Galatians 3 - shows New Covenant Gospel is before Sinai

BobRyan said:

no doubt there was no nation-covenant before Sinai - but is it also true that "taking God's name in vain" was not a sin before Sinai?

Clearly the TEN as included in the moral law of God - were there all along. A almost all Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath topic will admit.

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Here is the Sabbath apart from the weekly Sabbath.
De 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
They had already been given the seventh day rest.
The rest in their inheritance. the tribes given land on the other side of the Jordon by Moses....Cannot "rest" in their inheritance until their brethren also enter
Deuteronomy 3:18 And I commanded you at that time, saying, The LORD your God hath given you this land to possess it: ye shall pass over armed before your brethren the children of Israel, all that are meet for the war. {meet … : Heb. sons of power }
19 But your wives, and your little ones, and your cattle, (for I know that ye have much cattle,) shall abide in your cities which I have given you;
20 Until the LORD have given rest unto your brethren, as well as unto you, and until they also possess the land which the LORD your God hath given them beyond Jordan: and then shall ye return every man unto his possession, which I have given you.

The "rest" to the other tribes by Joshua.

Jos 22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. {Jesus: that is, Joshua }

Similarly spoken of here
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. {provided: or, foreseen }

BobRyan said:

If you take the time to read them you find that reference the New Covenant feature of the "Law of God written on the heart"...

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Westminster Confession of Faith


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God



I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.

VII. Neither are the fore mentioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.


(emphasis by bold text is mine)


from www.reformed.org/documents


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BobRyan said:

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation....

VII. Neither are the fore mentioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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The Law of God - Baptist Confession of Faith: Section 19

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances.

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You have never explained how Adam could commit adultery, or how Adam could honor his mother.


We are still waiting for you to show us the words "New Covenant" in these man-made confessions.


Anyone who bases their Bible doctrine on a man-made confession has revealed their doctrine for what it really is.



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BobRyan said:

Where we see the New Covenant promise of the LAW written on the heart - - in the Baptist Confession of Faith?

I think we did see what you think we did not see.

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If you can find the words "New Covenant" in the Westminster Confession or the 1689 LBCF, you must have a great imagination, because the words are not there.

We are still waiting on you to explain how Adam could have committed adultery, and how Adam could honor his mother.

We are also still waiting on you to make your Profile Page available for others to view.
Are you being paid by the Adventists?

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BobRyan said:

There are not therefore two covenants of grace differing in substance, but one and the same under various dispensations.s

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Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.




Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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BobRyan said:

If you can find "the Law written on the heart" for someone not under the New Covenant you must have a great imagination.

If you can't find "the Law written on the heart" in Jer 31:31-34 and Heb 8:6-12 under the New Covenant - again a very active imagination.

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The New Testament of the bible reveals and fulfills what is in the Old Testament. True or False?
Heb 8 and 10 tells us that God will write His laws on the hearts, not law (singular). Does that specify the ten commandments? Your commentary tend to establish that only the ten commandments will be written on the hearts. We disagree.

You're not saying what is written in the NT. If you did, you woulc understand that God will tailor exclusive commands on every heart. (Not the 1-size-fit-all 10.com)
Heb 8:10

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

You'd rather quote a prophecy from Jeremiah rather than what the Holy Spirit reveals in the NT because your commentary needs the Old Covenant perspective.

Cribstyl said:

The New Testament of the bible reveals and fulfills what is in the Old Testament. True or False?
Heb 8 and 10 tells us that God will write His laws on the hearts, not law (singular). Does that specify the ten commandments? Your commentary tend to establish that only the ten commandments will be written on the hearts. We disagree.

You're not saying what is written in the NT. If you did, you woulc understand that God will tailor exclusive commands on every heart. (Not the 1-size-fit-all 10.com)
Heb 8:10

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

You'd rather quote a prophecy from Jeremiah rather than what the Holy Spirit reveals in the NT because your commentary needs the Old Covenant perspective.

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It's all of God's laws which of course would include the laws that God personally wrote with His own Finger and placed in the Most Holy of His Temple. This of course includes the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 the 4th commandment that God told us to "REMEMBER" knowing many would forget and follow traditions over God's commandments, the exact thing Jesus warned us about Matthew 15:3-9

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, (how can you possibly argue the Lord's day is the first day when this makes it so clear which is the Lords day)

SabbathBlessings said:

It's all of God's laws which of course would include the laws that God personally wrote with His own Finger and placed in the Most Holy of His Temple. This of course includes the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 the 4th commandment that God told us to "REMEMBER" knowing many would forget and follow traditions over God's commandments, the exact thing Jesus warned us about Matthew 15:3-9

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, (how can you possibly argue the Lord's day is the first day when this makes it so clear which is the Lords day)

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Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


This thread is supposed to be about what Paul wrote in the Book of Galatians.
Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in the passage above.

Paul said the Law of Moses was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
This is what the Bible says.

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BobRyan said:

Gal 3 shows that the old covenant contract was in the form 'obey and live' (just as we see for Adam in Gen 2) - and this is contrasted with the Gospel in Gal 3.

Gal 3:
10 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us

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Sounds like you are in opposition to the beliefs of your church Bob. We all know by now that the revered prophet wrote that if we don't keep the ritual Sabbath of that old covenant we will loose our eternal inheritance. That is without a doubt telling the flock if they stop being faithful members by not doing the Sabbath works of the old covenant law, Jesus cannot cover for them.

Bob S said:

We all know by now that the revered prophet wrote that if we don't keep the ritual Sabbath of that old covenant we will loose our eternal inheritance.

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Brother, the same inspiration that spoke through her spoke through Paul in the following passage from our Bibles.


It is through Paul that God calls us, in the new covenant, to keep the true Sabbath of God rescued from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna! They kept a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning, which was right in Eden, but not near the Promised Land. When they reached the Promised Land, they switched to a Sabbath from evening to evening, which is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of creation. Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".




United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

HARK! said:

Yahshua takes away our sin, lawlessness. He doesn't take away, obedience to the Torah, obedience to our Father, the message of his entire ministry.

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Those who really understand the New Covenant are not advocates of "lawlessness".


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but we are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.

Murder, lying, drunkenness, fornication, etc. will always be sin.

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guevaraj said:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)

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If you read the rest of the passage above you will find the Gospel, which is not about keeping a day of the week.

Based on Colossians 2:16-17, Christ is now our Sabbath rest.

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