The Lord's Day is Sunday.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 9, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
There is nothing in the entire bible that shows God's Sabbath day of the 4th commandment was changed, deleted or fulfilled. The 4th commandment is part of a Covenant of Ten, not nine, not eight. It's our moral obligation to God to obey His commandments including the one commandment that God told us to "remember". In the entire bible God deemed only one day as the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. Jesus told us to not worship in vain by obeying traditions (which is Sunday worship) over commandments which includes the 4th commandment. Jesus said breaking the least of the commandments and teaching others you will be least in Gods kingdom Matthew 5:19. The Sabbath day continues as the day of worship on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 as promised by our Savior Exodus 31:16. There is no scripture in the entire bible that says the first day is the holy day of the Lord thy God. But God says that about the seventh day which is a commandment and not an ordinance which Col 2:14 is referring to (God's commandment has never been referred to an an ordinance). God wants us to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. There are over 170 scriptures regarding the importance of God's Sabbath day. There are eight references to the first day, none that are a commandment of God, none that says it's a new holy day, none that says it's a day of worship. How more people don't see this really surprises me, but scriptures do tell us there is only a remnant (small part of the original) who still keep the commandments of God Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12. Today we have the choice to worship God in Truth and Spirit and obey God's laws over traditions, but just like the days of Noah, so will be the Second Coming of our Savior and few listened than too. God Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and a delight and many are missing out. Isaiah 58:13-14 God bless

First, Isaiah 66:23 does not give us a Sabbath Command on the New Earth. The existence of the Sabbath day as a calendar day does not equate with the continuation of the Sabbath command. Even if the Sabbath command existed in the New Earth (of which is not stated in Scripture), we are not living on the New Earth anymore than we are living in Noah’s time whereby Noah was commanded to build an Ark. Are we commanded to build an Ark? I imagine there are commands in the Millennium that will not apply to us today. God commands uniquely based on what dispensation we live in.

Second, the sabbath is implied as an ordinance when reading Isaiah 58:2, and Isaiah 58:13. Yet, Paul says that Christ blotted out ordinances in Colossians 2:14. Colossians 2:16 makes it clear that we are not to let anyone judge us according to sabbaths (Which would naturally include the Saturday Sabbath) with a normal reading of Scripture (and not a biased one). Romans 14:5 says “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” If the Sabbath command was still in effect, then Paul would never say this. He would instead say that you must keep the Saturday Sabbath and those who regard all days a like are in error and they need to repent and get their heart right with God.

Three, the Gentiles are told that they do not have to be circumcised to be saved and to keep the Law of Moses at the Jerusalem council (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). If there was ever a time to bring up the Sabbath command, this would have been the time. In fact, this further proves that we are to follow Jesus and His apostles and not the Law of Moses. If we are to strictly obey the New Testament or New Covenant, you will not find any command anywhere to obey the Sabbath. Yes, we read about some believers keeping the Sabbath, and we read about how the Sabbath exists as a calendar day, but that does not equate with the Saturday Sabbath as being a command, though.

Four, after Jesus died upon the cross, the Old Covenant ended along with it’s unique commands given to Israel. We are to follow Jesus and His apostles and not Moses. You will not find any Sabbath command given to us in the New Testament. You will not find any sin listed as breaking the Sabbath listed among other sins by the apostles Paul or John.

For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).

SabbathBlessings · Aug 9, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
First, Isaiah 66:23 does not give us a Sabbath Command on the New Earth. The existence of the Sabbath day as a calendar day does not equate with the continuation of the Sabbath command. Even if the Sabbath command existed in the New Earth (of which is not stated in Scripture), we are not living on the New Earth anymore than we are living in Noah’s time whereby Noah was commanded to build an Ark. Are we commanded to build an Ark? I imagine there are commands in the Millennium that will not apply to us today. God commands uniquely based on what dispensation we live in.

Second, the sabbath is implied as an ordinance when reading Isaiah 58:2, and Isaiah 58:13. Yet, Paul says that Christ blotted out ordinances in Colossians 2:14. Colossians 2:16 makes it clear that we are not to let anyone judge us according to sabbaths (Which would naturally include the Saturday Sabbath) with a normal reading of Scripture (and not a biased one). Romans 14:5 says “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” If the Sabbath command was still in effect, then Paul would never say this. He would instead say that you must keep the Saturday Sabbath and those who regard all days a like are in error and they need to repent and get their heart right with God.

Three, the Gentiles are told that they do not have to be circumcised to be saved and to keep the Law of Moses at the Jerusalem council (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). If there was ever a time to bring up the Sabbath command, this would have been the time. In fact, this further proves that we are to follow Jesus and His apostles and not the Law of Moses. If we are to strictly obey the New Testament or New Covenant, you will not find any command anywhere to obey the Sabbath. Yes, we read about some believers keeping the Sabbath, and we read about how the Sabbath exists as a calendar day, but that does not equate with the Saturday Sabbath as being a command, though.

Four, after Jesus died upon the cross, the Old Covenant ended along with it’s unique commands given to Israel. We are to follow Jesus and His apostles and not Moses. You will not find any Sabbath command given to us in the New Testament. You will not find any sin listed as breaking the Sabbath listed among other sins by the apostles Paul or John.

For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).

The ordinances, statues, laws and commandments has always been separated. A few examples Nehemiah 1:7,2 Kings 17:37,2 Chronicles 19:10

God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His moral law, the Ten Commandments, Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13 as you can see it is not referred to as "ordinances" God even refers to them as My commandments in the Ten and obeying them is who He shows mercy to Exodus 20:6

Isaiah 66:23 very clearly shows the Sabbath with be the day of worship on the New Earth which is consistent with everything written about God's holy Sabbath day in the bible.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

In Romans they are not talking about the seventh day Sabbath, they are referring to the ceremonial holy days i.e. annual sabbath(s) feasts day and Paul makes very clear what matters regarding ceremonial laws compared to God's laws i.e. which includes the Ten. 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. which of course includes the 4th commandment.

When Jesus died, God's law did not end.

In the new covenant these "shadow laws" for remission of sins under the old covenant connected to the Feast days and the earthly Sanctuary (Levitical Priesthood, the laws of meant and drink offerings, the earthly Sanctuary, the annual Feast days and circumcision) linked directly to the appointed times of the daily; the weekly, the monthly and the yearly under the new covenant are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to and are now according to Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22; Colossians 2:17 fulfilled and continued in the work of Christ to who they pointed to who now ministers on our behalf as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on the better promises of the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6. The Ten commandments did not end on the cross which includes the 4th commandment that God said "Remember" which is the opposite of what is being taught here.

