from start to finish. There's a focus and commitment to worshiping God respectfully and the liturgy maintains that by it's structure.

All the flexibility in the new Mass means it's reverence is completely dependent on the integrity of the priest. If you get a sloppy, hokey, clown Mass then it's almost guaranteed that the priest is (at best) complacent in his vocation, and at worst deliberately abusive of it.
 
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One of the priests at my parish always starts his homily off by reading an internet joke that he thinks is relevant to what he's about to say.

My priest always ends the mass with a joke, usually they're really cornpone but they have to be in order to be church-appropriate.

But to speak to the original topic, I have seen things go down during a Christmas eve mass with children that would make your head spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist: A child kept shouting "I WANT MY TOYS AND I WANT THEM NOW!" and running up and down the aisle during the mass shouting "GIVE ME MY TOYS!" This church did not have a cry room, but this speaks to the importance of having one in every parish.

It also speaks to the importance of parents whooping their brats, because had that been my kid, I would have taken him out of the mass and spanked his behind until it was as red as a firetruck.
 
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