Hope this helps.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
The ordinances, statues, laws and commandments has always been separated. A few examples Nehemiah 1:7,2 Kings 17:37,2 Chronicles 19:10

I have no doubt that the Bible mentions there are distinctions at times with the 613 Laws of Moses within the Old Law (Which is no more as a contract), but we really need to compare Scripture with Scripture to find those distinctions genuinely. However, this still does not change that the ordinance mentioned in Isaiah 58:2 is the Sabbath mentioned in Isaiah 58:13.

God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His moral law, the Ten Commandments, Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13 as you can see it is not referred to as "ordinances" God even refers to them as My commandments in the Ten and obeying them is who He shows mercy to Exodus 20:6

Well, there is no such thing as the 10 anymore. Yes, certain commands have been repeated into the New Testament by our Lord Jesus and His followers, and the Sabbath is not one of them. Yes, we are to not murder, not covet, not steal, but these are commands repeated within the New Testament (or New Covenant). You will not find any such command for the Sabbath in the NT.

Also, there are other moral laws in the Old Law (that is no more as whole or contract deal) besides the ten. There are 613 Laws of Moses, and you are not under that contract. These laws were given to Israel and not the church. Moral laws are a violation of the good of others. The Gentiles kept the Law (the Moral Law) without having the Law (the Law of Moses, the 613) (Romans 2:14).

You said:
Isaiah 66:23 very clearly shows the Sabbath with be the day of worship on the New Earth which is consistent with everything written about God's holy Sabbath day in the bible.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Can believers worship God on Tuesday? If so, does that mean if we see a description of such does it equate with it being a command that we must do no work on Tuesday?

Furthermore, within this verse, I do not see any words that say, “command” and nor do I see the words, “And they followed His words that said, ‘Thou shalt worship me on the Sabbath.’” So your equating the accounting of a record as a command when there is no such command mentioned. It might be a command, we simply do not know because Isaiah 66:23 does not say. But like I said, even if it was a command in the future, that does not mean it is a command today. For do you believe you have to build an Ark?

You said:
In Romans they are not talking about the seventh day Sabbath, they are referring to the ceremonial holy days i.e. annual sabbath(s) feasts day and Paul makes very clear what matters regarding ceremonial laws compared to God's laws i.e. which includes the Ten. 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing,

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” (Romans 14:5).

Nothing is stated here or in the chapter that this is in reference to the annual Sabbaths. If such were the case, then Paul would have said, “one man esteems the yearly sabbath and another man does not.” It seems like Paul here is clear that he is referring to the weekly Sabbath and holy days. But you do not appear to agree with Paul when he says that a person can regard all days alike. For you do not regard all days alike. You regard the Sabbath (Which is a part of the Old Law that is clearly no more).

You said:
but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. which of course includes the 4th commandment.

Your barking up the wrong tree. I am not your average Christian who believes they can sin and still be saved because they have a belief alone on Jesus. I actually do believe we have to keep God’s commands as a part of eternal life. I believe we must do good works as a part of God’s plan of salvation after we are saved by God’s grace. So yes. I whole heartedly agree with 1 Corinthians 7:19.

You said:
When Jesus died, God's law did not end.

While God’s Laws in general did not end, the Old Law (the 613) surely ended.

Here are a list of verses showing us the Old Law is no more:

"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).

“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).

27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).

50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).

8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).

7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).

The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:

"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).

The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).

So it appears things have changed.

This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).

In conclusion:

You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.

SabbathBlessings · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
I have no doubt that the Bible mentions there are distinctions at times with the 613 Laws of Moses within the Old Law (Which is no more as a contract), but we really need to compare Scripture with Scripture to find those distinctions genuinely. However, this still does not change that the ordinance mentioned in Isaiah 58:2 is the Sabbath mentioned in Isaiah 58:13.

Isaiah 58:2 The ordinances being referenced here are not the commandments of God. The Hebrew word used for "ordinance" in Isaiah 58:2 is Mishpat (H4941) and means judgements of God not commandments of God. Like I said before the Commandants of God are not referred to as "ordinances" so I would be very careful trying to do away with the holy day of the Lord thy God in Col 2:14-16 because according to James 2:10 you break one of the laws you are guilty of breaking them all and Jesus says something similar as well. Matthew 5:19

Bible Highlighter said:
Well, there is no such thing as the 10 anymore. Yes, certain commands have been repeated into the New Testament by our Lord Jesus and His followers, and the Sabbath is not one of them. Yes, we are to not murder, not covet, not steal, but these are commands repeated within the New Testament (or New Covenant). You will not find any such command for the Sabbath in the NT.

This could not be further from the truth. God's Ten never changed in the the New Covenant, only the promises. God laws are written in our heart in the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 which of course include God's holy Sabbath day, the one He specifically asked us to "Remember". Jesus taught us all about the Sabbath in the NT and it was His custom every Sabbath to read scriptures in the Temple Luke 4:16. Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment and Jesus was sent on this earth as an example for us and there are close to 60 scriptures alone in the New Testament about God's Sabbath. Jesus told us the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 All of the commandments of God are repeated in the New Testament including the Sabbath. I am amazed people think the only commandment that is deleted is the one God said "Remember".

The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

Bible Highlighter said:
Also, there are other moral laws in the Old Law (that is no more as whole or contract deal) besides the ten. There are 613 Laws of Moses, and you are not under that contract. These laws were given to Israel and not the church. Moral laws are a violation of the good of others. The Gentiles kept the Law (the Moral Law) without having the Law (the Law of Moses, the 613) (Romans 2:14).

God's laws and the law of Moses are different Covenants and serve different purposes God personally wrote His law on stone as a symbol of it's eternity Only God's laws was stored inside the ark and placed in the Most Holy of God's Temple. Sounds important to me, sorry if you miss this huge significance of God's law. It's the only scripture in the entire bible that God personally wrote and yet people want to do away with His holy law. Shocking really.

Bible Highlighter said:
Can believers worship God on Tuesday? If so, does that mean if we see a description of such does it equate with it being a command that we must do no work on Tuesday?

If God had commanded us to keep holy Tuesday, I would keep holy Tuesday but that's not what God said. God only has one day in the entire Bible that He blessed, sanctified, commanded us to keep holy and asked us to Remember. There is only one day that is the holy day of the lord thy God and that is the seventh day. Why would you deny God of His holy day that is spelled out so clearly for us.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

Where does God say this about Tuesday or Sunday? He does not. It's been the seventh day from creation Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23 While I worship God everyday I work six days as instructed by God Exodus 20:9 and on the seventh day I rest from my work and keep His Sabbath holy. Jesus said obeying traditions over commandments is worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

Bible Highlighter said:
Furthermore, within this verse, I do not see any words that say, “command” and nor do I see the words, “And they followed His words that said, ‘Thou shalt worship me on the Sabbath.’” So your equating the accounting of a record as a command when there is no such command mentioned. It might be a command, we simply do not know because Isaiah 66:23 does not say. But like I said, even if it was a command in the future, that does not mean it is a command today. For do you believe you have to build an Ark?

This is the difference between those who hear God's voice. Isaiah 66:23 says that from one Sabbath to another all (that are saved) will worship our Lord. This will not be new for God's saints as we already obey God's voice and commands. Worshipping our Savior on the holy day of the Lord on the New Earth and in Heaven God will not need to command us to do that. We will worship Him because we want to and do so now. God gives us free will and will never take that away. You see from scripture Sabbath worship continues forever we don't need the word "command" repeated for us to obey our Savior If you do not want to worship our Savior now on His holy Sabbath day, will you want to in Heaven?

God's 4th commandment and God's Sabbath day is not deleted in the New Covenant. As you can see by Isaiah 66:23 and the other 59+ scriptures of God's Sabbath being referenced in the NT. There is no scripture that says the 4th commandment or God's Sabbath day has ended and now there is a new holy day. This is something created by man and not God. You are free to believe what you want, but God tells us the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20. I sure want to be one of God's people and keeping His Sabbath is a blessing and a delight and many are missing out.

God bless

Ceallaigh · Aug 10, 2021

I believe that Sunday became called the "Lord's Day" because the Resurrection took place on a Sunday. However I'm not entirely sure if that's how the author of Revelation was applying that term.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
The Lord's Day is Sunday:

Revelation 1:10 mentions the “Lord's day.”

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ...” (Revelation 1:10).

Some believe this day to be Sunday, and others believe this day to be Saturday (i.e. the Saturday Sabbath, or the seventh day [last day] of the week). Let's examine Scripture to find out what the Lord's day is.

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Mary, Peter, and others witness the empty tomb:

“The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” (John 20:1).

6 “Then cometh Simon Peter... and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.” (John 20:6-7).

“...yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.”
(John 20:9).

10 “Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping:” (John 20:10-11).

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener,...” (John 20:15).

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Here we see on “the first day” of the week (Sunday) that Jesus was already risen, and He shows Himself to Mary and tells her, “I ascend (rise) unto my Father.” Mary later tells the disciples that she has seen “the Lord.”

This is the Lord's day in that He had ascended or risen to the Father.

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On the Road to Emmaus:

Jesus (with his identity hidden) talked with two men on the road to Emmaus about His death and resurrection:

The two men said:

“Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.” (Luke 24:22-23).

Jesus said unto them:

“O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?” (Luke 24:25-26).

Later, after Jesus revealed his full identity to them (in who He was) at dinner and departed:

The two men said:

32 “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.” (Luke 24:32-35).

The Lord is risen indeed!
Jesus ascended or had risen to His Father!
This was on the first day the disciples discovered the empty tomb!
This is the Lord's day. The culmination or climactic high point of God's story in the salvation of mankind. He is risen! The Lord is risen! The Lord is risen indeed! The first day of the week! The Lord's day! Sunday!

For Christians would be known for gathering on Sunday or the first day of the week (Which is based on Scripture).

Hi I am just trying to find in the OP where scripture says that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week? Where is the scripture in all the bible that says Sunday or the first day of the week is Sunday? - If we are being honest here there is none!

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Isaiah 58:2 The ordinances being referenced here are not the commandments of God. The Hebrew word used for "ordinance" in Isaiah 58:2 is Mishpat (H4941) and means judgements of God not commandments of God. Like I said before the Commandants of God are not referred to as "ordinances"

The KJV translates Strong's H4941 in the following manner: judgment (296x), manner (38x), right (18x), cause (12x), ordinance (11x), lawful (7x), order (5x), worthy (3x), fashion (3x), custom (2x), discretion (2x), law (2x), measure (2x), sentence (2x), miscellaneous (18x).

Notice that this Hebrew word is also translated into: custom, and law, too.

You said:
so I would be very careful trying to do away with the holy day of the Lord thy God in Col 2:14-16

But that’s what Colossians 2:14-16 says. Verse 14 says that Christ blotted out those ordinances that were against us. Verse 16 says not to judge us according to sabbaths, etc. and the weekly Sabbath is among the group of things called the sabbaths.

You said:
because according to James 2:10 you break one of the laws you are guilty of breaking them all

James is not referring to the breaking of the Law of Moses. James is talking about the breaking of the Royal Law of love by not showing love/respect to the poor brethren and giving favor to the rich brethren instead. If they were to continue to do so, they would be breaking all of God’s laws under the New Covenant and not the Old one.

You said:
and Jesus says something similar as well. Matthew 5:19

Jesus was referring to the commands He just gave at the sermon on the Mount, and not the Old Covenant ones.

You said:
This could not be further from the truth. God's Ten never changed in the the New Covenant, only the promises. God laws are written in our heart in the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 which of course include God's holy Sabbath day, the one He specifically asked us to "Remember". Jesus taught us all about the Sabbath in the NT and it was His custom every Sabbath to read scriptures in the Temple Luke 4:16. Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment and Jesus was sent on this earth as an example for us and there are close to 60 scriptures alone in the New Testament about God's Sabbath. Jesus told us the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 All of the commandments of God are repeated in the New Testament including the Sabbath. I am amazed people think the only commandment that is deleted is the one God said "Remember".

Yes, is is true that Jesus kept the Sabbath, but He never commanded it. Also, no doubt Jesus was circumcised according to the Law, but that does not mean circumcision still applies today. Paul says clearly that if you seek to be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). In Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, we are told that the Gentiles do not have to keep circumcision or the Law of Moses, but the apostles merely wanted to stress in staying away from things strangled, from blood, fornication, and idols (Acts of the Apostles 15:20). Nothing is mentioned about the Sabbath at the Jerusalem council. It is implied that the Sabbath is a part of the Law of Moses and Gentile Christians are told that they do not have to keep the Law of Moses.

You said:
The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

Again, there are more laws than the 10 in the Torah. There are 613 of them.
But yes, I am not in disagreement that 9 out of the 10 laws had been repeated in the New Testament.
But they are not exactly the same because there is no judgments attached to some of them that includes death by capital punishment.

You said:
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).

You leave out the key verse.

“For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.” (Hebrews 4:8).

This means that they were not given a permanent rest and He spoke of another day.

“Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest,…” (Hebrews 4:1-3).

The whole point here in Hebrews is believing in the gospel and God’s grace through faith in Christ is that rest. Granted, this grace not a license to sin as many teach today, but that rest first starts when we accept Jesus as our Savior, seek forgiveness of our sins with Him, and believe that He died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation. This is the new rest!

Read the beginning of Hebrews 4 in the passage above and then read what the gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is the rest that the author of Hebrews is talking about.

You said:
God's laws and the law of Moses are different Covenants and serve different purposes God personally wrote His law on stone as a symbol of it's eternity Only God's laws was stored inside the ark and placed in the Most Holy of God's Temple. Sounds important to me, sorry if you miss this huge significance of God's law. It's the only scripture in the entire bible that God personally wrote and yet people want to do away with His holy law. Shocking really.

If God had commanded us to keep holy Tuesday, I would keep holy Tuesday but that's not what God said. God only has one day in the entire Bible that He blessed, sanctified, commanded us to keep holy and asked us to Remember. There is only one day that is the holy day of the lord thy God and that is the seventh day. Why would you deny God of His holy day that is spelled out so clearly for us.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

Where does God say this about Tuesday or Sunday? He does not. It's been the seventh day from creation Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23 While I worship God everyday I work six days as instructed by God Exodus 20:9 and on the seventh day I rest from my work and keep His Sabbath holy. Jesus said obeying traditions over commandments is worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

This is the difference between those who hear God's voice. Isaiah 66:23 says that from one Sabbath to another all (that are saved) will worship our Lord. This will not be new for God's saints as we already obey God's voice and commands. Worshipping our Savior on the holy day of the Lord on the New Earth and in Heaven God will not need to command us to do that. We will worship Him because we want to and do so now. God gives us free will and will never take that away. You see from scripture Sabbath worship continues forever we don't need the word "command" repeated for us to obey our Savior If you do not want to worship our Savior now on His holy Sabbath day, will you want to in Heaven?

God's 4th commandment and God's Sabbath day is not deleted in the New Covenant. As you can see by Isaiah 66:23 and the other 59+ scriptures of God's Sabbath being referenced in the NT. There is no scripture that says the 4th commandment or God's Sabbath day has ended and now there is a new holy day. This is something created by man and not God. You are free to believe what you want, but God tells us the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20. I sure want to be one of God's people and keeping His Sabbath is a blessing and a delight and many are missing out.

God bless

Sorry, I just think Sabbatarian Christians just want to keep the Old ways like the Sabbath because that is what they want to do and it really has nothing to do with what the New Testament or New Covenant says. There is no verse in the NT that gives a command to keep the Sabbath. There is no sin of breaking the Sabbath listed among the other sins that the apostle John and Paul give us. So this fact along with Colossians 2:14-16, and Romans 14:5 lets us know the Sabbath command is not given to us in this dispensation of the New Covenant. Yes, the Sabbath day exists as a calendar day, and yes you will see people keeping the Sabbath as recorded in Scripture, but that does not equate it with being a command from God within the New Covenant. God’s people made mistakes and misunderstood the Lord many times. No Sabbath command exists in NT Scripture.

But….

“No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.” (Luke 5:39).

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

To all:

I believe the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10 is Sunday (the discovery of Christ’s resurrection). Believers met on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). Why would they do this if they already met on the previous day? It is of course to honor the day they discovered that the Lord had risen. The Lord’s day is Sunday because He ascended to the Father (after telling Mary not to touch Him). This was the final act in God’s plan of redemption for us. The resurrection. It was the pinnacle of the Lord’s plan for mankind. For without the resurrection we would all still yet be in our sins according to the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. Honoring the day of our Lord’s resurrection is surely the Lord’s day for it was His final act of victory over sin and death for mankind. In fact, Jesus affirms His resurrection in Revelation 1. He says, “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,…” (Revelation 1:19).

Honoring the Saturday Sabbath as being more important than the day of Christ’s resurrection is missing the point of the whole New Covenant. Jesus is risen and in this we rejoice and not in the old rest that is merely a shadow or type of the rest we have in Christ by His resurrection.

One can celebrate the old shadows and types if they like, but I will worship the Lord and rejoice on the day of His resurrection (Which I believe is the New way).

Scripture says we cannot be justified by the Law of Moses.

“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 13:39).

The Sabbath was clearly identified with the Law of Moses.
For the Sabbaths were the sign of this Mosaic Covenant.

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

There are different covenants God made throughout time.

There is the:

1. Edenic Covenant (Covenant made with Adam & Eve).
2. Noahic Covenant (Covenant made during Noah's time).
3. Abrahamic Covenant (Covenant made during Abraham's time).
4. Mosaic Covenant (Covenant made during Moses' time).
5. Aaronic Priesthood Covenant (Covenant with Aaron & priesthood).
6. Davidic Covenant (Covenant made with David and his kingdom).
7. New Covenant (Covenant made with Israel and Gentiles).

While we can make reasonable guesses as to the signs for all of these covenants, I am just going to stick with what Scripture clearly says are the signs for some of these above covenants. For the Bible mentions that...

There are different covenant signs throughout time:

#1. The Rainbow Covenant Sign:
(Noahic Covenant):
(Made During the Time of Noah and is Eternal):

The rainbow was a sign given during the time of Noah between God and all flesh on the Earth from that time on forever, that He will never again destroy the Earth with a global flood.

Genesis 9:12-17 (NKJV) says,
12 "And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud;
15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”
17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”"

#2. The Circumcision Covenant Sign:
(Abrahamic Covenant):
(Made During the Time of Abraham and it is no longer in effect):

Circumcision was a sign made between Abraham and the other Hebrews in his time as an outward sign of their faith or belief in God (the righteousness of faith).

Romans 4:9-11 says,
9 "Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe,..."
(Romans 4:9-11).

#3. The Sabbath (or Sabbaths) Covenant Sign:
(Mosaic Covenant):
(Made During the Time of Moses and it is no longer in effect):

The Ten Commandments was the covenant made with Moses and the Israelites (See: Exodus 34:28), and the Sabbaths were the sign of this Mosaic Covenant.

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

#4. Jesus Christ Covenant Sign:
(New Covenant):
(Made During the Time of Christ's Earthly Ministry and is Eternal):

Jesus Christ is the sign of the New Covenant.

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." (Matthew 12:38-41).

The sign of the prophet Jonah was Jesus. For as Jonah was three days, and three nights in the heart of the great fish, Jesus (the sign) was three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. Jesus said a greater than Jonah is here. So Jesus is the sign that they were looking for (who was the sign that was standing right in front of them).

For we see Jesus as the sign in the Manna Bread.

The crowd that followed Jesus said,

"...What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? .... "Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat." (John 6:30-31).

Then Jesus said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world."
(John 6:32-33).

Then said they unto him,

"Lord, evermore give us this bread." (John 6:34).

And Jesus said unto them,

"I am the bread of life" (John 6:35).

They were seeking after a sign, and they talked about the bread from Heaven in the Torah, but Jesus pointed them to Himself as that sign they were looking for. So Jesus is the sign of the New Covenant. This is why our good works done before men glorifies God the Father in Heaven (Matthew 5:16). For why did the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus? It was because it was Jesus who was working through them. Jesus said you can do nothing without me (John 15:5). Yes, the Father, and the Spirit also reside in a believer, but I believe all things point to Christ.

Jesus said,

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39).

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

The first three covenant signs also point to Jesus Christ:

1. Jesus is the light of the world
(i.e. Rainbow Covenant Sign)
John 8:12 says, "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

2. Jesus is our circumcision
(i.e. Circumcision Covenant Sign)
Colossians 2:11 says, "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:"

3. Jesus is our sabbaths or Sabbath rest
(i.e. Sabbaths Covenant Sign)
Matthew 11:28 says, ""Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

I believe Jesus said this to God the Father,

"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." (Hebrews 10:7).

Side Note:

Logic dictates that if the first three covenant signs point to Jesus, then the last covenant sign (i.e. the New Covenant sign) point to Jesus Christ, as well. For if we read the Bible and miss Jesus, then we miss the whole point. We preach Jesus Christ, and His death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus is the sign. The sign of life.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Isaiah 58:2 The ordinances being referenced here are not the commandments of God. The Hebrew word used for "ordinance" in Isaiah 58:2 is Mishpat (H4941) and means judgements of God not commandments of God. Like I said before the Commandants of God are not referred to as "ordinances" so I would be very careful trying to do away with the holy day of the Lord thy God in Col 2:14-16 because according to James 2:10 you break one of the laws you are guilty of breaking them all and Jesus says something similar as well. Matthew 5:19

This could not be further from the truth. God's Ten never changed in the the New Covenant, only the promises. God laws are written in our heart in the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 which of course include God's holy Sabbath day, the one He specifically asked us to "Remember". Jesus taught us all about the Sabbath in the NT and it was His custom every Sabbath to read scriptures in the Temple Luke 4:16. Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment and Jesus was sent on this earth as an example for us and there are close to 60 scriptures alone in the New Testament about God's Sabbath. Jesus told us the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 All of the commandments of God are repeated in the New Testament including the Sabbath. I am amazed people think the only commandment that is deleted is the one God said "Remember".

The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

God's laws and the law of Moses are different Covenants and serve different purposes God personally wrote His law on stone as a symbol of it's eternity Only God's laws was stored inside the ark and placed in the Most Holy of God's Temple. Sounds important to me, sorry if you miss this huge significance of God's law. It's the only scripture in the entire bible that God personally wrote and yet people want to do away with His holy law. Shocking really.

If God had commanded us to keep holy Tuesday, I would keep holy Tuesday but that's not what God said. God only has one day in the entire Bible that He blessed, sanctified, commanded us to keep holy and asked us to Remember. There is only one day that is the holy day of the lord thy God and that is the seventh day. Why would you deny God of His holy day that is spelled out so clearly for us.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

Where does God say this about Tuesday or Sunday? He does not. It's been the seventh day from creation Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23 While I worship God everyday I work six days as instructed by God Exodus 20:9 and on the seventh day I rest from my work and keep His Sabbath holy. Jesus said obeying traditions over commandments is worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

This is the difference between those who hear God's voice. Isaiah 66:23 says that from one Sabbath to another all (that are saved) will worship our Lord. This will not be new for God's saints as we already obey God's voice and commands. Worshipping our Savior on the holy day of the Lord on the New Earth and in Heaven God will not need to command us to do that. We will worship Him because we want to and do so now. God gives us free will and will never take that away. You see from scripture Sabbath worship continues forever we don't need the word "command" repeated for us to obey our Savior If you do not want to worship our Savior now on His holy Sabbath day, will you want to in Heaven?

God's 4th commandment and God's Sabbath day is not deleted in the New Covenant. As you can see by Isaiah 66:23 and the other 59+ scriptures of God's Sabbath being referenced in the NT. There is no scripture that says the 4th commandment or God's Sabbath day has ended and now there is a new holy day. This is something created by man and not God. You are free to believe what you want, but God tells us the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20. I sure want to be one of God's people and keeping His Sabbath is a blessing and a delight and many are missing out.

God bless

Ephesians 2:15 says,
“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to makein himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”

So the apostle Paul says that the Law of commandments were contained in ordinances. This means ordinances are commands.

SabbathBlessings · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
The KJV translates Strong's H4941 in the following manner: judgment (296x), manner (38x), right (18x), cause (12x), ordinance (11x), lawful (7x), order (5x), worthy (3x), fashion (3x), custom (2x), discretion (2x), law (2x), measure (2x), sentence (2x), miscellaneous (18x).

Notice that this Hebrew word is also translated into: custom, and law, too.

But it does not translate to commandments which is what the Sabbath commandment is.

Bible Highlighter said:
But that’s what Colossians 2:14-16 says. Verse 14 says that Christ blotted out those ordinances that were against us.

This should be next next clue that this is not referring to the commandments of God. God's commandments is not against us, it is the very essence of God's character- God's law is PERFECT, HOLY, SPIRITUAL, LOVE, LIGHT, TRUE, RIGHTEOUS, JUST, PURE,GOOD, FAITHFUL, WISDOM,GREAT,BRINGS PEACE, UNCHANGING just like God. That's why Gods laws are written in the heart, so we can be more like Christ. God's commandments are not against us and you are confusing the law of Moses which contained ordinances which has annual sabbath(s) feasts day and was contrary to us Col 2:14. The law of Moses contained curses 29:20-21, Gal 3:10. Not sure why you are so anxious to call the holy day of the Lord contrary to us and to do away with.

Bible Highlighter said:
Verse 16 says not to judge us according to sabbaths, etc. and the weekly Sabbath is among the group of things called the sabbaths.

Yes, and there are more than one sabbath in the bible. There are the feasts annual sabbaths that ended with Christ as our sacrifice along with blood sacrifices and circumcision, but God's Sabbath day, the holy day of the Lord thy God is not a shadow law it points back and is a memorial to creation Genesis 2:13. Which is why that day continues as promised by our Creator to be the holy day and the day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23

Bible Highlighter said:
James is not referring to the breaking of the Law of Moses. James is talking about the breaking of the Royal Law of love by not showing love/respect to the poor brethren and giving favor to the rich brethren instead. If they were to continue to do so, they would be breaking all of God’s laws under the New Covenant and not the Old one.

God's commandments are the Royal law James 2:8 and specifically quotes from the Ten Commandments James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Bible Highlighter said:
Yes, is is true that Jesus kept the Sabbath, but He never commanded it. Also, no doubt Jesus was circumcised according to the Law, but that does not mean circumcision still applies today. Paul says clearly that if you seek to be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). In Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, we are told that the Gentiles do not have to keep circumcision or the Law of Moses, but the apostles merely wanted to stress in staying away from things strangled, from blood, fornication, and idols (Acts of the Apostles 15:20). Nothing is mentioned about the Sabbath at the Jerusalem council. It is implied that the Sabbath is a part of the Law of Moses and Gentile Christians are told that they do not have to keep the Law of Moses.

Maybe you can show me where circumcision is in the Ten Commandments?

Bible Highlighter said:
“For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.” (Hebrews 4:8).

It doesn't seem like you understand what Hebrews is saying. You do not receive Christ rest by disobeying which is what Hebrews is referring to Heb 4:6 and this of course includes keeping the 4th commandment. There are two rests being referred to in this passage. The Christ rest we receive when we obey, which includes the seventh day Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. This is clearly referring to the seventh day Sabbath and 4th commandment.

It's all I have time for as I am picking up a family member at the airport. My brother @LoveGodsWord might be able to pick up where I left off if he can since I will not be available much in the next few days,

God bless!

SabbathBlessings · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Ephesians 2:15 says,
“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to makein himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”

So the apostle Paul says that the Law of commandments were contained in ordinances. This means ordinances are commands.

That's the law of Moses, not God's commandments.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
To all:
I believe the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10 is Sunday (the discovery of Christ’s resurrection). Believers met on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). Why would they do this if they already met on the previous day? It is of course to honor the day they discovered that the Lord had risen. The Lord’s day is Sunday because He ascended to the Father (after telling Mary not to touch Him). This was the final act in God’s plan of redemption for us. The resurrection. It was the pinnacle of the Lord’s plan for mankind. For without the resurrection we would all still yet be in our sins according to the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. Honoring the day of our Lord’s resurrection is surely the Lord’s day for it was His final act of victory over sin and death for mankind. In fact, Jesus affirms His resurrection in Revelation 1. He says, “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,…” (Revelation 1:19).

I think you posted this earlier. So it is repetition. Now where scripture says that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week? Where is the scripture in all the bible that says Sunday or the first day of the week is Sunday? - If we are being honest here there is none!
So what day is "the Lords day" according to the scriptures? Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Therefore the Lord's day is the Sabbath day according to the scriptures.

Bible Highlighter said:
Honoring the Saturday Sabbath as being more important than the day of Christ’s resurrection is missing the point of the whole New Covenant. Jesus is risen and in this we rejoice and not in the old rest that is merely a shadow or type of the rest we have in Christ by His resurrection.

Where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment and lead many away from God and His Word. Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So if there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest, who are we believing and following, God or man?

Bible Highlighter said:
One can celebrate the old shadows and types if they like, but I will worship the Lord and rejoice on the day of His resurrection (Which I believe is the New way).

The Sabbath of God's 4th commandment unlike the ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days is not a shadow law as it was made and linked directly to the "seventh day" of the creation week pointing backwards not forwards to things to come as a memorial of the finished work of creation *Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3 and a rest before Jews, before Israel, before Moses, before sin and before Gods' plan of salvation for sin was given to man because there was no sin. Perhaps you can show us where it says in the scriptures that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sunday worship that many practice today as a replacement of God's 4th commandment is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment that is not supported by scripture.

Bible Highlighter said:
Scripture says we cannot be justified by the Law of Moses. “And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 13:39). The Sabbath was clearly identified with the Law of Moses. For the Sabbaths were the sign of this Mosaic Covenant. "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

No one has said to you that we are justified by the law of Moses. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted earlier, obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12.

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LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
The KJV translates Strong's H4941 in the following manner: judgment (296x), manner (38x), right (18x), cause (12x), ordinance (11x), lawful (7x), order (5x), worthy (3x), fashion (3x), custom (2x), discretion (2x), law (2x), measure (2x), sentence (2x), miscellaneous (18x).
Notice that this Hebrew word is also translated into: custom, and law, too.

Your claims here are quite wrong. You have made an error in your search here from the Blue Letter Bible as your link to law is from a search of law and H4941 which simply highlights in red the scripture with the words law and Mishpat (H4941) not law linked to Mishpat or law meaning Mishpat. You will notice in your search there is only one application of Mishpat to law not two from a total of 421 applications of Mishpat. Of the (1x) application from Mishpat to law the application of law is not to anyone of God's 10 commandments but to judgement for breaking God's law which is the meaning of Mishpat. H4941 (Mishpat) which mainly means judgements of God are only in one application to law and the context of this applications is not to God's 10 commandments but to the judgements or penalty for breaking God's law for those who kill a beast or a man (see Leviticus 24:22; context is Leviticus 24:15-23) - See also definitions from Brown-Driver-Briggs linked

Bible Highlighter said:
But that’s what Colossians 2:14-16 says. Verse 14 says that Christ blotted out those ordinances that were against us. Verse 16 says not to judge us according to sabbaths, etc. and the weekly Sabbath is among the group of things called the sabbaths.

Once again you are quite wrong here continuing from what was written above in the Hebrew where the Hebrew word for "ordinances" means judgements of God, the ordinances (judgements) that were against us in Colossians 2:14 was the penalty for breaking God's law which is sin and death *Romans 6:23. It is the penalty (judgement) for sin and death that was nailed to the cross for those who receive God's forgiveness for their sins as they have faith in Christ and his death for their sins. It is the penalty (judgement) for sin that is nailed to the cross for all those who accept the gift of God's dear son (see Romans 6:23). The Greek word used for ordinances applied to judgement is δόγμα (dógma; G1378) and means a civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law that was against us. The 10 commandments were not against us sin for breaking it and the wages of sin which is death was against us and this is what Jesus nailed to the cross.

Bible Highlighter said:
James is not referring to the breaking of the Law of Moses. James is talking about the breaking of the Royal Law of love by not showing love/respect to the poor brethren and giving favor to the rich brethren instead. If they were to continue to do so, they would be breaking all of God’s laws under the New Covenant and not the Old one.

God's Word disagrees with you here. I will just post the scriptures. James 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. Of course God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin.

Bible Highlighter said:
Yes, is is true that Jesus kept the Sabbath, but He never commanded it.

Why would Jesus need to command keeping the Sabbath when God's people were already keeping the Sabbath for the past 4000 years? Jesus never said that we should not have other God's, make idols and worship them and take Gods' name in vain does that mean according to your logic here we are now free to break all the first four commandments of God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to God? Of course not. Jesus kept all of God's 10 commandments and taught us that is is the Lord of the Sabbath. That is he is the creator of the Sabbath and Heaven and earth that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14 and how to correctly keep the Sabbath the way that he intended it to be kept. This is it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath days (Matthew 12:1-12).

Bible Highlighter said:
Also, no doubt Jesus was circumcised according to the Law, but that does not mean circumcision still applies today. Paul says clearly that if you seek to be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2).

Circumcision was a "shadow law" of Moses and a physical sign of a new heart given through faith under the new covenant of God's promise of Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27 repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12. (see also Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4 and Romans 2:25-29). Circumcision is not one of God's 10 commandments. Your mixing up the "shadow law" of circumcision with God's eternal laws (10 commandments) that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Bible Highlighter said:
In Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, we are told that the Gentiles do not have to keep circumcision or the Law of Moses, but the apostles merely wanted to stress in staying away from things strangled, from blood, fornication, and idols (Acts of the Apostles 15:20). Nothing is mentioned about the Sabbath at the Jerusalem council. It is implied that the Sabbath is a part of the Law of Moses and Gentile Christians are told that they do not have to keep the Law of Moses.

Your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction to Paul. Acts 15:1-2 which is the context of the chapter says [1], And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brothers, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEN SHOULD GO TO JERUSALEM TO THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

Note: What question where did they go to Jerusalem to discuss according to the scriptures? The subject matter and the question being discussed in Jerusalem was not are Gods' 10 commandments a requirement and the standard for for Christian living but is "circumcision" a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers!

Your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthians believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is CIRCUMCISION a requirement for salvation for gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2).

Bible Highlighter said:
Again, there are more laws than the 10 in the Torah. There are 613 of them. But yes, I am not in disagreement that 9 out of the 10 laws had been repeated in the New Testament. But they are not exactly the same because there is no judgments attached to some of them that includes death by capital punishment.

Of the 613 laws in the Torah or old covenants (first five books of the bible; Genesis, Exodus; Leviticus; Deuteronomy and Numbers) most of these laws were laws for the remission of sins that included all the Levitical Priesthood laws, the laws of the earthly Sanctuary, the laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings, the annual Feast days and circumcision and supplementary moral laws to God's 10 commandment. Most of these laws were "shadow laws" pointing to the coming of Jesus as the Messiah and the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17 and Jesus as our great High Priest under the new covenant and His work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitch and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus is now not only our great High Priest that ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man but is God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (John 1:29; John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10). We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant so your argument here is a moot point as the shadow laws for remission of sins of the old covenant are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to. (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). On the other hand God's eternal law spoken by God alone *Exodus 20:1-17 and written with God's own finger being the work of God alone (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18) has the same role it always had according to the new covenant scriptures and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 7:12; 1 john 3:4 and if we break anyone of them according to James (including God's 4th commandment) we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

Bible Highlighter said:
You leave out the key verse.“For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.” (Hebrews 4:8). This means that they were not given a permanent rest and He spoke of another day. “Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest,…” (Hebrews 4:1-3). The whole point here in Hebrews is believing in the gospel and God’s grace through faith in Christ is that rest. Granted, this grace not a license to sin as many teach today, but that rest first starts when we accept Jesus as our Savior, seek forgiveness of our sins with Him, and believe that He died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation. This is the new rest! Read the beginning of Hebrews 4 in the passage above and then read what the gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is the rest that the author of Hebrews is talking about.

According to the scriptures in Hebrews 4 God's rest is defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 as the "seventh day" Sabbath from the foundation of the world.

HEBREWS 4 [1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

Note: Context is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest. The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day"). You on the other hand your trying and define Gods rest (the seventh day Sabbath) as something the scriptures are not talking about. Your providing scripture and reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach anywhere (eisegesis).

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

So then we should believe the scriptures There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Bible Highlighter said:
Sorry, I just think my Sabbatarian brothers and sisters just want to keep the Old ways like the Sabbath because that is what they want to do and it really has nothing to do with what the New Testament or New Covenant says. There is no verse in the NT that gives a command to keep the Sabbath. There is no sin of breaking the Sabbath listed among the other sins that the apostle John and Paul give us. So this fact along with Colossians 2:14-16, and Romans 14:5 lets us know the Sabbath command is not given to us in this dispensation of the New Covenant. Yes, the Sabbath day exists as a calendar day, and yes you will see people keeping the Sabbath as recorded in Scripture, but that does not equate it with being a command from God within the New Covenant. God’s people made mistakes and misunderstood the Lord many times. No Sabbath command exists in NT Scripture.But…. “No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.” (Luke 5:39).

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and the new covenant does not teach a doctrine of lawlessness (without law). According to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus unless we are born again into Gods' new covenant promise (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 35:24:27 repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12) we cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. According to the scriptures those who are born of God do not practice sin in 1 John 3:6-9 and those who say they know God while breaking God's commandments are lying and the truth is not in them in 1 John 2:3-4. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word in James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20 and Romans 14:23 and according to John the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is that the children of God do not practice sin (breaking God's commandments) in 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14 and 1 John 2:3-4. We should be careful to believe and follow what God's Word says. A gospel of lawlessness (without law) is a false gospel and one that Jesus and the apostles never taught.

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LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
#3. The Sabbath (or Sabbaths) Covenant Sign: (Mosaic Covenant):
(Made During the Time of Moses and it is no longer in effect):

The Ten Commandments was the covenant made with Moses and the Israelites (See: Exodus 34:28), and the Sabbaths were the sign of this Mosaic Covenant.

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

This claim that the Sabbath is no longer in effect is not true neither is it biblical. There is not one scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. According to the scriptures the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and sign between God and His people read on a little further in Exodus 31:16 16, Why the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH throughout their generations, FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

This is further witnessed in Isaiah 66:22-23 where it is written that the Sabbath will continue to be kept in the new earth [22], FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, WHICH I WILL MAKE, SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME, SAID THE LORD, SO SHALL YOUR SEED AND YOUR NAME REMAIN. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, SAID THE LORD.

According to the new covenant scriptures; God's Israel are no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith that are born of the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word according to Gods' new covenant promise *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 8:10-12; see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28 and Romans 2:27-28. God's Israel under the new covenant promise is now simply all those who believe and follow God's Word and this also includes Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that according to the new covenant scriptures give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172.

According to the new covenant scriptures if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. We know that Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and that there is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. The question that everyone of us will be tested on is who do we choose to believe and follow God or man?

Something to pray about.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
2. Jesus is our circumcision(i.e. Circumcision Covenant Sign) Colossians 2:11 says, "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:"

Jesus is not a circumcision and there is no scripture that says Jesus is a circumcision. Circumcision according to the scriptures is a physical sign of God's new covenant promise of a new heart by faith (see Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27 repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12. See also Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4 and Romans 2:25-29). It is Jesus that performs the circumcision of a new heart as we are born again by faith to believe and follow God's Word and walk in His Spirit *Galatians 5:16; 1 John 3:6-9; John 3:3-7 not to practice sin (breaking God's commandments) which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *1 John 3:4-9; James 2:10-11. This of course includes Gods 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

Bible Highlighter said:
3. Jesus is our sabbaths or Sabbath rest (i.e. Sabbaths Covenant Sign) Matthew 11:28 says, ""Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

Jesus is not a Sabbath according to the scriptures he is the Lord of the Sabbath day that he made for all mankind (see Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8). The only definition of Sabbath in all of God's Word is the "seventh day" of the week (see Exodus 20:10) " But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God. We receive God's rest by believing and following God's Word that includes being obedient to what God's Word says. We do not receive Gods' rest by not believing God's Word and breaking Gods commandments as it is written in Isaiah 57:20 The wicked are like the troubled sea, when it CANNOT REST, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

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LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Ephesians 2:15 says,
“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to makein himself of twain one new man, so making peace;” So the apostle Paul says that the Law of commandments were contained in ordinances. This means ordinances are commands.

God's 10 commandments are not contained in ordinances and neither are they judgements or civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws which is the Greek meaning of "ordinances" δόγμα (dógma; G1378). Your interpretation of the scriptures here to God's 10 commandments is not biblical.

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2021

What I said already said with Scripture stands.

I am not going to get in an endless debate over the Sabbath (Which is a part of the Law).
I regard that as strivings about the Law.

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain” (Titus 3:9).

We are all going to have to stand before God and explain how we interpreted Scripture to God. Did we have any bias in believing a certain belief? Are we reading the Bible trying to insert a belief into it? Or are we deriving out of the Bible what it is plainly teaching? Are we being influenced by a belief we want to be true when reading the Bible? What does the Scriptures say plainly?

For me: There are dire warnings in trying to be justified by the Old Law (Galatians 5:4). For Acts of the Apostles 13:39 says we cannot be justified by the Law of Moses. So I am not the kind of person to play games in that area. I want to follow EXACTLY what Jesus and His followers taught according to the New Covenant. No Sabbath commands exist in the NT. No sins of the breaking of the Sabbath exist in the NT. Colossians 2:14-16 read plainly can refer to the weekly Sabbath and that means the weekly Sabbath does not exist as a command any longer. Sure, it may exist as a calendar day. But not as a command. For no such language is clearly given that it is such. Then there is Acts 15, as well. Gentile Christians are not under the Laws of Moses (Which clearly involves the weekly Sabbath given to Israelites and not to the church). Biased odd interpretations bt Sabbatarian Christians on wanting to keep the Sabbath does not stand against a normal and plain reading of the New Testament on this matter. I am simple and I am not going to read a text in an unusual way to suit what they want to be true.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
What I said already said with Scripture stands.

Actually, no it doesn't and that is not true at all. You were shown why your interpretation of these scriptures in regards to God's 4th commandment Sabbath are not biblical. Please see the scriptures and contexts provided in post # 394; post # 395; post # 396; post # 397; and post # 398 linked that shows why your teachings of lawlessness (without law) and your claim that Revelation 1:10 means "the Lords day" is Sunday is not biblical.

Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish. Keep in mind here it was you that started the discussion on the Sabbath in your thread here before I came here. Also, as posted earlier everything posted here is on topic to the OP because there is no where in the scriptures that teach that Sunday is "the Lords day" while the scriptures teach the Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:8 so according to the scriptures "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day not Sunday. One has to go outside of the bible to come up with that understanding which is not biblical. Of course you are free to believe as you wish but please do not tell us we are going off topic to the OP when the bible teaches that God's 4th commandment is "the Lords day". The discussion is on topic to the OP but it seems you do not want to discuss it now. If you do not want to continue the discussion just say so. I am sure we both have better things to do with our time.

BTW you may also want to re-visit your interpretation and understanding of Titus 3:9 it is not talking about discussing God's 10 commandment. If that were true it would not be discussed by God, Jesus, the Apostles and the prophets all through the old and new testament scriptures in the bible. Titus 3:9 says [9], But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:9 the word law used here is νομικός ; nomikos (G3544) which means ceremonial laws. So the scripture says to avoid foolish questions in relation to tracing generations [Geneologies] and having contentions about the ceremonial laws that are unprofitable.

Also, let's make this absolutely clear, not one person has said to you anywhere that we are justified by keeping the law so please do not pretend that they have. As posted to you earlier; according to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted earlier, obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12. Now what is it here in the scriptures shared with you that you disagree with?

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The Lord's Day is Sunday.

What day do you believe is the “Lord's Day” in Revelation 1:10?

Sunday

Saturday

Some other day of the week

It's not talking about a day of the week

Other (Please explain)

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